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"These are the times that try men's souls. In the course of our nation's history, the people of Boston have rallied bravely whenever the rights of men have been threatened. Today, a new crisis has arisen. The Metropolitan Transit Authority, better known as the M. T. A., is attempting to levy a burdensome tax on the population in the form of a subway fare increase. Citizens, hear me out! This could happen to you!"
 

RLENT

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I have to disagree with you about the deal buster, Dave.
Heheheh .... :D

I'm thinking if this was someone else, maybe someone that was taken more seriously, they would have been excoriated as soon as this came out, not on the umpteenth time they ran for the presidency, and yet it seems as though ALL of the media is just shrugging it's shoulders ...... hmmmm
First off, you should familiarize yourself with the history of this matter with regard to the previous coverage it has received in the past 10+ years - because clearly you appear to be totally unaware of it.

And yeah .... you might wanna consider that aspect very carefully .... you may actually learn something ... :rolleyes:

Why is that exactly ?
 

Turtle

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Yes, it is quite funny - people, who likely have no experience with, or real knowledge of, of the science and art of Public Relations, trying to do PR activities. It's sorta like watching a bull in a China shop ... or an auto-mechanic attempt to do brain surgery.
Or a layman trying to do forensic handwriting analysis. :D
 

RLENT

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The following is from an interview on Sunday, January 13, 2008 with Nelson Linder, who has known Dr. Paul personally for 20 years. Mr. Linder is the President of a local Chapter of NAACP. Mr. Linder is, of course, black.

The NAACP President Didn't Get the 'Ron Paul Is a Racist' Memo Either
Posted by David Kramer on December 23, 2011 12:54 PM

NAACP President Nelson Linder on Alex Jones's show:

"Knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that....so I think it's very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that's what I'm hearing...I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy, I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him...If you scare the folks that have the money, they're going to attack you and they're going to take it out of context...What he's saying is really really threatening the powers that be and that's what they fear..."

FULL DISCLOSURE: "Nelson Linder contacted our office and wanted prisonplanet.com to stress the fact that he made his comments as a private citizen, not as president of the Austin NAACP. He said the libertarian platform deserves the same scrutiny as the Democratic and Republican parties receive in this nation. He went on to say that some on the web have construed that he is endorsing Ron Paul. And that is not the case. Mr. Linder went on to say that the interview was designed to discuss local issues concerning civil rights and civil liberties and his knowledge of the Libertarian party and Ron Paul."
[Above excerpts from this article]
 

RLENT

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Or a layman trying to do forensic handwriting analysis. :D
I'm not offering my opinion or testimony to a court of law ..... just the one of public opinion :p

BTW, if one were to examine various of the documents that do have a signature (which I have) one would find that there several signatures which appear to be different than each other - and they are all different than Dr. Paul's actual signature.
 
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RLENT

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Short analysis of the present situation from LegalizeLiberty referencing an article by Jack Keeny, along with a short video at the end, that was shot covertly inside one of these boiler room operations, showing this operation in full swing, and why it unlikely to go anywhere real time soon.

Possible Ron Paul Iowa Win Drives NeoCons to Apoplexy

Rep. Ron Paul’s top-tier status heading into Iowa and New Hampshire means he definitely can’t be totally ignored by the major media, as he has been in the past. So the censors and blackout artists have been replaced by the smear bund. This past week they got pretty well revved up, but they’re still probably a long way from being in high gear.

As The New American's Jack Kenny noted here a couple of days ago in his article, “Campaign Could Get 'Downright Ugly' if Paul Wins Iowa,” the Big Government Republicans are sharpening their knives for a bloodfest.

But they’re not waiting for the results of the January 3, 2012 Iowa caucuses to get ugly.

Over the past week, the apoplectic attack dogs of the neoconservative kennel were unleashed for a rabid, howling blitz against the Texas Congressman. It’s testimony to Dr. Paul’s squeaky clean personal and political life that the attackers have been forced to fabricate issues with which to clobber him. No sex scandals. No political payoffs from Freddie Mac or favoritism for Goldman Sachs. No political flip-flops on issues. No sellouts to special interests.

So how do you attack a straight arrow such as Dr. Paul who is a constitutional purist and has doggedly stuck to his convictions for over three decades of public life? Well, they’re dusting off their playbook from the 2008 presidential campaign, and adding a few new twists. The smear bund is harping on several memes, hoping that sufficient repetition from multiple voices will convince voters that Ron Paul is “dangerous,” “crazy,” a “pacifist,” an “isolationist,” a “conspiracy crank,” and a “grumpy old man.”

