Sprinter Q. & A. time again

rolling force

Expert Expediter
I've been shopping for Sprinters in the Toronto area and am dismayed with what I'm seeing. The salesmen don't have a clue about the vehicle, the prices are steep, yet they're very eager to get me to sign on the dotted line. How do they expect someone to buy such an expensive vehicle when they can't answer a third of your questions?

Question is, where can a knowledgable dealer with a good price on the big Sprinter Cargo be found? Doesn't matter what side of the border.

Also, how are you guys making out with the different axle ratios (4.11 vs 3.79). There must be trade offs on both sides but I'm wondering what the best overall setup would be.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
 

rolling force

Expert Expediter
Thanks for the tip Jeff.

I called Grieger. Brad wasn't there so they passed me to a guy named Chuck. He seems like a nice guy.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Rolling:

You indicated you could buy a sprinter in the USA. Would you have to pay sales tax in the States and again in Canada? Would you also have to pay the equivalent GST to Canada for imported US goods?

Just curious. Terry
 

RobA

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
>Rolling:
>
>You indicated you could buy a sprinter in the USA. Would
>you have to pay sales tax in the States and again in Canada?
> Would you also have to pay the equivalent GST to Canada for
>imported US goods?
>
>Just curious. Terry


1- US state tax? Not sure, maybe there would be a refund if the vehicle is exported.
2- Sales Tax-Yes-Ontario 8% tax would be payable
3- GST-Resounding Yes!!!!!!!

Also it would have to be modified to meet Transport Canada standards.
Speedo in Kilometers etc.
If you buy in the USA make sure you make arrangements through a qualified vehicle forwarder who knows all the arrangements to make.
It can be done; but it's not simple.

Rolling: Did you check with Freightliner Mid-Ontario or Ontario Sterling?
Did they not have any information?
 

rolling force

Expert Expediter
Hi Terry,

In addition to those 2 taxes, you have a AC tax and a weight tax if the vehicle is over approx. 2200kg. Those are minor. There is an additional 6.1% import tax if the vehicle is built outside North America. Still not sure if the Sprinter falls into that category, waiting for answer on that. Even with all these fees, purchase is still cheaper from US. There is no US tax when it is for export.

Rob, I haven't checked those guys out but maybe I will. Overall I'm frustrated with the Canadian dealer I've been to. Thanks for the tip.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Not sure about everywhere but here in Texas sales tax isn't charged if the buyer has documentation to prove an address outside the state. The outside taxing authority is called and the correct amount of tax for them is collected and forwarded instead, at least on cars when I was selling them.

Leo
truck 4958

Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

rolling force

Expert Expediter
Hello folks,

I was informed by Chuck from Grieger motors yesterday that Chrysler does not allow export of Sprinters to Canada.

Too bad..:-(
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Have you checked with a Freightliner dealer also? Perhaps it's a Chrysler policy that doesn't affect the Freightliner version.

Leo
truck 4958

Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

rolling force

Expert Expediter
Hi LDB,

I did not check with Freightliner. I assumed that since Chrysler owns them too the same rules would apply. Guess they are protecting the Canadian dealers as the prices are quite a bit cheaper south of the border.

I should check it out though, you never know.
 

riteguy

Expert Expediter
You might want to reconsider your purchase of a Sprinter. Here has been my experience in the past 11 months of ownership......

May 16, 2005

2004 Sprinter 2500 SHC
158” Wheelbase
GVW 8550 lbs
102” High Roof Version/Inside Height 73”
Total Max Payload 3728 lbs
Mercedes 600 2.7 liter turbocharged 5-cyl diesel engine
154 HP @ 3800 rpm
243 lb-ft torque @1,600 – 2,400 rpm
CDI Fuel Injection
Mercedes-Benz 5-speed automatic transmission w/overdrive
Power assisted rack and pinon steering
4-wheel hydraulic discs brakes with ABS, traction control, auto load sensing

Ordered Mar 2004 Union Dodge, Garden Grove
Delivered Jun 2004 John Peterson
Outfitted Jun – Sep 2004 J & M Fabrication/Stanton
In Service – Sep 2004 Drain-Rite Plumbing

Good Points
•Great visibility out of front window
•Very roomy – room to standup in the back
•Great gas mileage – 18 city/21 hwy (actual)
•Turning radius – made a tighter turn than a small pickup truck
•Union Dodge of Garden Grove Service department has done a good job in most instances of taking care of downtimes in a speedy manner, thanks to Lynette.

