Ron Paul, the isolationist
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Yeah, very real examples. SO similar to preventing a country or co=unties from preventing free passage on the high seas in accordance with international law.
Look up "FON OPS" We very well may be involved with things like that again, unless freedom of movement in international waters is NOT important to Obama or Paul.
Look up "FON OPS" We very well may be involved with things like that again, unless freedom of movement in international waters is NOT important to Obama or Paul.
How many existentialists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Two. One to screw it in, and one to observe how the light bulb itself symbolizes a single incandescent beacon of subjective reality in a netherworld of endless absurdity reaching out towards a cosmos of nothingness.
How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
Three. Two to fill the bathtub with clocks, and one to set the giraffe on fire.
How many government bureaucrats does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to assure that everything possible is being done while the other screws the bulb into the water faucet.
How many Intelligence officers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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Two. One to screw it in, and one to observe how the light bulb itself symbolizes a single incandescent beacon of subjective reality in a netherworld of endless absurdity reaching out towards a cosmos of nothingness.
How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
Three. Two to fill the bathtub with clocks, and one to set the giraffe on fire.
How many government bureaucrats does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to assure that everything possible is being done while the other screws the bulb into the water faucet.
How many Intelligence officers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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AMonger
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There are constitutional provisons for dealing with hostilities, and we have a history and constitutional foundation for letters of marquee and the use of force. Could you please name a current candidate who's on record as being in favor of following the constitution in such matters, aside from Dr. Paul, that is.
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
Did you look up "FON OPS"? I worked them in REAL LIFE. Has Ron Paul? NOPE! Has Obama? NOPE! Did you? Not that I know of. I did not see you but I don't know your REAL name so I could be wrong.
A current candidate able to direct "FON OPS"? NONE!
Good night! Rag more tomorrow when you learn what I am talking about.
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RLENT
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Awww c'mon will ya .... I just got done cleanin' the keyboard off ... now I got to do it again ?
AMonger
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I looked up FON OPS, and from the rest of what you said, it's what I expected. I suspect that most educated people who relied upon competent advisers could direct a FON OP. But even if that's not the case, running FON OPS, given our current situation, doesn't make the list of the Top 200 things we need to be concerned with right now. It comes in right below not allowing volunteer firemen to hose down bystanders with cameras.
What do you say we try to survive as a nation, with our civil liberties intact and not walking around in rags before we worry about FON OPS or the name of the assistant dog catcher in Rekjavik?
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
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It is ALWAYS personal for some, why? I am VERY concerned about what I see from EVERY candidate out there. I don't see ANY candidate who is up for the job. I am going to ONLY look at REAL life situations and try to gauge how each of these bums running will handle them. Right now, I see NO ONE who can.
It is ALWAYS personal for some, why? I am VERY concerned about what I see from EVERY candidate out there. I don't see ANY candidate who is up for the job. I am going to ONLY look at REAL life situations and try to gauge how each of these bums running will handle them. Right now, I see NO ONE who can.
chefdennis
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Joe, you and i pretty much run along the same lines on alot of issues..BUT...on the "Experience" to be president...well to be honest, I really don't see anyone other then the guy that holds the office that has real experience in holding that office..and i have no desire to give him another chance....Yes most want leadership skills and ideals that are in line with our constitution, but no one has the total ability to deal with EVERY issue that will come up over the term of the presidency..its just not possible for that to happen....That is why those in that position surround themselves with people that will give them the advise to deal with all issues...the problem comes when we elect an idiot like barry that has a totally different idea of how our country runs and then surrounds himself with "like" thinking people.....
I totally disagree with Paul on his foreign /war policy..totally..I am even further right on war then probably most running for the office, but thats another story..But I can't let that single issue make me vote for someone that is I feel is not in step with what it will take to re-construct our country to bring it back to the place where the people are in charge again and the government truely does work for the people and not work to control them....
The key for me is to vote for a person that i feel will best (not totally) represent my ideals and know that if he thinks as i do, he will then surround himself with the people that will also have those same ideals as a base and then work "together" to do the job "I" elected him to do...its not a one man job....
right now for me that man is Ron Paul, i'll vote for him in the Ohio Primary and for President if he gets that far...But if he doesn't then I'll also hold my nose and vote against barry..
Think about it Joe, The only person that is running for the office of the Presidency that has experience AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, is NOT the guy you or I want in office...
I totally disagree with Paul on his foreign /war policy..totally..I am even further right on war then probably most running for the office, but thats another story..But I can't let that single issue make me vote for someone that is I feel is not in step with what it will take to re-construct our country to bring it back to the place where the people are in charge again and the government truely does work for the people and not work to control them....
The key for me is to vote for a person that i feel will best (not totally) represent my ideals and know that if he thinks as i do, he will then surround himself with the people that will also have those same ideals as a base and then work "together" to do the job "I" elected him to do...its not a one man job....
right now for me that man is Ron Paul, i'll vote for him in the Ohio Primary and for President if he gets that far...But if he doesn't then I'll also hold my nose and vote against barry..
Think about it Joe, The only person that is running for the office of the Presidency that has experience AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, is NOT the guy you or I want in office...
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greg334
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Thanks Chef, that was a really good point.
But I wonder out of the field that are running to be that nominee, which one is can not be any worse than Obama?