Covert Video of NeoCon Smear Central
 

dieseldiva

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Heheheh .... :D


First off, you should familiarize yourself with the history of this matter with regard to the previous coverage it has received in the past 10+ years - because clearly you appear to be totally unaware of it.

And yeah .... you might wanna consider that aspect very carefully .... you may actually learn something ... :rolleyes:

Why is that exactly ?

I know he's been questioned on this before, I'm not so think as you dumb I am.:rolleyes:
 

dieseldiva

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Short analysis of the present situation from LegalizeLiberty referencing an article by Jack Keeny, along with a short video at the end, that was shot covertly inside one of these boiler room operations, showing this operation in full swing, and why it unlikely to go anywhere real time soon.

Possible Ron Paul Iowa Win Drives NeoCons to Apoplexy

Rep. Ron Paul’s top-tier status heading into Iowa and New Hampshire means he definitely can’t be totally ignored by the major media, as he has been in the past. So the censors and blackout artists have been replaced by the smear bund. This past week they got pretty well revved up, but they’re still probably a long way from being in high gear.

As The New American's Jack Kenny noted here a couple of days ago in his article, “Campaign Could Get 'Downright Ugly' if Paul Wins Iowa,” the Big Government Republicans are sharpening their knives for a bloodfest.

But they’re not waiting for the results of the January 3, 2012 Iowa caucuses to get ugly.

Over the past week, the apoplectic attack dogs of the neoconservative kennel were unleashed for a rabid, howling blitz against the Texas Congressman. It’s testimony to Dr. Paul’s squeaky clean personal and political life that the attackers have been forced to fabricate issues with which to clobber him. No sex scandals. No political payoffs from Freddie Mac or favoritism for Goldman Sachs. No political flip-flops on issues. No sellouts to special interests.

So how do you attack a straight arrow such as Dr. Paul who is a constitutional purist and has doggedly stuck to his convictions for over three decades of public life? Well, they’re dusting off their playbook from the 2008 presidential campaign, and adding a few new twists. The smear bund is harping on several memes, hoping that sufficient repetition from multiple voices will convince voters that Ron Paul is “dangerous,” “crazy,” a “pacifist,” an “isolationist,” a “conspiracy crank,” and a “grumpy old man.”

Covert Video of NeoCon Smear Central

Is there any reason why Paul shouldn't get the full anal exam that the other front runners got? The difference here seems to be that while you were gleeful before concerning the others, you're more on the pizzy side when it's Paul's turn.

Did you look at my post, #14? I cannot see how so many different newsletters over so many different years can escape his attention. That's asking the country to believe an awful lot.
 

Black Sheep

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Impressive demonstration of critical thinking skills.
With this particular subject matter critical thinking skills not required. The reader can digest the Ron Paul newsletter and come to a conclusion about the author without a terminal degree in English Literature and/or Politial Science.
And actually it's not signed by him - and repeating that lie won't make it true, no matter how many times you say it.
You must remain true to the MASTER Wormtail, no matter the conditions that adhere to the facts. His signature is NOT his signature because you say so. The sky is yellow because you say so. Give him your right hand for the potion so the MASTER'S rebirth may be complete
Those that tell lies are doomed to be imprisoned by them ...
Indeed, Wormtail. Stumbling over an intelligent thought and falling into a reflective puddle of truth, however ironic, can benefit even you.
 

RLENT

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Is there any reason why Paul shouldn't get the full anal exam that the other front runners got?
You really feel the front runners got that ? Is that what you truly believe ? I'm afraid that I see it a little different.

I have no problem with Dr. Paul - and the other candidates - being fully vetted - I believe they should be. But I don't think that's what's happening.

What I see is a lot of talking heads in the media acting like they're covering a horse race, telling people what to think (both good and bad, for all candidates - not just Dr. Paul) I see no real in-depth coverage - no real investigative journalism. Basically, I see a dog and pony show for the masses.

FWIW, as but one example:

Number of ethics complaints lodged during time in Congress:

Newt Gingrich - 84 lodged (... "cleared" by his "brethren" of 83)

Ron Paul - 0 lodged ... over almost 30 years

Seen much in-depth treatment of Gingrich's ethics complaints ?

I haven't.

The difference here seems to be that while you were gleeful before concerning the others, you're more on the pizzy side when it's Paul's turn.
It's a fair point, to an extent.

It's true - I'm a partisan and a supporter of Dr. Paul. However, what I see happening is targeted character assassination. Don't make the mistake of thinking this is not new news - it's been covered before.

Ask yourself this, given Dr. Paul's uncompromising stance, in terms of the dramatically reducing the size of government, who stands to financially lose ? Who stands to win ?

Did you look at my post, #14?
I believe I had already read all of what you are referring to .... before you ever posted it.

