Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy...

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
and backhaul. All things that a lot of naive people believe in but that actually don't exist. When you tell a child that Santa isn't real, you are explaining how things work in the real world, and that's what this post is. We're talking about the real world.

In mythical backhaul land, loads that are taking you home pay less than loads that are taking you away from home. In the real world, not everyone's home is in the same city. In fact, there are indeed people living in all of the cities in this country. There are even people who live in all of those major freight centers. Shocking, I know, but let's continue. You would probably find that there are people in all of those cities who are in the trucking industry, either driving general freight or expedite.

Yesterday I was sitting in New York City and I live in Cincinnati. I want to be home this week to get ready for Thanksgiving. I was looking for loads home. I was not looking for backhaul, because I figured out long ago that it's not worth wasting your time looking for things that don't exist. There was a load picking up in New Jersey and delivering in Hamilton, real close to my house. I got excited and submitted a very reasonable bid, $1 flat for the loaded miles. I was willing to eat the deadhead to the town in Jersey the load was picking up at. After not hearing anything for a while, I decided to call the company that was brokering the load and I was told that someone else outbid me. I wanted to know how much I got outbid by so I could know how I needed to bid on the next one I saw, and I was told that someone had bid $250 for the load. That's a 600 mile expedite for $250. Does that even meet cost?

For those who don't see the problem, maybe we need to have that little Lombardi "gentlemen, this is a football" talk. There are two types of freight that don't fill a semi trailer, LTL and expedite. LTL is cheaper because it is not time sensitive, does not require exclusive use, and is generally meant to be combined with other freight. Expedite loads, regardless of the size, pay a full rate because they often are time sensitive, do require exclusive use, and are not meant to be combined with other freight. What we had there was someone who didn't understand that very basic difference. He took an LTL rate to run an expedite. Heck, I've seen LTL that paid better than that.

And here's why. When I was told the amount of the winning bid I said, "That's an LTL rate for an expedite. Who can afford that?" He responded, "He was just trying to get home." My response to that was, "I'm trying to get home too, but I'm not about to cut the throats of my colleagues in order to do it."

There's an underlying mentality behind backhaul bidding, and it's selfishness. Here's a load going home, I want to get home, so I can bid at an LTL rate to undercut anyone else who might want expedite rates for that load because at this point all I care about is covering my fuel costs. I'm sorry, but that doesn't fly with me. Like I said earlier, every city is somebody's home. The shippers know that. The brokers know that. As long as there are expediters who are willing to take loads going home at cost or even at a loss, then we're never going to see the rates get any better. My wallet might be better off in the short term if I take that 600 mile run home for $250 rather than deadhead. That's $250 I would not have otherwise. It will cover my fuel.

But I have to take a stand somewhere. If a load is an LTL and I just want to get home, I'll take .50 a mile just to cover costs, but I absolutely refuse to run an expedite load for that rate, no matter where I'm trying to get out of or where I'm trying to get to. If we keep blurring the lines between expedite and LTL, we're only going to shoot ourselves in the foot. That $250 load might be more profitable in the short term, but in the long term it could cost us all more profit. If you are on this board and you're the one who took that load out of New Jersey yesterday, shame on you.

The bottom line is this. All miles driven cost the same to drive, no matter which way they are headed. 600 miles home is no different than 600 miles away from home. It costs you the same. Every piece of expedite freight out there is going to somebody's home. What happens if the shippers and brokers just wait it out and award everything to somebody heading home who is willing to do it for .50 a mile? Where does that leave the rest of us? It's time to leave mythical backhaul land and live in the real world where a piece of freight should pay a certain rate based on the kind of freight it is, not based on the proximity of the consignee to someone's house.

Eventually I resigned myself to deadheading home last night rather than cut someone's throat and I was pulling in somewhere to get a bite to eat before heading out. I was packing up my computer to take it with me into the restaurant and my phone rang. I have my vehicle's location posted all over the internet and someone had seen it. There was an expedite picking up in New York ASAP and delivering in Louisville on Monday. It's not much, just a small box, but I can have it for an expedite rate. I checked the GPS and I was only 10 miles from the pickup. No deadhead home. No backhaul rate home. A real expedite load at an expedite rate. Who came out better, the selfish person living in backhaul land who screwed everyone over to get his load home, or me who got a full rate to get home? It doesn't always happen, but sometimes justice is served. Selfishness is no way to do business.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Charles, I sure there are many expediters out there that would consider your $1/mile bid "throat cutting". Others will think that deadheading home on your own dime instead of taking the load for $250 is a bad business decision. It's all relative!
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
It's all relative!

