Ron Paul: Pressure on GOP freshmen with debt ceiling vote

[witness23]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I liked a lot of what the Republicans were saying before they were sworn into Congress, but you have below Mr. Paul's thoughts on what the freshman candidates will do about the debt-ceiling. Anyone want to take bet's that they will do just as he say's? Think about this, at least the Democrats got things done, you may not like what they did, but they got things done. The Republicans had control and didn't do much at all, which, I understand is part of being a Republican(less govt.) but when they had control they could've cut spending, cut entitlements, look at S.S., clamped down on corruption, all the things they are saying they are going to do this time, but will they? No, now they are saying they want a second chance to do those things they should've done before. Well, just keep an eye on these guys and you will see it will be much of the same as before. I wish this man would run for office.

Ron Paul: Pressure on GOP freshmen with debt ceiling vote
By Jordan Fabian - 01/10/11 08:22 AM ET

Link: Ron Paul: Pressure on GOP freshmen with debt ceiling vote - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

The large group of freshman House Republicans is facing tremendous pressure over an impending vote to raise the nation's debt ceiling, according to libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).

Paul — who opposes raising the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling — predicted that the majority of new Republicans would be convinced to vote to lift it when it comes up this spring.

"It won't take them very long to be unhappy. That's why the real test is going to be those 80-some new members and how they are going to vote," he said during an interview on Fox Business Network posted Monday. "And I [expect] they're going to be talked into it — the majority will be talked into it — because they are going to get some promise they are going to cut back."

The debt ceiling vote is expected to be one of the first major tests of the relationship between Republican leaders who control the House and a large swath of new members who helped them obtain the majority in the November midterm elections.

With 84 of the 242-member House GOP conference being freshmen, the bloc could wield considerable influence over the direction of the 112th Congress.

While riding a wave of Tea Party support to victory, several members of the freshman class have said they oppose raising the debt ceiling over concerns about high spending and the national debt.

But leaders in Congress and the Obama White House have said that raising the ceiling is a must, arguing it will signal to foreign creditors that the U.S. can meet its obligations.

The House has suspended votes this week in the aftermath of the shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D).

 

[layoutshooter]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I liked a lot of what the Republicans were saying before they were sworn into Congress, but you have below Mr. Paul's thoughts on what the freshman candidates will do about the debt-ceiling. Anyone want to take bet's that they will do just as he say's? Think about this, at least the Democrats got things done, you may not like what they did, but they got things done. The Republicans had control and didn't do much at all, which, I understand is part of being a Republican(less govt.) but when they had control they could've cut spending, cut entitlements, look at S.S., clamped down on corruption, all the things they are saying they are going to do this time, but will they? No, now they are saying they want a second chance to do those things they should've done before. Well, just keep an eye on these guys and you will see it will be much of the same as before. I wish this man would run for office.

Ron Paul: Pressure on GOP freshmen with debt ceiling vote
By Jordan Fabian - 01/10/11 08:22 AM ET

Link: Ron Paul: Pressure on GOP freshmen with debt ceiling vote - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Time will tell. I expect NOTHING for the ReBumLiCans. The only thing I really hope for is that they get rid of Obama Care and at least try to restore our Constitution. The only thing that the Dumb-O-Crats have done is spend massive amounts of money that we don't have, make huge profits for the Federal Reserve, weaken the country with a bad arms treaty and totally trash the Constitution. Watch out for that woman in PA, wants to limit or take away our rights under the Second Amendment. Typical Dumb-O-Crat, try to control crime by taking away rights from law abiding citizens. Makes sense. Worked for prohibition and that line of thought is working with drugs too. Stupid is as stupid does. Make more crimes to cut crime.

 

[greg334]

Witness,
The thing is you are buying into the BS line that the dems were so much of a minority from '95 to '07 that nothing of theirs ever got passed and they were cut off from even debate. The thing is that is so much BS a digital stinks is coming through my computer.

There are solid facts IF you want to go back through the Congressional Record to see how the republicans from '95 to '01 allowed a lot of democratic sponsored stuff to get passed while during the Bush era, they held the nation hostage with the issue of the SC nominees being threated not to get through the senate. Bush was the first president that I know of that didn't get the benches filled through the federal court system and had to depend on Clinton appointees to do the work. He also didn't veto any thing that was passed by congress - both republican and democratic sponsored bills - until the dems gained control of congress and threated to hold everything up.

IT is not like what the republicans faced with Pelosi and Reed, just the way the health care law was passed seems to be a situation where debate was killed off and the rules were bent - something that hasn't happened with the republican congress except for the budget ... WHICH the democrat controlled congress FAILED to pass last year.