I cannot see how so many different newsletters over so many different years can escape his attention.
Some times the truth is stranger than fiction.

That's asking the country to believe an awful lot.
The country is already believing an awful lot ...... an awful lot that isn't true ... and it has been for a very long time. :(

Remember them WMD's in Iraq .... you know the ones that weren't there ?

Maybe it's time that we tried some truth for a change.
 
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Turtle

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I'm not offering my opinion or testimony to a court of law ..... just the one of public opinion :p
Oh, sorry, my bad. It's just that "Ron Paul did not sign it - it's not his signature" didn't seem to be all that opinion-like. It seemed, I dunno, what's the word.... unequivocal, absolute, factual, undeniable, indubitable, incontrovertible, unquestionable. One of 'em, anyway.

BTW, if one were to examine various of the documents that do have a signature (which I have) one would find that there several signatures which appear to be different than each other - and they are all different than Dr. Paul's actual signature.
"different than Dr. Paul's actual signature..." that assumes a lot. It assumes that Dr. Paul's "actual" signature is forever unchanging and has remained absolutely identical from his first attempt to his most recent signing, never having varied in the slightest. The one posted above from the Wiki page is actually different than the actual source of the signature:
 

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Turtle

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This thing speaks for itself. It's a Ron Paul Newsletter and it's signed by Ron Paul.
I had no idea EO was so chock full of handwriting experts. The problem is, of course, even an untrained idiot can see the newsletter signature is dramatically different from Paul's signature, and was almost certainly not penned by Paul himself.

The content is his.
What does that even mean? Does that mean you are asserting, with no evidence to support it, in spite of unequivocal statements by Paul and others to the contrary, that Ron Paul himself authored the piece? Or does it mean he owns the copyright of the newsletter?

Great Job, Dave KC. Let's see more of these, the truth will set Ron Paul free.:D
Absolutely. The more complete newsletters we can see, the better. The more we can find out about who exactly wrote the articles and who was sending them out on behalf of Ron Paul the better.
 

Turtle

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With this particular subject matter critical thinking skills not required.
Critical thinking skills are never required when one wants to take something at face value, to never go beyond the superficial.

The reader can digest the Ron Paul newsletter and come to a conclusion about the author without a terminal degree in English Literature and/or Politial Science.
That's true only if critical thinking skills are not employed and unsubstantiated assumptions are made. If, however, critical thinking skills come into play, such conclusions cannot be so readily made, since one must first determine who the author actually is, rather than assuming Paul himself actually wrote it. One must first possess a knowledge of newsletters in general, and of political newsletters in particular, and know how they are generated, and the level of participation the namesake usually has within them. Assumptions should not be made.

You must remain true to the MASTER Wormtail, no matter the conditions that adhere to the facts.
You must refrain from disparaging name-calling of other members, no matter the conditions of assumption passed off as fact, you mudblood muggle, you. :D

His signature is NOT his signature because you say so.
His signature is NOT his signature because it's clearly not his signature. Take a look at it and compare it to known Ron Paul signatures, and even a muggle such as yourself will come to the same conclusion.

The sky is yellow because you say so. Give him your right hand for the potion so the MASTER'S rebirth may be completeIndeed, Wormtail. Stumbling over an intelligent thought and falling into a reflective puddle of truth, however ironic, can benefit even you.
You can't make gross assumptions, draw conclusions from them, and then think they are facts, while at the same time talk about stumbling over intelligent thoughts. You just can't. No....no.... :rolleyes:
 

Pilgrim

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That's where my head is on the subject. What politician puts out a newsletter with their name on it and then doesn't know who wrote it? If that wasn't his feelings on these subjects, wouldn't he have been in a hurry to refute them from the start? Just sayin'........
Just to carry that train of logic one step farther - why would a congressman or senator allow "newsletters" like these to CONTINUALLY be published under his name for so long a time? Consider also that they were being published and copyrighted by Ron Paul & Associates. Has ANY other congressman or senator written a newsletter or publication with controversial comments like these, or allowed this type of inflammatory material to be published under his name by a corporation bearing his name even once - let alone over a period of +/- 20 years?? One would think that any prudent, self-respecting public official that discovers ANYTHING BEING WRITTEN, PUBLISHED AND SOLD under his name without his knowledge and expressed consent would IMMEDIATELY have a team of lawyers after the culprits armed with a salad of lawsuits plus cease and desist orders.

Finally, a collection of these publications has been put together so the public can get a better idea of what was being put out in Ron Paul's name:
Ron Paul Newsletters

This newsletter deal resembles the Barack Hussein Obama experience of attending the black separatist church of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years only to later disavow the racist, anti-American pastor and his radical sermons (which he claimed he never heard) when it became politically inconvenient during a run for POTUS. But despite this veneer of rejection, the black radicals continue to support Obama just as the white radicals support Paul en masse to this very day.
 

