Sign of the times?

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I cannot even imagine having to ASK people to help with a problem during a natural disaster. The very idea that "officials" have to ASK people to pick up a snow shovel and help is sad beyond belief. Having to offer to PAY them is even worse.

What ever happened to pitching in for the common good? I highlighted a line that is very telling. It would seem that government is responsible for GIVING people a sense of "community" and "pride".

I have often lived in small towns. We provided our own fire and ambulance services. When there were storms just about every able bodied person chipped in to help with the clean up.

What is it with "urban dwellers"? Are they really as lazy, stupid or as useless as many appear? Why wait to be asked? Get off your sorry butts and do it yourself. Are they that conditioned to being cared for by government? If so, how sad is that?

On top of it all, just how many people are on welfare I or II in that area? For those who don't understand welfare II it's known to some as "extended unemployment". Why are not all able bodies people on those programs being handed an shovel and put to work for the money they are given?

Please don't insult me by saying there is just too much snow to move by hand. I have spent far too many hours on the fire line cutting lines. Each person, one swipe with a tool, one step to the side, repeat. Miles of line can be cut that way in very short order by very few people.

Please don't insult me by saying that they don't have time. Bull hockey. What makes THEIR time any more or less valuable than those country folks who handle it on their own. They all have families and jobs. They, however, take responsibility for their own communities.



Snow-buried communities seek help from residents





BOSTON (AP) -- With schools still closed, cars still buried and streets still blocked by the widespread weekend snowstorm, officials around southern New England are asking people to pick up a shovel and help out.

In Boston, a "snow angel" campaign is using social media to encourage neighbors and friends to be an angel and help dig out the stranded.
Hundreds of volunteers carried shovels to downtown Waterbury, Conn., after the mayor promised to pay minimum wage to anyone who helped clear the City Hall area and the schools Tuesday.

In Rhode Island, dozens of volunteers responded to a call by the volunteer advocacy group Serve Rhode Island to help clear snow.
Pedro Gonzalez of Cranston, R.I., had done three shoveling jobs for elderly residents by mid-afternoon Tuesday, fueled only by a few sports drinks and the satisfaction he said the work gives him.
"You feel full, you know?" he said, speaking after his most recent job in Providence. "You feel real good and you sleep better."

The snowfall Friday and Saturday buried the region in 1 to 3 feet of snow, and communities still are struggling to get back to normal.
The storm, blamed for at least 18 deaths across the U.S. and Canada, caused flooding that forced coastal evacuations in Massahusetts and carried high winds that downed trees and power lines.

By early Wednesday, more than 6,800 utility customers still were without power, including 5,539 in Massachusetts, which was hardest hit with outages. More than 650,000 homes and businesses in eight states were without electricity at one point.

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino's office has encouraged neighbors to help out neighbors after other storms, but this time it's using social media to create a "buzz" and spread the word more broadly, said Emily Shea, the city's Elderly Affairs commissioner.

Shea said most people who call the mayor's hotline for help clearing snow end up figuring things out themselves. But others don't, and the snow angel campaign aims to make sure they aren't forgotten.
"We're still just a couple days after the storm, and we still want to make sure folks are looking out for each other," she said.

The new workforce in Waterbury was formed after Mayor Neil O'Leary took a friend's suggestion to hire kids who are off from school — and possibly getting bored — to clear out City Hall and the schools, which are closed at least until Wednesday.

O'Leary put the word out, offering Connecticut's $8.25 hourly minimum wage. He said about 500 people, most between ages 14 and 18 with some adults mixed in, showed up at City Hall at noon Tuesday.
The offer is good again Wednesday, and O'Leary figures the workers will cost the city about $50,000. But he hopes the teens will get more than money in return, he said.

"We're giving them a little sense of community, a sense of pride," O'Leary said.

The Providence volunteers were rounded up by Serve Rhode Island in partnership with the United Way. The group recently deployed hundreds of people to help with Rhode Island's Superstorm Sandy cleanup, so it had a list of possible volunteers to alert. It also requested snow-clearing volunteers on its website.

Share Rhode Island Executive Director Bernie Beaudreau said the group has had some worries over whether people would pose as volunteers and victimize those they were supposed to help. But he said the much larger Sandy operation went well and he expected no problems this time.