As for the debt ceiling, YES it should not be raised. IF THIS stops the federal government in it's tracks, so be it because we shouldn't care and the affects to the common person won't be what they claim it will be. I hope it will force a bigger issue to be discussed, reduction of the budget and spending and a serious reduction in federal employees.

 

[chefdennis]

They want to raise the debt ceiling, ok...but before that they need to make massive cuts in spending to the point of de funding programs and closing complete agencies...

If those freshmen that ran under the Tea Party banner don't follow what they said they would and "toe the party line" and go along with the reps, they will be toast in the next round of elections when their time comes up....

 

[greg334]

NO chef, it is not ok.

The problem is there shouldn't be a comprimise met at all, the debt is one of the factors holding us back and by forcing those in congress to deal with the issue of the debt first and foremost, it will benefit the country in the long run.

What's the worst that can happen?

 

[witness23]

Witness,
The thing is you are buying into the BS line that the dems were so much of a minority from '95 to '07 that nothing of theirs ever got passed and they were cut off from even debate.

Greg, I am not buying any BS. I am not playing politics either. The only reason I brought up what the Democrats have done, was to show that they have proceeded with a lot of the things they have campaigned on. Where as, the Republicans have campaigned on things they want to do, but things just stay the same in Washington. They are supposed to be the party of less Government, less spending, less taxes, less regulation, etc, etc, but they do not follow through with those principles. Take out of the picture your "likes" or "dislikes" on policy. Look at what they have promised in there campaigns and look at what they have actually carried through with their promises.

The thing is that is so much BS a digital stinks is coming through my computer.

You should have that checked out.

There are solid facts IF you want to go back through the Congressional Record to see how the republicans from '95 to '01 allowed a lot of democratic sponsored stuff to get passed while during the Bush era,

You just proved my point greg.

they held the nation hostage with the issue of the SC nominees being threated not to get through the senate. Bush was the first president that I know of that didn't get the benches filled through the federal court system and had to depend on Clinton appointees to do the work.

That of which you state above I am not sure of. If you have a link to that information would be appreciated.

He also didn't veto any thing that was passed by congress - both republican and democratic sponsored bills - until the dems gained control of congress and threated to hold everything up.

Again, you prove my point. In case you are missing my point, it is that the Republicans campaign on less Government, less spending, entitlement cuts, etc, etc, but do nothing about it.

IT is not like what the republicans faced with Pelosi and Reed, just the way the health care law was passed seems to be a situation where debate was killed off and the rules were bent - something that hasn't happened with the republican congress except for the budget ... WHICH the democrat controlled congress FAILED to pass last year.

What? Are you serious my friend? Please list these, "rules that were bent" that you speak of. I guarantee you that I can find a Republican Congress that "bent" and used the same tactics the Democrats have used.

As for the debt ceiling, YES it should not be raised.

At least we agree on this issue.

IF THIS stops the federal government in it's tracks, so be it because we shouldn't care and the affects to the common person won't be what they claim it will be.

I agree, I feel that they say these things as a scare tactic. I am willing as an American to take a chance of the effects of the Government stopping in its tracks.

I hope it will force a bigger issue to be discussed, reduction of the budget and spending and a serious reduction in federal employees.

The Republicans have already "forced" the issue to be discussed when they campaigned and brought forth their "Pledge to America". The Republicans have already said this is what they are going to do, so do it! If it is what is right for the American people, the American people will accept it.

 

[witness23]

They want to raise the debt ceiling, ok...but before that they need to make massive cuts in spending to the point of de funding programs and closing complete agencies....

If the Republicans make "massive cuts", then the debt ceiling won't have to be raised in the first place. If they do raise the debt ceiling, it is a sign that they are not willing to live up to their promises. Really, that is the point I am trying to make here.

If those freshmen that ran under the Tea Party banner don't follow what they said they would and "toe the party line" and go along with the reps, they will be toast in the next round of elections when their time comes up....

I would be willing to take that bet, that they won't be "toast" as you say come election time.

 

[xiggi]

The reality is they do not have much choice but to raise the debt ceiling. Like someone said they need to tie some serious spending cuts with it. The repubs did stop the omnibus spending bill in the lame duck session, it will be totally different when it comes back around for debate. In the bush era there is no doubt the repubs overspent that is one reason so many independents went for Obama, he spouted about change but people never bothered to really look at what his kind of change meant. What they saw the dems do in his first two years made people even madder so out they went. Now if those elected this time do not do things to drastically cut spending they will get voted out. The hard part is the dems still control the senate and the veto pen.