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Just to carry that train of logic one step farther - why would a congressman or senator allow "newsletters" like these to CONTINUALLY be published under his name for so long a time?
Just how long a time, exactly? It does defy logic, especially since the press eats stuff like up like crazy. I wonder where the press was at the time these were put out? That seems odd, too.

Consider also that they were being published and copyrighted by Ron Paul & Associates. Has ANY other congressman or senator written a newsletter or publication with controversial comments like these, or allowed this type of inflammatory material to be published under his name by a corporation bearing his name even once - let alone over a period of +/- 20 years??
These newsletters bearing racist comments were put out over a period of +/- 20 years? Really?

Or were they put out when he wasn't even in office?

One would think that any prudent, self-respecting public official that discovers ANYTHING BEING WRITTEN, PUBLISHED AND SOLD under his name without his knowledge and expressed consent would IMMEDIATELY have a team of lawyers after the culprits armed with a salad of lawsuits plus cease and desist orders.
Possibly. Especially if he was in office at the time. Maybe not if he was not in office and was in private practice when they went out.

Finally, a collection of these publications has been put together so the public can get a better idea of what was being put out in Ron Paul's name:
Ron Paul Newsletters
Well, I'm not sure if that collection will allow the public to get "a better idea", since the collection is a collection of partials not complete newsletters, which is by defintion out of context, and they are a collection (according to the TNR itself) of specifically the: TNR Exclusive: A Collection Of Ron Paul's Most Incendiary Newsletters. It's a hit piece where unbiased, impartial journalism isn't even pretended, so it must be viewed in that context to judge it's validity, and to be valid at all.

This newsletter deal resembles the Barack Hussein Obama experience of attending the black separatist church of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years only to later disavow the racist, anti-American pastor and his radical sermons (which he claimed he never heard) when it became politically inconvenient during a run for POTUS. But despite this veneer of rejection, the black radicals continue to support Obama just as the white radicals support Paul en masse to this very day.
Except that Obama was an active, willing participant in the church. But is your last comment actually true? Because you assume it is. Or at least have worded it as such. Do white radicals support Paul en masse? How do you know that? The reason I ask is, I personally know racists (A.K.A. white radicals) who do not support Ron Paul, and I know people who are not white radicals who do. So I'm confused by your "en masse" assertion.

Ron Paul has stated, "When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name. And everybody knows I didn't write them, and it's not my sentiment, so it's sort of politics as usual."

You can't ignore and dismiss what the man actually says, and instead take hold a of what he did not write, much less questions based on if/then logical fallacies, as being more valid than the man's own words.

See, the thing is, I'm don't have a dog in this fight, other than the truth. I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, nor a Ron Paul hater. I'm after the truth, the real truth, in context so it is understandable, and not merely the portion of the truth (or that passed off as the truth) which already supports my beliefs. Stating "I am balance" is disingenuous unless the balance you provide is also the truth unencumbered by bias. I'm not seeing it.
 

RLENT

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Stating "I am balance" is disingenuous unless the balance you provide is also the truth unencumbered by bias. I'm not seeing it.
I suspect many others aren't either ..... :rolleyes:

Dr. Paul has said that he failed to exercise proper responsibility in vetting and ensuring what went out under his name, accurately reflected his own personal views. He admits culpability and responsibility for failing to pay enough attention so that he was aware of it, that might have prevented it - even if he didn't personally write the objectionable content, or wasn't actually in a active management role in a publication, in which he had a minority (10%) financial interest in - and has repudiated the views expressed in no uncertain terms - repeatedly, over a period of many years.

Can anyone seriously believe that he hasn't learned anything from this entire experience, in terms of having his own personal positions and views inaccurately represented, and more importantly, his own personal responsibility for ensuring that those immediately around him, who are acting in his name, do so in a manner which appropriately represents who he actually is ?

The evidence that the above is most certainly true, is that since this matter came to Dr. Paul's attention, there have been no further instances of it.