Exactly!

Charles, that was a well written essay and I totally agree, in theory. But, let's talk about the real world. We don't know what kind of rate the guy that took the $250 load got to get out there. It could very well be that he could run that cheap and still hit a good overall number. Instead of running home on the profit of the load he took out there, he was able to make a small profit getting home.

It reflects good character to say, "I don't want to be part of the problem. I want to do what's right!" So, is that running empty to not support cheap rates and possibly putting the success of your business in jeopardy? Or, is it biting the bullet once in a while and running cheap to get back to where your good paying freight is? It also reflects good character to want your business to be successful. In the real world, the game is being played the way it's being played.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Once upon a time, when I was a young boy, it was Christmas Eve. My grandparent's house was decorated inside and out. Brightly wrapped presents spilled out from under the tree. Santa's upcoming visit meant even more would be there when my younger brother and I awoke in the morning.

My parents and grandparents encouraged me to set out some cookies and write a note for Santa, which I enthusiastically did before going to bed.

My brother and I rose just after the sun and and well before the adults. Still in our pajamas, we rushed eagerly downstairs to see what Santa brought. As expected, and to our delight, more presents were there.

But the day did not go well. The cookies were gone and a thank you note from Santa was left in their place. The problem was, I was now old enough to figure out the note was in my father's handwriting.

I learned three things that day:

(1) Santa Claus does not exist.
(2) My father is a liar.
(3) Everyone else who told me about Santa is a liar.

It broke my heart but also developed into a healthy skepticism that serves me well.

As with Santa, so too with backhaul loads, ethical constructs like "Don't cut your colleague's throat," and things that carriers and experienced expedters say. Take nothing at face value.

Business truths become true only when you accept them as so. On those truths your business will rise or fall.
 
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x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
More than likely the "cut throat" ended up with a couple buks a mile or better. A couple skids @ $250 for 600 miles ain't great. However, if you have 8 couple skid loads from NJ to the Cinci area @ $250 yer not doing too bad. Seems like a couple K for 600 miles. I know, I know, ya gotta (sniff, sniff) bump too many docks. But, i've done it many a time, and, i'd do it again.
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
Exactly!

Charles, that was a well written essay and I totally agree, in theory. But, let's talk about the real world. We don't know what kind of rate the guy that took the $250 load got to get out there. It could very well be that he could run that cheap and still hit a good overall number. Instead of running home on the profit of the load he took out there, he was able to make a small profit getting home.

It reflects good character to say, "I don't want to be part of the problem. I want to do what's right!" So, is that running empty to not support cheap rates and possibly putting the success of your business in jeopardy? Or, is it biting the bullet once in a while and running cheap to get back to where your good paying freight is? It also reflects good character to want your business to be successful. In the real world, the game is being played the way it's being played.

I see where you're coming from, but it's just darn frustrating when you see expedites going for that kind of money. A year ago I would have taken that load and been happy about it, but when things are slower and you see yourself losing bid after bid to people who are either combining loads and doing each one for half the price or just flat out bidding expedite at LTL rates, it gets rather frustrating.