Bad Points
•Brakes growl due to semi-metalic pads
•Poor road tracking during high winds
•Car manual poorly written
•Customer service via their 800 helpline is a poor excuse for customer service.
•I’ve been asked to take 2 different market surveys on how I like the Sprinter for a pretty good sum of money. If Daimler/Chrysler would just sink that money into satisfying existing customers and let them tell their story, I think they would get more for their money.
•No Sprinter parts are stocked locally by dealer, which means that almost every part must be shipped in.
•No tilt steering wheel – the Germans feel it’s better to tilt the drivers seat. There are certain locations the seat goes that make the drivers side mirror unusable.
•At least 11 times within one year that this van had to be taken out of service for repairs that should not have been necessary.
•Max speed is 80 mph indicated/75 mph actual.
•Feel that Daimler/Chrysler corporate isn’t handling the support of the Sprinter the way they should. Is it a Freightliner, a Mercedes, or a Dodge?

History (Mileage listed first)
•0050 – EGR valve failure – vehicle would limp around at no more than 40 mph. Daimler/Chrysler knew of the problem, but would not replace it until the unit failed. Glad I wasn’t on a road trip!!
•0174 – Replace broken front grill & license plate holder. Dirt debris noticed in both rear sealed tail lights – no fix available at this time.
•1964 – Brakes growling – unable to duplicate for technician. Buzzing in cab – buzzing was EGR valve which had been recalled – replace 2nd EGR valve.
•0220 – Drivers side mirror won’t tilt back far enough to see behind van – no fix is available. Check engine light came on – found an unplugged sensor.
•2714 – Brakes growling – unable to duplicate noise for technician. Transmission leak – Replaced 3 “O” rings on trans drain plug.
•3927 – Right rear door top right hinge broken making access to the back of the van impossible – Replace. Brakes growling and noticed by mechanic. Ordered rotors, pads & sensors for front brakes.
•4421 – Replace front brakes – growling eliminated. Speedometer error. Noticed that GPS and road side radar indicating slower speed than my speedometer – technician determined it was within 6% margin of error allowed by federal government and no change was necessary. I believe the actual error is between 5-6%. No adjustment is available.
•6496 – Red oil warning light on instrument panel illuminated – discovered in the manual that diesel oil usage is normal at a rate of .5% fuel consumption. Add diesel oil. Brakes growling again – per Starline this is normal for semi-metallic brake pads. Valve stem recall – replace valve stem in all tires.
•7118 – A/C hose rupture. Low pressure s.o.p. a/c hose found to be rubbing on radiator supports causing hose to rupture. Replaced left/right rear tail light housing assemblies collecting debris.
•8426 – Right rear door top right hinge broken – 2nd time – making access to the back of the van impossible – replace.
•9008 – Battery dies. Found to be putting out 60 Cold Cranking Amps –new battery is rated at 875 Cold Cranking Amps. Replace white top battery.

I hate Daimler/Chrysler/Mercedes/Dodge attitude when they respond to some of my complaints by saying, "That's just the way it is, there is no fix, it is operating as designed!" The Germans, who apparently sit at the other end of "Starline", the dealers answerline when questions come up, don't seem to understand our desire to have brakes that don't squeal and mirrors that will accomodate seeing behind the vehicle. Apparently Europeans just accept the manufacturers answer and live with.

The dealer has been super in trying to keep the thing running. But, this vehicle has only been avalable in California for 18 months, and dealers don't know much about them and are still learning.
 

hoosierjeep

Expert Expediter
As far as exporting to Canada:

Chrysler requires that any new car sold be titled to a United States Address. It could be a port of entry, a PO Box, some sort of addres that could be registered to you.

Hope this clears up some questions. But Chuck was right in saying they can not 'export' them to Canada.....part of a dealer agreement!

Thanks
 
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