So whats the industry to do?

Broompilot · Nov 19, 2006

I was afraid that the Hinos might begin a reputation like this. I toured another drivers Hino last Easter. He was already expierencing a few problems but most seem to be with the Build over to Expedite.

I personally was not impressed for the $. To many things put together cheaply is the only way I can describe it. He was loving the truck though, so that was a positive mark. He was very impressed with the T-3 I had especially when comparing Suspensions, sleeper etc....

There were some things I would have given it a high mark on so for those of you who might be thinking I think I have the perfect truck, well I do not, but if it can keep running it suites me just fine.

I have been suffering from a bad case of Injectors lately and also not being able to determine what is the cause of the problem. If we all begin facing this with class 7 engines it makes me a little nervious as to the future of the industry, and more yet whats gona happen with every engine beginning in January when they all have the new Enviornment Regulations Stuck to them. The Dealers are very worried, the Engine MFGS seem to be brushing the problem off. This will include small, medium, and the large Diesel Engines.

You know you go to KW they determine a problem, try to fix, fix and fix and no luck, so now the Engine MFG gets involved and tries to find excuses as to not finding the real source of the problem and blames the dealer back. Could be International, Freightliner etc... just making the point. Hopefully my problems are now behind me, but I do not think so the creditibility stinks out there from what I have seen in the last two weeks and it just seems to be getting worst the longer I waited the more I observed problems not just mine but many others.

Now back to the first paragraph, what has impressed me by KW dealers is they have gone to great extremes and expense to get me going and keep me happy. Happy NO, satisfied they tried above and beyond YES. With that said I am glad to at least have a MFG behind me that cares about its customers. From the comments by Hino Poster I would not be sleeping well at all if his problems were in my new truck.

ATeam · Nov 19, 2006

>You know you go to KW they determine a problem, try to fix,
>fix and fix and no luck, so now the Engine MFG gets involved
>and tries to find excuses as to not finding the real source
>of the problem and blames the dealer back. Could be
>International, Freightliner etc... just making the point.

That is exactly the reason we put a Volvo engine in our Volvo truck instead of the Cummins option. With just 60,000 miles on the truck, we have had no engines problems so far. But if we do, we will avoid getting caught between two manufacturers trying to pass the buck to each other. What we've seen so far from Volvo service has been great.

Broompilot · Nov 19, 2006

I do believe you did the right thing now. A year ago I would have felt different.

Watch for a miss or engine shaking at stops, indicator that an injector is failing. Might smooth out for 10-20K than it might really just die in there.

I now have all new or newer injectors in the truck, but I just feel this is a temp fix as with the computers etc... and as fine tuned as these engines are there is just no leway for error or compensation. A mechanic I am not, but when my truck is not perfect I KNOW.

I doubt any engine mfg is gona scoot around this one were all gona expierence the problem sooner or later, Cat, Volvo, etc...

I to went well over 100K before my first problem, and another 150 since than, so in one way I should be greatfull. If I can go another 250 than it will all be worth it but before than ouch its gona cost me next time around.

And sellin the truck is not an option I care to exersize at this time.

Moot · Nov 19, 2006

Broom, do you use a fuel additive with a lubricating agent every time you fuel. I haven't even seen a diesel engine in 10 years but I hear that this reformulated fuel is hard on injectors and pumps.

dieselphreak2K · Nov 20, 2006

I will say, that if anyone has an 8.3 Cummins, be prepared to replace your transfer pump. The low sulfur causes a nitrile gasket between the pump and body to shrink, causing a leak. The new pumps wont fail with ULSD, but you cannot buy the gasket alone. Thats right from Cummins, as I drove a shop van up to the cummins shop when my pump gave in at Madison, WI.

Mudflap · Nov 21, 2006

The pump-line-injector Cummins ISC 8.3's have a well known troublesome fuel system. The engine was switched to unit injectors last year. I can't offer up any advice to make the old CAPS system more reliable. Put over 700k on my Series 50 Detroit 4 cylinder and never replaced a single injector, and went with Series 60 in my new truck as opposed to the Mercedes engine they were pushing, Detroits are a breeze to find parts and service for, and run like champs with great MPG. New Columbia is getting the expected 9.5 MPG.

I've been down both roads- go class 8 truck for expediting, you won't go wrong. Not so much what the industry is to do, but what the long term expediter needs to do if they want to stay alive. Mudflap

kwexpress · Nov 21, 2006

KW Express
o/o till i die

Muflap is correct you cant beat detroit.I have a series 60 in a 94 volvo class 8 its over a million miles now and I had a dyno on it and its still putting over 400 hp to the ground.the only repair I have had on the engine was a fan clutch.and yes the fuel mileage is over 9 even with 10 tires.

I think a class 8 volvo cant be beat for long term use.