"We're banking on the good will of others," he said,
Gonzalez, 40, said he's anticipating some aches for his efforts, but added he's glad to offer his time.

"Personally, I really love it," said Gonzalez, who helps manage his family's convenience store. "I believe that a blessing is useless if you don't share it."










Snow-buried communities seek help from residents - Yahoo! News
 
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zorry

Veteran Expediter
I moved from the Chicago area to a town of 700 people.
After a large snow I noticed a large John Deere tractor doing my large driveway.
He was gone before I got out to talk to him.
I searched him out and it was just a farmer helpin folks out.

I don't think I'll ever move back to a big city.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
My question to them would be, "Is it working for you?" The next thing is they are going to ask the taxpayers to cover their costs. Those same taxpayer that clean up their own messes when it happens in their own yards.

The country is infested with lazy "excusers". I can't do it because.... (insert any excuse you can think of) I should not have to do anything because.... (insert any excuse you can think of) INSTEAD of, What can I do to help?
 

Humble2drive

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Hundreds of volunteers carried shovels to downtown Waterbury, Conn., after the mayor promised to pay minimum wage to anyone who helped clear the City Hall area and the schools Tuesday.

The new workforce in Waterbury was formed after Mayor Neil O'Leary took a friend's suggestion to hire kids who are off from school — and possibly getting bored — to clear out City Hall and the schools, which are closed at least until Wednesday.

O'Leary put the word out, offering Connecticut's $8.25 hourly minimum wage. He said about 500 people, most between ages 14 and 18 with some adults mixed in, showed up at City Hall at noon Tuesday.
The offer is good again Wednesday, and O'Leary figures the workers will cost the city about $50,000.

Not only are the times changing but old terms are being redefined!

Traditional Volunteer - one who freely offers to take part in a task.

Newly defined volunteer - one who is persuaded to take part in a task by an offer of monetary compensation. :(
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
Anther angle (and to bring Cherri out of hiding) I blame this partially on the women's movement. That's right.

In my home state of Iowa (now MI) the small rural towns never bought the mantra, for the most part. One has to move into the metro areas of Des Moines, Iowa City (a bastion of liberal progressives), and Cedar Rapids to find this type of behavior. Traditional role would have men leading the charge and taking care of this snow removal business. Why? Because they have not been feminized and feel it's a man's job to get it done. Besides, it's a great way to build community, while the work ethic on display is nothing short of flexing the muscles. Who helped and cleared the most snow? Friendly and positive competition over the next morning cup of java.


Meanwhile, the female spouse is busy with ensuring the men get a hot meal, plenty of support, and who knows what else at the end of it all? There is a running thread of pride, in and amongst the female group as well. They chat and exchange thoughts about how they're guy helped out.


Fast forward to the now....these so called modern and enlightened men do not see this as a man's job; in organization, planning, or duty. In short, "I've already taken the kid to school, fixed my own meal, worked 8 hours, not to mention my inherent duty for tip toeing around the house when the boss gets home".


The problem, as I see it now a days......there is no common thread or framework within this society which defines who we are, and what is our role. The female above has also paid her taxes, worked 8 hours, picked the kid up from school and performs the self inflicted dual role in the aforementioned progressive community.

IMHO, you simply cannot have two people splitting duty as such. Defined roles, whereby both parties use their individual strengths, had always seen the snow removed. Both spouses have simply said "the heck with this, I've done enough today"....if you think about it, it's probably more true than either sex wants to admit.

Big city beehive where everyone thinks the same? Or, small community where individual thinking is still a virtuous and honorable thing? Pictures of a Maverick dominated household? Nah, I run my game, and spouse runs her's. Garage and snow shovel are mine (when I'm home LOL) Kitchen and inside color matching belong to you. It works.
 

Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
Anther angle (and to bring Cherri out of hiding) I blame this partially on the women's movement. That's right. . . .


Big city beehive where everyone thinks the same? Or, small community where individual thinking is still a virtuous and honorable thing? Pictures of a Maverick dominated household? Nah, I run my game, and spouse runs her's. Garage and snow shovel are mine (when I'm home LOL) Kitchen and inside color matching belong to you. It works.


Funny

You write 5 paragraphs espousing the glory of "defined roles" for people then conclude with this:

". . . small community where individual thinking is still a virtuous and honorable thing?"