In fact, he has roughly a 30 year public record of speaking and taking positions which are entirely contradictory to anything that might honestly be characterized as "racist" (provided you personally understand what his positions actually are)

Personally, as a citizen of this country, concerned about the direction of our nation, real competence and leadership, I think I'd be less worried about what this whole affair (which is more of rehashed media and partisan created tempest in a teapot) says ..... as opposed to what the following says about general lack of substance, in terms of the remainder of the Republican field, given that said individual is considered to be a "front-runner, by some:

A candidate who, as a consequence of his overly inflated ego and great "intellect", manages to single-handedly inspire the resignation of his senior campaign staff, including staff in key states, effectively dismantling his own campaign organization:

Senior Gingrich Staff Resigns En Masse

A candidate who during the primary race, is so unserious about what he ought to be doing, that is taking vacations and Greek cruises, rendering himself into a national joke (and folks wonder why the GOP isn't taken seriously):

Stephen Colbert: Newt’s ‘All-You-Can-Research’ Greek Cruise Explains Gingrich’s Other Scandals

A candidate, who, subsequently, utterly fails to organize and build a campaign organization, which then results in his failure to get his name on the ballot in the Virginia Republican primary - in the very state in which he has resided for at least last 12 years (if not in general area for an additional 20 years):

Gingrich’s Ballot Miss Could Shake Voters’ Confidence

And then whines about it, blaming "the system" for his own failures, lack of "vision" and utter incompetence:

Gingrich Campaign Slams Virginia Primary System After Failing to Qualify for Ballot

A candidate who, in the middle of the race for the Republican nomination, is still, as of yesterday, on the "book tour" apparently, making appearances touting his most recent book:

Newt Gingrich Drops In Polls, Keeps Signing Books, As Ron Paul Gains

And folks really think that this guy's long and sordid history of repeated ethical lapses, moral failings, and general incompetence demonstrates the kind of leadership, character, and "expertise" that this country needs ?

And that he is worthy of being considered as a legitimate candidate - and Dr. Paul somehow isn't ?

Seriously ?

If so, it certainly says alot about what we have become as party .... and perhaps as a nation .... :(
 
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greg334

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Now reading those "selected newsletters" through the proper link, it strikes me odd that Ron Paul would defend David Duke.

Did I miss something about the libertarian values Paul speaks of and aligning with someone who is doesn't even approach one of them for all of his life?

I'm still puzzled why the republican party ... oh never mind I just realized that about the time Duke switched parties, the republicans adopted the democrats as their mascot and their SOP writers.
 

Pilgrim

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Just to carry that train of logic one step farther - why would a congressman or senator allow "newsletters" like these to CONTINUALLY be published under his name for so long a time? Consider also that they were being published and copyrighted by Ron Paul & Associates. Has ANY other congressman or senator written a newsletter or publication with controversial comments like these, or allowed this type of inflammatory material to be published under his name by a corporation bearing his name even once - let alone over a period of +/- 20 years?? One would think that any prudent, self-respecting public official that discovers ANYTHING BEING WRITTEN, PUBLISHED AND SOLD under his name without his knowledge and expressed consent would IMMEDIATELY have a team of lawyers after the culprits armed with a salad of lawsuits plus cease and desist orders.

Finally, a collection of these publications has been put together so the public can get a better idea of what was being put out in Ron Paul's name:
Ron Paul Newsletters

This newsletter deal resembles the Barack Hussein Obama experience of attending the black separatist church of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years only to later disavow the racist, anti-American pastor and his radical sermons (which he claimed he never heard) when it became politically inconvenient during a run for POTUS. But despite this veneer of rejection, the black radicals continue to support Obama just as the white radicals support Paul en masse to this very day.

Just how long a time, exactly? It does defy logic, especially since the press eats stuff like up like crazy. I wonder where the press was at the time these were put out? That seems odd, too.
Looks like the earliest one shown at the link posted was April 1978, the last that was copied was from 1993. Since there aren't any copies or partials since that date, let's call it 15 years. And indeed - where has the press been with regard to this stuff? The Houston Chronicle and Dallas Morning News have done a couple of pieces, but nothing that got much traction.
Or were they put out when he wasn't even in office?
What difference does that make? Herman Cain was gratuitously accused of doing the messaround while not in public office, but he sure didn't get any sort of break on that.
Well, I'm not sure if that collection will allow the public to get "a better idea", since the collection is a collection of partials not complete newsletters, which is by defintion out of context, and they are a collection (according to the TNR itself) of specifically the: TNR Exclusive: A Collection Of Ron Paul's Most Incendiary Newsletters. It's a hit piece where unbiased, impartial journalism isn't even pretended, so it must be viewed in that context to judge it's validity, and to be valid at all.
A lot of them are partials, but at least it's a start. They show what was being published under Paul's name by a Ron Paul corporation.
Except that Obama was an active, willing participant in the church. But is your last comment actually true? Because you assume it is. Or at least have worded it as such. Do white radicals support Paul en masse? How do you know that? ... So I'm confused by your "en masse" assertion.
I suggest that you and anyone else who's curious visit some of these wacko websites such as Stormfront.org. I never claimed that EVERY white supremacist was a PaulBot, but there's a whole lotta love for Ron Paul being displayed at these places.
Ron Paul has stated, "When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name. And everybody knows I didn't write them, and it's not my sentiment, so it's sort of politics as usual."
He takes "Moral Responsibility" :confused: What exactly is that? Is that the type of responsibility that's supposed to allow him to avoid any possible consequences and not be held accountable by the voters? Talk about "politics as usual"...
You can't ignore and dismiss what the man actually says, and instead take hold a of what he did not write, much less questions based on if/then logical fallacies, as being more valid than the man's own words.
You gotta be kidding me; remember the validity of these words - "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky"? What he says means nothing unless one assumes he's a politician that doesn't lie. Furthermore, we don't know that he didn't write or didn't condone the stuff in the newsletters - we don't know who wrote the newsletters and he won't tell us who did. The fact that he won't come clean on that tells us a lot.
Stating "I am balance" is disingenuous unless the balance you provide is also the truth unencumbered by bias. I'm not seeing it.
So you're saying it's "disingenuous" to offer opinions (supported by publicly available evidence) that are contrary to the Paul orthodoxy that's so common in this forum? Are you also saying the pro-Paul opinions are the gospel truth unencumbered by bias?? My point of view is that what was written in the Ron Paul newsletters and published by a corporation that bore his name is worth consideration by the voters because it could reveal a side of him that he doesn't want exposed to daylight during his presidential run. The fact that he "disavows" the written statements and takes the Bart Simpson position that he didn't do it and doesn't know who did is about as credible as the infamous Clinton quote mentioned above. Here's the bottom line: he needs to come clean about who wrote and published the newsletters.
 

