Smoke this one over.

layoutshooter

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Not legalize, decriminalize.

The problem is that prohibition does not work. It did not work with booze and is not, and will never work, with drugs. People are going to do what they want and WILL commit crimes if they want too do that bad enough.

That is just ONE of the things that the anti-gun people cannot figure out. All outlawing guns will do is create more criminals, more crime and more deaths.

I don't know the solution. I do know one thing, what we are doing know is not working.
 

scottm4211

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I could link 80000 stories about drunk drivers but I'm eating toast right now....
 

Doggie Daddy

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It's okay to put a baby on a car roof, heck Mitt Romney had his dog up there for a whole vacation.

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layoutshooter

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It's okay to put a baby on a car roof, heck Mitt Romney had his dog up there for a whole vacation.

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Barrak ate his dog.

Strange idea, there just may be a HUGE difference between a baby and a dog. Babies are HUMAN BEINGS, dogs are not. There is no comparison.
 

Turtle

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Barrak ate his dog.

Strange idea, there just may be a HUGE difference between a baby and a dog. Babies are HUMAN BEINGS, dogs are not. There is no comparison.

Uhm, like, uhm, in order to know there is a difference between a baby and a dog, like, uhm, you know, wouldn't you have to make some sort of comparison between them? Otherwise, how would you know? You know?

On a related note...
"It appears the suspect put the baby on the roof of the car and drove off, forgetting he was still on the roof," Holmes said in a written statement.
I don't think that's ever happened before.
 

layoutshooter

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"Uhm, like, uhm, in order to know there is a difference between a baby and a dog, like, uhm, you know, wouldn't you have to make some sort of comparison between them? Otherwise, how would you know? You know?"



I meant a comparison between which is a worse act. Leaving a baby or a dog on a car roof. Never mind. It's spin time again.
 

EnglishLady

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All I can say is that the baby is in safer hands now!

A new mother and all she can think about is drugs, booze - disgusting.
 

layoutshooter

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In the hands of its drunken. drugged up mother !!

I doubt if there is all that much difference between a drunken, drugged up mother OR the State "child protection" system. Neither has a very good track record. I don't know but it would not surprise me that the mother and or father of that child is a product of the "system".
 

Turtle

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In the hands of its drunken. drugged up mother !!
Yes, exactly, it's mother. Mothers have been known to make mistakes with their children. But the bottom line is it's the mother's child to raise as she pleases, mistakes and all. It's nobody else's business. Golden Rule. If you're OK with taking away someone else's liberty and freedom simply on the basis that you want to do it, then you must be OK with others taking away your rights and liberties simply because they want to. If children got taken away from their parents every time their parents got drunk and made an impaired decision, few children would be with their parents.
 

EnglishLady

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Yes, exactly, it's mother. Mothers have been known to make mistakes with their children. But the bottom line is it's the mother's child to raise as she pleases, mistakes and all. It's nobody else's business. Golden Rule. If you're OK with taking away someone else's liberty and freedom simply on the basis that you want to do it, then you must be OK with others taking away your rights and liberties simply because they want to. If children got taken away from their parents every time their parents got drunk and made an impaired decision, few children would be with their parents.


IMO .... the mother gave up her rights as soon as she drove off with her baby on top of the car!

Negligence and endangering the life of her child is hardly her right to raise her (or anyone's) chid as she pleases now is it.
 

layoutshooter

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IMO .... the mother gave up her rights as soon as she drove off with her baby on top of the car!

Negligence and endangering the life of her child is hardly her right to raise her (or anyone's) chid as she pleases now is it.

She is scum. Unfortunately, so is the State system.

I spent almost 3 years working in a youth prison. The overwhelming majority of my charges came from either mothers/fathers who were druggies or drunks, and/or out of the state system.

As Turtle said, if we took kids away from parents who did stupid stuff, no kids would be with their parents.

I would give this "thing" that calls herself a 'mother' ONE more chance, then, put the kid up for adoption. I would avoid the state system like it was small pox.
 

chefdennis

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IMO .... the mother gave up her rights as soon as she drove off with her baby on top of the car!

Negligence and endangering the life of her child is hardly her right to raise her (or anyone's) chid as she pleases now is it.

There have been more then a few storys of parents doing this exact thing and they were stone cold sboer and not on drugs not impaired in anyway...they sat the child in the car carrier on the roof to unlock the car..had alot on their mind, reached to put soething that was in the hand in the car, got in and drove off...

They should have their child taken away as in this case by the worthless state run child protection services to ignore and hand over to someone who collect kids like the check each month???

Nope, sorry....
 
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EnglishLady

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There have been more then a few storys of parents doing this exact thing and they were stone cold sboer and not on drugs not impaired in anyway...they sat the child in the car carrier on the roof to unlock the car..had alot on their mind, reached to put soething that was in the hand in the car, got in and drove off...

They should have their child taken away as in this case by the worthless state run child protection services to ignore and hand over to someone who collect kids like the check each month???

Nope, sorry....



Sorry Dennis I don't agree.

A woman with a 5 week old baby shouldn't be out looking for beer and most certainly shouldn't be smoking pot.
She was recklessly and KNOWINGLY endangering her baby's life - even without him being on top of the car.
 

Turtle

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Negligence and endangering the life of her child is hardly her right to raise her (or anyone's) chid as she pleases now is it.
Yes it is her child to raise as she pleases. It is, afterall, HER child. She can teach her child one particular religion, or no religion at all. She can teach the child to swim, or to be deathly afraid of the water. She can be a helicopter parent, or leave the child alone. She can do whatever she wants, it's HER child. It's HER business. Not anyone else's.

And before you ask, the answer will be YES to any ridiculous, absurd, or extreme "Well, what about....?" questions. It's her child, her business.
 

EnglishLady

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Yes it is her child to raise as she pleases. It is, afterall, HER child. She can teach her child one particular religion, or no religion at all. She can teach the child to swim, or to be deathly afraid of the water. She can be a helicopter parent, or leave the child alone. She can do whatever she wants, it's HER child. It's HER business. Not anyone else's.

And before you ask, the answer will be YES to any ridiculous, absurd, or extreme "Well, what about....?" questions. It's her child, her business.


Oh so thats it?

I'm not allowed to say anything else?

Tough!

People who endanger children belong in prison. What you stated above was not in line with this story.
 
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