And yes, some people might take issue with my $1 bid, but that thing was one light pallet that would have fit a cargo van. A lot of carriers would have bid that at $1 and paid their van driver .75 and nobody would think a darn thing about that. Maybe I'm an oddball, but I consider the vehicle class a load is meant to go on when I bid. I run a Sprinter, so I get a few of those C unit loads that are listed for straights because they're too tall for a van. I bid those higher than I will something that would fit in a van, because in my mind a C unit load for the most part costs more to run than something for a B. Plus, if you just want to cover costs to get home, there's generally LTL or that cheap junk on uship that will do that. A lot of times I will be seeing LTL online that I will hold off on until late in the day when the expedite dries up for the day. It's not often that I just pack it in and deadhead for nothing, but I was prepared to yesterday because when I thought about the cost of sitting around New York for the weekend compared to the cost of driving home, it just made sense. I guess my main gripe is treating expedite like LTL and running it at those kinds of rates. It doesn't really help the rates overall when that happens. I guess it's all a business decision, but sometimes I wish people would make business decisions with a mind toward what the overall effect is on the industry as a whole if such decisions were to become commonplace.
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
More than likely the "cut throat" ended up with a couple buks a mile or better. A couple skids @ $250 for 600 miles ain't great. However, if you have 8 couple skid loads from NJ to the Cinci area @ $250 yer not doing too bad. Seems like a couple K for 600 miles. I know, I know, ya gotta (sniff, sniff) bump too many docks. But, i've done it many a time, and, i'd do it again.

I should have mentioned that the particular load in question was listed as "exclusive use expedite." If someone is combining a bunch of those, that's not very exclusive.

I'm with you as far as combining LTLs though. I've done quite a bit of that and I've even combined two expedites that had enough time on them and they weren't specifically asking for exclusive use.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
And yes, some people might take issue with my $1 bid, but that thing was one light pallet that would have fit a cargo van.
It was probably a cargo van that won the bid. At .416/mile the cargo van driver got to where he wanted to go, paid for the fuel and had enough money to buy a turkey or a cooked goose.

Like Highway Star said: "In the real world, the game is being played the way it's being played."
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would say it is all relative. Double dipping goes on all the time whether it is "exclusive use" or not. Like the others, that $1.00 a mile load might go nicely with a few others at that same rate.
A lot of times that exclusive use goes right out the window for a bargain price if it gets there when they want it.
Couple different ways of operating. Could be considered "cut throating", and on the other hand, it could be operating efficiently.
Just comes down to whether you are maximizing profits, or trying to make a statement?
 
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FIS53

Veteran Expediter
No no the elusive backhaul does exist!! I know I've been seeing some lately! A customer of ours was supposed to have them but we saw very few. Now that freight rates have gone upwards (and fsc) we are now seeing these backhauls every week. They don't pay well but do cover fuel plus for the entire run out and back. Have seen some others but again rare. I guess praying to the non existant entities like the claus, bunny and fairy aren't going to do any good, oh well.
Rob
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
And, that "statement" soup gets really, really thin, i'd imagine. Be hard to keep it in the spoon.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
In the dog-eat-dog world of freight, expedited or otherwise, "colleague" is a fantasy. Unless my colleagues start stepping up and paying my bills, no, I'm not really concerned about them.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
In the dog-eat-dog world of freight, expedited or otherwise, "colleague" is a fantasy. Unless my colleagues start stepping up and paying my bills, no, I'm not really concerned about them.

Expediters are at the same time competitors and colleagues. As the business ebbs and flows and business decisions are made, some do well, others do fair, some fail. When someone washes out of the business it is something to be concerned about, not from a competitive level but a collegiate one.

In the same way that an NFL football player feels bad if an injury takes a competitor out, I think most expediters feel some pain when one of their own goes out not by choice. Yes, we are competitors but we have hearts too.

In the community we call ExpeditersOnline, we have seen instances where competitors contribute time and money for the benefit of competitors; even to the point of one helping another by handing over some cash.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Yeah, I get all that, and I'm right there with ya, but at the same time, I'm not going to turn down a well-paying load so that one of my less fortunate colleagues can take it instead.

I was once on a load, like 800 miles or something, and Panther wanted to swap it out after 400 miles, stating that with the deadhead to go get it that it was too many miles and I'd need too long of a break in there somewhere, they didn't think I had enough time to make the delivery on time (they were basing that on 47 MPH, yet nearly the entire route was Texas Interstate). I was actually on pace to deliver about 7 hours early, but they wanted to swap it out, anyway, and I balked. The comment I got was,

"You get half the miles and another driver can get half, so both of you will get some miles out of it. Aren't you concerned about the other driver?"

Well, no, I'm not. And I took the load to the cons, on time, just like I was contracted to do.
 
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