RLENT

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For those who appear to uninformed about the nature of ghostwriting (among other many, many things :rolleyes:)

The Ron Paul Newsletters: A Ghost Writer's
Perspective and Open Letter to James Kirchick


by Kathleen Gee

"Mr. Kirchick, this is in response to your politically timed "expose" on the thirty-year-old Ron Paul newsletters, "The Company Ron Paul Keeps." (Though, technically, to qualify as an "expose," your piece would have to include something new, which it does not.)

Not knowing your background as a writer, I'm not sure if you're familiar with ghost writing, how prevalent it is, or how to works. So following is my professional take on the Ron Paul Newsletters issue, as a professional ghost writer and marketing expert with over 20 years of experience.

How does ghost writing work?

I've been a direct marketing copywriter for nearly twenty-five years now, and 99% of that writing work was never attributed to me. I've ghost-written for CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies, as well as executive vice presidents, chief operating officers, chief marketing officers, chief financial officers, and various other c-suite executives; presidents, publishers, partners, principals, owners...well, you get the picture.

Very, very few top-level executives ever do their own writing. Armies of people like me are hired to create content behind the scenes. And it's extremely rare for a ghostwriter like myself to have any direct contact with the person for whom I'm ghost-writing. Generally, I'm hired and managed--and the work is reviewed and approved--by someone several steps below that executive on the food chain. My sense is that very few of the people I write for ultimately read what goes out over their names.

The Ron Paul brand

Brand management is a relatively new concept in marketing, and I doubt that managing the "Ron Paul" brand was much of a concern among anyone working on the newsletters, nor for Dr. Paul, who had returned to private practice after what was to be his first stint in Congress. When these newsletters were published, Dr. Paul may not have had any intention of running for office again, and thus may not have given the content of the newsletters much, if any, thought, as long as they were a good source of passive income.

But by the time Ron Paul returned to Congress, "Ron Paul" had become a brand, separate and distinct from Dr. Ron Paul, the physician who was running a busy private medical practice. "Ron Paul" had become a brand in the same way that "Martha Stewart" has become a brand. The Ron Paul newsletters had become something like Forbes Magazine—a publication that made money for its namesake and founder without his hands-on involvement. (Frankly, this is the optimal outcome in the publishing world—the outcome I have sometimes been hired to create for clients. This is the definition of success!)

How publications make money

The purpose of any for-profit publication is to make money by giving certain audiences the kind of content they prefer…because by doing this, the publication becomes a platform for advertisers to reach a desired demographic. The purpose of its content is to attract or serve a lucrative readership—period.

And back in the 1980s through the 1990s, there was increasing dismay over the lawless actions of federal law enforcement agencies against innocent Americans—demonstrated at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and the Waco siege in 1993. There was a market for commentary on these events and issues like gun rights, the Constitution, preparedness, home schooling, and self-sufficiency, and the Ron Paul newsletter capitalized on that market. That's what any successful publishing company does—identify a market and then create a product that market wants to buy.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase, "the views expressed on this program are not necessarily the views of staff, advertisers and/or management of this media outlet."