But I wonder out of the field that are running to be that nominee, which one is can not be any worse than Obama?
chefdennis
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greg wrote:
I don't care one way or the other..id vote for the janitor at the WH if he ran against barry....I totally understand that all of these people running are no better nor any worse then each other and barry...It is barrys ideals, his desire to turn the US into Europe and his plans of destruction for the Constitution that that led me to root for his failure..and fail he has..as was pointed out before his moving into the WH, "if he fails, the USA fails.."well he has done his best to make that happen in my opinion".... yea you can say it wasn't him it was the congress and the senate, bt it was and is his ideals along with all of his unconstitutional activities that have the country where it is today..and yes the situation as been coming long before him, but he is the one that turned up the heat and took the country to where it is now...So yes, while ill vote for the one that is closest to my ideals if Ron Paul isn't the one, but ill also vote for "anyone but barry" , and then i can disparage them just as i have barry if they don't do as they have said...including Ron Paul
I don't care one way or the other..id vote for the janitor at the WH if he ran against barry....I totally understand that all of these people running are no better nor any worse then each other and barry...It is barrys ideals, his desire to turn the US into Europe and his plans of destruction for the Constitution that that led me to root for his failure..and fail he has..as was pointed out before his moving into the WH, "if he fails, the USA fails.."well he has done his best to make that happen in my opinion".... yea you can say it wasn't him it was the congress and the senate, bt it was and is his ideals along with all of his unconstitutional activities that have the country where it is today..and yes the situation as been coming long before him, but he is the one that turned up the heat and took the country to where it is now...So yes, while ill vote for the one that is closest to my ideals if Ron Paul isn't the one, but ill also vote for "anyone but barry" , and then i can disparage them just as i have barry if they don't do as they have said...including Ron Paul
greg334
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I would agree with you and would be voting like you but I'm afraid that someone like Romney would end up being as bad if not worse than Obama because now he has to pay back the same type and in a couple cases the same people that obama had to pay back.
As far as the constitution is concerned, Romney, Santorum and Gingrich all stand on the same side of the line as Obama, using it to change things they want to change to control people while changing it to fit their agenda.
As far as the constitution is concerned, Romney, Santorum and Gingrich all stand on the same side of the line as Obama, using it to change things they want to change to control people while changing it to fit their agenda.
"Think about it Joe, The only person that is running for the office of the Presidency that has experience AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, is NOT the guy you or I want in office..."
Thanks for the constructive input, Dennis.
Your statement above is correct, unfortunate, but correct. I will be voting, I will be holding my nose. I am PRAYING that every candidate running, from both parties, lose.
As far as getting us into a war, if Obama remains in office there is a very good chance that will occur. If Paul is elected the outcome in that regard will likely be the same. Weakness breeds contempt.
Thanks for the constructive input, Dennis.
Your statement above is correct, unfortunate, but correct. I will be voting, I will be holding my nose. I am PRAYING that every candidate running, from both parties, lose.
As far as getting us into a war, if Obama remains in office there is a very good chance that will occur. If Paul is elected the outcome in that regard will likely be the same. Weakness breeds contempt.
chefdennis
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greg wrote:
The same thing has been said and is still said about a vote for Ron Paul... how many times have you seen it said a vote for RP is a wasted vote"..or "a vote for RP is nothing more then a vote for barry"....It was said in this forum in the last election cycle..even to the point that a vote for any 3rd party or voting your ideals were a throw away vote....
That being said, i'll vote for RP as as far ashe goes, but beyond that the vote as scary as it might be for some has to be to vote for that one that best fits your ideals...now it you are strictly avoiding votng for a candiate on the issue of "corrupt politicians", then don't vote at all...none including RP (yea i know some will say not Rp)are totally clean....and will have to pay back someone.....
The same thing has been said and is still said about a vote for Ron Paul... how many times have you seen it said a vote for RP is a wasted vote"..or "a vote for RP is nothing more then a vote for barry"....It was said in this forum in the last election cycle..even to the point that a vote for any 3rd party or voting your ideals were a throw away vote....
That being said, i'll vote for RP as as far ashe goes, but beyond that the vote as scary as it might be for some has to be to vote for that one that best fits your ideals...now it you are strictly avoiding votng for a candiate on the issue of "corrupt politicians", then don't vote at all...none including RP (yea i know some will say not Rp)are totally clean....and will have to pay back someone.....
chefdennis
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Layout wrote:
On that we totally agree..we just have different view points on it..a i said, that is a totally different topic and situation...
On that we totally agree..we just have different view points on it..a i said, that is a totally different topic and situation...
greg334
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But wheres the weakness with Paul?
I don't see it.
I see a weakness of the american people not to control their government, as in Libya and maybe the up and coming Syria conflict being the biggest threat to our security. But outside of that, I see that Iran is being discussed in a propaganda mode of operation with a lot of misinformation coming from this administration through the media outlets (one that is leaving Israel's comments out) ... amazing that Obama's administration for war propaganda - Fox News - has been leading the Iran stories.
We seem to think, with a lot of arrogance, that we can change things when we can't. This administrations and for that matter going back a few, has had a difficult time justifying the dismal outcome of the military (peace keeping) engagements of the past 20 or so years and unless we change our attitude and course by having someone to say to the world "no", we will continue the same dismal record with the same outcomes we have had far into the future.
Nope Greg, I don't agree with you.
I posted earlier about running "FON OPS" for a reason. Assume that Iran makes good on it's promise to close the Straights. What would Paul do? Would he order "FON OPS" or allow Iran to close an ocean? There are problems that, if ignored, will only escalate. Sooner or later ignored problems always come back to bite.
I am not saying that many of the things we have got into over the last 20 years were right. I am just saying that burying your head in the sand only gets your butt kicked.