Defined rolls promote very little individual thinking. :D

I happened to prefer a strong, independent, intelligent woman rather than a weak, subservient, woman who is simply playing a role.

My wife and I would both be out shoveling snow. Works for us. :p
 

cheri1122

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Driver
Maverick: not hiding, sometimes I actually have to work, ya know? :p

I tended to agree with Humble, that if both parties are able, the job is done by whomever has the time, or maybe hates it less. when I lived in the burbs, shoveling was usually my job, because I worked 3-11, and could get the drive clear before himself got home & packed it down with the bigazz pickup truck, lol. Marriage, and the roles of each partner, are as individual as snowflakes, and I say: whatever works is good.
Regarding the OP, I have some thoughts, but no time, have a load to pick up shortly - gotta pay bills somehow!
;)
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
"Anther angle. I blame this partially on the women's movement".

Some comments had suggested small communities do not bare the same problem as your larger areas. Was merely attempting to explain one reason why this might be. Individual thinkers (men and women) do not buy into this barefoot and pregnant, get my breakfast on the table, and be the good wife slave, rhetoric.

My wife enjoys shoveling snow for exercise, and I for one often have a say in how things are done inside the home. In looking at the big picture? Part of the reason large communities are not getting these things done just may have something to do with the men not taking the manual labor role as once was the case. No one stated it was a mans job for this, and a woman's job for that.

We have female drivers, lumberjacks, sprint car drivers...you name it. However, I think we've lost the sense of duty and honor within a core system that somehow once saw the snow removed. I see it every day out here. Men have become complacent and no longer see things as "a man's job".

And hello to you Cherri. Be safe out there (everyone) and keep your britches out of the ditches. :)
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
Funny

You write 5 paragraphs espousing the glory of "defined roles" for people then conclude with this:

". . . small community where individual thinking is still a virtuous and honorable thing?"

Defined rolls promote very little individual thinking. :D

I happened to prefer a strong, independent, intelligent woman rather than a weak, subservient, woman who is simply playing a role.

My wife and I would both be out shoveling snow. Works for us. :p

We have this one in totally opposite view, but that's OK, it's a forum. :D


Individual thinking actually define the roles IMHO

Hive mentality has society defining the roles, in which I do not buy into.
 
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hossman2011

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Owner/Operator
I have a wife that does the night driving because my brain won't do it!! she also knows that if she wants something fixed fixed faster than I get to it, she needs to get the tools and do it... and she does.... so I guess our defined roles are when something needs to be done... do it!! But every time I went and shoveled the drive she always had some kind of hot beverage waiting... Hybrid roles work for me!!
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
I have a wife that does the night driving because my brain won't do it!! she also knows that if she wants something fixed fixed faster than I get to it, she needs to get the tools and do it... and she does.... so I guess our defined roles are when something needs to be done... do it!! But every time I went and shoveled the drive she always had some kind of hot beverage waiting... Hybrid roles work for me!!

A woman's place is always behind a shovel, the push-mower, the garden tractor and the roofing ladder and tiles, just saying. I always held the ladder so Ms Former spouse could climb on the roof, it was the least I could do since her foot was in a cast...... just kidding ladies:rolleyes:
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Worked with a guy had maybe 5 ex-wives.
He'd brag "They were all good housekeepers. Everyone of them kept the house !"
 

cheri1122

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Driver
Guess I'm now officially 'not a good housekeeper', lol.
I want to point out a misconception on the OP's part, in the text he chose to highlight. The 'them' referred to are the "mostly 14-18 year olds" who responded to the mayor's request.

Joe: you've raised boys - did not they see a snowstorm as a great opportunity to make a few extra bucks with a shovel? I know my girls did, and even though it's a looooong time since I was a teenager, so did I. So why assume the teens weren't already shoveling? I'd bet they were, but they mayor's offer provided the one thing many of them desperately want: certified proof of prior employment, as evidenced by an actual pay stub. When you can't get a job because you've got no experience at a job, that's priceless!
I applaud the mayor for dealing with a difficult situation creatively, and for helping to teach people what 'community' means. Somehow, in all the civics classes, I don't recall the concept being presented.....

 

Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
We have this one in totally opposite view . . .

Not as much as you may think.. There are plenty of strong, independent and intelligent women who enjoy the role you described.
Not because society defined that roll but because they chose it. ;)
 
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