It's a fallacy to assume that all of the employees of the Martha Stewart brand were aware of—much less, guilty of—lying to investigators and deserved to be jailed like the publication's namesake, Martha Stewart. It's just as wrong to assume that the actions or opinions of every employee were endorsed by Martha. That's just not how these things work. And the same can be said for any publisher.

Thirty years ago, as today, the revenue stream from a newsletter often doesn't come from the newsletter itself (for example, through print ad sales or subscriptions.) The value is often in the mailing list, which can be rented to many other organizations, individuals, companies, causes, etc. Oftentimes, the content of the publication can become something of an afterthought, as long as the list still performs well, and subscription sales remain steady.

Pre-Internet niche communications

In the pre-Internet days of the 1980s and up through the mid-1990s, people in special interest groups (stamp collectors, survivalists, classic car buffs, investors, libertarians), communicated via newsletters, which were often promptly thrown away after being read.

I've never seen a copy of a Ron Paul newsletter, and it appears surviving copies are rare—judging by the amount of effort it took for you to assemble a collection of them. That would seem to indicate that they weren't taken very seriously by the recipients. It may also indicate that as commentary on current events, the content quickly became dated.

The character of the content

I read an article about the Los Angeles riots online which purports to be from a Ron Paul newsletter; however, I have no way of confirming it. (The newsletters would have been copyrighted material, so whoever posted it has violated the copyright in doing so. I imagine that the owner of the copyright would have worked to have any authentic materials removed from the Internet.)

But for the sake of argument, let's pretend that the article I read (which I no longer have a link to) was from an issue of a Ron Paul newsletter. It was allegedly written soon after the LA race riots—and is an understandably emotional reaction to the deaths of 53 innocent people and the injury of thousands, not to mention the $1 billion in property damage from over a thousand arson fires and countless lootings. For six days, crowds of criminals shut down south central Los Angeles, committing arson, assault, battery, vandalism and murder, often in front of law enforcement agents who were specifically told not to intervene. The perpetrators were frequently black; the targets were mainly non-blacks (Asians, Hispanics and whites.)

This article—several thousand words long—chronicles some of the worst incidents and touches on a laundry list of conservative and libertarian issues, including (if I remember correctly) gun control, racism, political correctness, law enforcement, the dangers of inter-generational welfare dependency, personal responsibility, and morality. One of the most frequently reproduced "smoking gun" quotes that purports to "prove" bias on the part of Ron Paul is from this article.

I read the article, expecting the worst, and was…puzzled. There's nothing racist about it (if you define "racism" as the belief that all members of one race are inherently inferior to all members of another race--typically, the one the racist belongs to.)

At worst, some passages can be described as very "politically incorrect" (which is not the same as "racist," nor is it the same as "untrue.") None of the passages struck me as being very far outside standard conservative thought—then, as now—that welfare is destructive to the recipients and an armed society is a polite (and looting-free) society.

Changing definitions of racism

The Ron Paul newsletters were limited-circulation niche publications that never had a general readership. The LA Riots article has the kind of non-PC tone one would take among like-minded friends around the dinner table, out of earshot of the PC police. Nowadays, these politically incorrect conversations take place under cover of anonymity on the Internet. In the 1980s and 1990s, they took place in ephemera like the Ron Paul newsletters.

And the "smoking gun" sentences simply aren't racist, though they certainly sound bad, removed from the context of historical events, and removed from the context of the article itself.

In fact, these sentiments were ultimately proven to have a lot of validity a decade later, when thousands of residents of New Orleans—many of them multi-generational welfare recipients—died in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as a result of decades of learned helplessness and government dependency. They didn't die because they were black; they died because they had lost all sense of personal responsibility and self-preservation, believing the government to be completely responsible for their welfare. This is the kind of tragedy Dr. Paul has warned about for 35 years.

To judge this article as "racist," you have to use today's definition of racism—which, according to collectivists on the Left, can only be perpetrated by whites—and can consist solely of disagreeing with the opinion of a black person, or saying something negative about a black person, no matter how factual the statement is. (So, Mr. Kirchick, by your standards, the previous paragraph was most certainly "racist.")

How can you tell Ron Paul didn't write it?

As a writer and editor, it's simple for me to notice stylistic differences in the way other writers express themselves. In fact, as a ghost writer, I'm hired to create content in someone else's "voice," so I have to be aware of these things—it's my job.

The ghost writer of the LA Riots article may have done an excellent job of appealing to the target market's preferences, but he certainly didn't do a good job of mimicking Ron Paul's writing style, nor his views (which, in fact, may often have been counter to the readership's views.)

However, if this was the kind of content the readership wanted, it would have served the editor's purpose of maintaining and/or increasing circulation.

