Specin' a trk

mouse549

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
This forum has been very helpful for me in the past, & I'm thankful to you all.

Now, in about 6mts, I would like to buy a truck however I know nothing of what kind of engine, trans, air or springs, auto/manual, tires, etc...
Is there some place or some advice you can give about this??

thanx
Mouse
 

paperback1

Expert Expediter
hey mouse long time no talk! don't get a cat3126 or anything that has a spicer tranny, they suck. maybe weave can help you out on getting the best engine and trans, he seems to know a lot about it. i like detroit or cummins with eaton trans, good luck:+
 

Larry

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
There are a lot of used trucks on the market and with a little patience you should be able to get a pretty good deal.

It has been recently suggested that a forum on this web set be set up to discuss the mechanical questions that frequently arise. Your question is a perfect example of the type of information that the new forum could handle. Hopefully all of the mechanical related questions that have been discussed the past year or so could be pulled together so that drivers could go to one spot and review.

Now back to your question. I agree with the above comments about staying away from the Spicer tranny. As far as the Cat 3126, it is probably the most common engine to be found out there - most FL 70's have this engine. In the short run, the engine will be in the cheapest trucks available. In the long run, this could be the most expensive truck on the market. I have not heard of anyone that has over 600,000 miles on the engine and the replacement cost is about $15,000 plus lost time. If possible, you should probably avoid this engine.

Good luck and Drive Safe.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Just today I talked with a Freightliner Tech Rep (1-800-385-4357) on their Hot Line. We chatted about my minor problem and then got into Engines.I mentioned about all of the problems you hear about the Cat 3126.He said that engine is fine for what the truck is designed to do. It is truly a local or regional delivery truck and 45-50,000 miles per year is what the truck and Cat are set up to do.I mentioned in our business we all do anywhere from 75 to 125 K per year and need a rugged reliable power train.He said"Well go with Cummins". My present Cummins C series has 655,000 on it,I don!t think any Cat 3126 could do that. So if you see that Yellow Block be carefull..
 

Weave

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Charter Member
I would have to say for a class 7 truck the Cummins ISC 8.3 is the best thing out there. It is a medium displacement wet sleeved engine that has proven itself to be worthy of both city and highway use, gets good mileage, and is inexpensive to repair and rebuild. There have been some problems with early ISC injector pumps, but I think Cummins has these issues solved. It is strange that the ISC still uses a separate pump-line-injector setup, where most diesels now use unit injectors, but as long as it works it doesn't matter.
Another good class 7 engine is the DDC series 50. It is a 4 cylinder version of the proven S60, but unfortunately is has only been available in the Freightliner FL106.
For class 7 Internationals, the DT466 has a really good reputation. It's a wet sleever too. It's tough, but many feel it lacks power.
I do not recommend parent bore CAT 3126's or Cummins ISB 5.9's for expedite highway truck use, and have not seen too many Isuzu or Mitsubishi diesels last too long under highway use either. But I will say the ISB is probably the strongest parent bore diesel in the world.
For a class 8 expedite truck, pretty much anything goes..CAT C10-12-15, Cummins ISM,ISX, DDC S60, any Mack, etc.. all are powerful and last a long time with proper care. I don't know of any big truck engine that has a reputation as a lemon.
As far as trannies go, the only horrible one I know of is the Spicer 7 speed job. That thing blew- literally! If you ever get the chance to see one and how physically small it is you'll understand why. Some of them actually threw parts right through the outer casing when they decintigrated. If you want a syncro, stick to the Eaton 6 speeds. They are tough.`I beat the hell out of the one in my old FL70 and it never had to be pulled for any service it required.
For class 8 non-synchros, I think Eaton/Fullers shift smoother than Rockwell/Meritors do, but they are both tough units. I don't have any personal ownership experience with the automatics.
-Weave-
 

teacel

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Weave!
While we are on the subject of mechanicals. I have a question, or would like you opinion on the vans? Chevy/GMC 1 ton 3500 cargo van. What are some of the problem areas or weak points on this van? I'm running Mobil 1 synthetic oil. What is a good mileage range for oil changes? Can you give me any other preventive maintenance tips? Thanks Tony
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Those are the best gas vans out there. If it has the 350/5.7 and you are using synthetic and changing it every 7500 miles, the engine should go half a million at least. Their trannnies generally last 350-400k before needing to be rebulit, which is great for automatics. Short of a few isolated minor electrical and driveline shimmy problems, I don't know of any serious problems that have been occuring with the big GM vans, and they don't require any special maintenance short of what GM calls for. They are quite comfy too- I could drive one straight from NY to FLA. I also know a guy who brought his 3500 to a spring shop and had some additional leaves put on the rear to up the capacity, and there are many aftermarket mods for the MFI GM 350 to up its power, so the van is very versatile.
-Weave-
 

Marty

Veteran Expediter
Hi Weave,
What do you think about Mercedes diesels? A mechanic at Hans Freightliner told me that they are experiencing the least amount of trouble with those engines.
 

geo

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Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
I WOULD GO WITH A CLASS 8 TRUCK, AS WITH CLASS 7 TRUCK YOU ARE USING A CITY TRUCK TO DO A ROAD JOB, IF YOU ARE A SINGLE DRIVER THEY ARE OK BECAUSE YOU PUT HALF THE MILES A TEAM PUT'S ON,
BUT IF YOUR GOING TO TEAM IT GET A TRUCK THAT IS FOR THE ROAD,
GIVE BILL MOORE A CALL AT TSI 800 388 3850, HAVE A WESTERN STAR FROM THE FACTORY TO RUN WITH, THEY MAINLY COME IN D UNITS I HAVE ONLY C UNIT UNIT THAT I KNOW OF IN ANY FLEET, IT RIDES GOOD, SLEEP IN IT GOING DOWN THE ROAD IN THE SLEEPER, AND SLEEPER WAS PUT ON AT THE FACTORY SO THERE IS NOT AS MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SLEEEPER LEAKING
LIKE SOME OF THEM DO. ALSO PUT A GENSET ON THE TRUCK AND THAT WILL SAME YOU MONEY ON FUEL AND TICKETS IN NEW YORK AND NEW ENGLAND
AS THEY ARE STARTING TO WRITE TICKETS FOR IDLING THE ENGINE.
IF ' S NOT A STAR IT' S NOT A TRUCK
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
As you might know Mercedes and Detroit Diesel are now under one roof "Diamler Chrysler Powersystems." Yes, Roger Penske still has the controlling shares of this division though, I believe.
Mercedes has always made great diesel engines, and I think the little MBE900 can edge out the Cummins ISB in many aspects for a parent bore engine, but it does cost a lot more. The big MBE4000 is an alternative to the Series 60 in class 8 Freightliners, and it's quieter and smoother plus lighter than the S60, but here again, costs a lot more. Only time is going to tell if these Mercedes mills are going to wind up the winners. I personally feel they are going to be too expensive in the end to rebuild and repair when that time comes (It always does) and that will not win over fleet managers. It's kind of the same reason the Mercedes trucks, however good they were, didn't really catch on here in the USA the first time around.
We shall see.
-Weave-
 
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