 

[chefdennis]

Greg, I didn't say compromise and raise the debt ceiling then make cuts...I said make massive cuts then raise it...but as witness said:

If the Republicans make "massive cuts", then the debt ceiling won't have to be raised in the first place.

That is my point also...make the cuts, then if you feel a need for a huge cushion, raise it, but that won't be needed or happen...no compromise at all...make the cuts and i mean massive cuts firing thousands of gov employees , closing agencies that are not constitutional and defund fed programs and agenicies...

As for what is the worst that can happen, who care!?!? I hope for nothing more then "total gridlock" on the hill anyhow...then less they can accomplish the less damage they can do....

 

[greg334]

Witness, I am playing with you, I understand your point, that's why I said things to back it up.

The dems also promised to end this division they claimed that was created by the republicans, but didn't. The health care had debate was cut short and they bent the rules to get it out of committee and passed through congress through a procedural move without a proper reconciliation through the committees (all by the way done under the republicans to get budgets passed).

The court debacle was done when Bush was nominating people to become judges and had announced a replacement for the SC. The dems in the senate filibuster every nominee to the point they held up the process and Bush and the republicans had to compromise by passing some bills and to look for some judges who were to the dems liking. I think it was Roberts who was the intended target of the dems when he was announced. They essentially held the country hostage.

Here is the real issue, the people who get elected, no matter what they get elected for, seem to change and want to retain the power they get. They don't care what they say and their unity with their party seems to be more important than their promises. NOT many can claim to be consistent in a good way, Paul and a few others can but outside of that, nope. They get this idea that they are more important than the people they represent and it is illustrated in the rhetoric during the campaign and even now with the crime in Tuscon.

IF we are to believe that the republicans are going to do something positive and actually something that they claim they are for, then it has to start with this issue - not raising the debt ceiling to force both chambers of congress to deal with the out of control debt. Their track record has proven they will not revisit an issue once there is a quick solution and spending cuts will not happen without the a serious need of money. Already these newly elected republicans faced the old guard who are part of the problem, and that old guard has already said to the public too bad. So Paul is doing the right thing, he is doing what a lot of the people want ANYONE in congress to do.

SO far nothing has worked in the economy with these spending bills, we don't have solid numbers to back up the claims made by the media or the administration that the economy is moving forward but we do have constantly revised numbers that don't tell the entire story of how bad it is. Raising the ceiling will add to the debt, the additional debt is going to be funded by allowing interest rates to increase in order to attract the investors and with the Fed's need to lower interest rates, it is a bigger mess that is brewing and may boil over.

 

[layoutshooter]

There may be no other option until the new fiscal year since our last congress did NOT do their job and pass a budget. Since they did not pass a budget it would only be right that everyone in office at that time, including Barry and Uncle Joe, should refund 100% of their pay for last year. Don't do your REQUIRE work? NO PAY! They spent FAR too much time on garbage that is NOT their job, like Obama Care. Of course, why should they do what the Constitution requires? They ignore it all the time anyway.

 

[Poorboy]

Greg, I am not buying any BS. I am not playing politics either. The only reason I brought up what the Democrats have done, was to show that they have proceeded with a lot of the things they have campaigned on. Where as, the Republicans have campaigned on things they want to do, but things just stay the same in Washington. They are supposed to be the party of less Government, less spending, less taxes, less regulation, etc, etc, but they do not follow through with those principles. Take out of the picture your "likes" or "dislikes" on policy. Look at what they have promised in there campaigns and look at what they have actually carried through with their promis

You should have that checked out.



You just proved my point greg.



That of which you state above I am not sure of. If you have a link to that information would be appreciated.



Again, you prove my point. In case you are missing my point, it is that the Republicans campaign on less Government, less spending, entitlement cuts, etc, etc, but do nothing about it.



What? Are you serious my friend? Please list these, "rules that were bent" that you speak of. I guarantee you that I can find a Republican Congress that "bent" and used the same tactics the Democrats have used.



At least we agree on this issue.



I agree, I feel that they say these things as a scare tactic. I am willing as an American to take a chance of the effects of the Government stopping in its tracks.



The Republicans have already "forced" the issue to be discussed when they campaigned and brought forth their "Pledge to America". The Republicans have already said this is what they are going to do, so do it! If it is what is right for the American people, the American people will accept it.

The new comgress was just sworn in last week! Give them a chance!

 

[layoutshooter]

Yeah, give 'em a chance to screw up, don't worry, they will. They have not choice. They are, after all, just lowly politicians. Politicians are one of the lowest sub-human life forms known to man.

 

[Poorboy]

Yeah, give 'em a chance to screw up, don't worry, they will. They have not choice. They are, after all, just lowly politicians. Politicians are one of the lowest sub-human life forms known to man.

You betcha