I haven't read any other material purported to be from a Ron Paul newsletter from the period between his Congressional terms. I have, however, read several of Dr. Paul's books, and watched hours of his testimony before Congress (having been elected and re-elected to twelve terms, there is no shortage of public statements from Dr. Paul.)

The one article I read that is alleged to have come from a Ron Paul newsletter simply was not written by Ron Paul. Both the style and the content are markedly different from anything else I've read or heard from Ron Paul.

In this wealth of material written by Dr. Paul, or spoken by Dr. Paul, I have never—not even once—seen or read anything that contradicts his belief in the value of the individual. In fact, his entire career has demonstrated his commitment to fight groupthink, bias and prejudice based on race, religion or any other form of group identity.

So why doesn't the ghost writer come forward?

When I'm hired to ghost-write for a client, both parties sign an extensive non-disclosure contract that governs my work. Not only am I barred from claiming authorship of the work I create for hire, I'm typically barred from even acknowledging the business relationship between my client and myself. These agreements sometimes contain clauses that specify "liquidated damages" I would have to pay for breaking the agreement. So "outing" myself as a ghost writer could be financial suicide. What's more, it would be extremely hard for me land future ghost-writing jobs, having betrayed a confidence.

Why doesn't Dr. Paul "out" the ghost writer?

The newsletters were published by a corporation, not Dr. Paul personally, so any contracts would have been drawn up in the corporation's name. If there was a contract between the company that owned the newsletter and its ghostwriter(s)—which would have been standard—only a court order could induce Dr. Paul, as an officer of the corporation, to break that non-disclosure contract if the other party didn't agree to it. And why would the ghost writer agree, knowing he or she is certain to be labeled a racist and anti-Semite by the mud-slingers in the agenda-driven media? And there's no legal reason for either party to go to court to seek such an order.

Given Dr. Paul's personal integrity and belief in the sanctity of contracts, I can't imagine his ever breaking a non-disclosure agreement, even to refute allegations like yours, Mr. Kirchick. Not only would it be a violation of his principles, it could open him up to legal action for breach of contract.

As I've said before, I take Dr. Paul's word for it that he had little or no hands-on involvement in the operations or content of the newsletter after returning to his medical practice. He appears to have handed it off to a group of people to run on his behalf (people whose only goal seems to have been making as much money as possible, not preserving the value of the Ron Paul "brand" for political purposes). I believe him when he says he doesn't know who wrote all the content in that publication.

Who's the real danger?

In summary, Mr. Kirchick, I have worked as a ghost writer for over twenty years, and having worked on dozens of projects that are similar to the Ron Paul newsletter. I find it not just plausible, but likely, that Dr. Paul had no knowledge of the content of the articles published in the newsletters that had his name in the title.

The "****ing quotes" I have read that were purported to be from an article in a Ron Paul newsletter were not racist. At worst, they were politically incorrect—by today's standards, removed from historical context and removed from the context of the lengthy articles in which they appeared.

Nothing in any of Dr. Paul's public statements—or the books he has written himself—nor his behavior, nor his voting record—indicates any bias or bigotry on his part. The opposite is true, in fact.

Ron Paul's personal integrity is widely acknowledged, even by his opponents, as is his dedication to individualism and the principles espoused by one of his heroes, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

And here's the real issue, Mr. Kirchick. The gist of your argument is that Ron Paul is too dangerous a bigot to be elected to public office.

Had Dr. Paul not already been elected to high office numerous times—and had he not already demonstrated a total lack of bigotry in his words or deeds during two decades of service as a United States Representative—your argument may have held some water.

But unfortunately for you, Mr. Kirchick, the entire weight of Dr. Paul's public record goes against your conclusion.

What's more, even if he were the bigot you claim him to be (which he, demonstrably, is not), what kind of racist policy could he possibly implement, as president of the United States? Discrimination on the basis of race or religion is already a violation of federal law.

And should President Paul attempt to implement policies that reflect the imaginary racism with which you charge him, do you not think there would be a media firestorm from the likes of people like you?

Your article, far from being an attempt to protect America from the make-believe dangers of a Ron Paul presidency, is instead a rather transparent attempt to inject yourself into the GOP nominating process.

Destroying a good man's reputation to advance your own political agenda is despicable. But you know what's even worse than that? In rehashing this non-controversy for your own purposes, you may have helped create racial animosity that didn't exist before.

And that is simply inexcusable."
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ms Gee writes;

"Destroying a good man's reputation to advance your own political agenda is despicable. But you know what's even worse than that? In rehashing this non-controversy for your own purposes, you may have helped create racial animosity that didn't exist before.

And that is simply inexcusable."



Seems like the American way to me. :mad:
 
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