Romney and Paul kahoots?

[muttly]

Much has been written lately about the perceived alliance between GOP presidential candidates Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. Many are analysing why the campaigns seem to be coordinating with each other. They both also haven't run any commercials attacking each other. In debates they hardly go after each other and instead attack the other candidates. Some have wondered if there is a deal in the works . Such as possibly a prime time speech at the convention for Paul in exchange for his delegates. ( I don't know if that is plausable enough.)Possibly an aggreement to have Rand Paul as vice president nominee.(That would be an excellent choice) My question is would Ron Paul supporters go for a Mitt Romney and Rand Paul ticket? I heard on a radio show discussing this very thing and the answer from the Paul supporters was NO. They viewed Rand as a sort of neocon.(Their words).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...eorgia-debate/2012/02/23/gIQAD77gWR_blog.html

 

[john12666]

stranger things have happend .....but anyone but obama works for me

 

[layoutshooter]

NOTHING would surprise me. After all, they are all politicians. Can't trust any of them.

 

[Turtle]

Are you guys not aware of this season's hottest new Reality TV show?

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It's well known that you have to form alliances to keep from getting kicked off the island too soon.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yep the are ALL the same. Slimy duds.

 

[RLENT]

Much has been written lately about the perceived alliance between GOP presidential candidates Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. Many are analysing why the campaigns seem to be coordinating with each other.

LOL .... yeah ....

Of course, to have a valid analysis, the first thing that's required is accurate/correct data ...

That's probably where "the analyzers" should start.

They both also haven't run any commercials attacking each other.

..... really ?

Where did you hear that ?

In the case of Dr. Paul, this actually incorrect and entirely false - Romney has been repeatedly featured (and not in a positive light) in a number of Dr. Paul's ads:

And here's five more I found without much trouble:

Ron Paul - Consistent

Ron Paul - The One Who Can Beat Obama

Ron Paul - The One You Can Trust

Ron Paul - Washington Machine

Ron Paul - Believe

The above are only the ads done by the campaign - and do not include any the ads run by the three SuperPacs which are supporting Dr. Paul (I dunno about the SuperPac ads - would have to check them to see if the target any of the candidates specifically - in any event, Dr. Paul has no control over those)

In light of the above, one might wish to contemplate thoroughly the honesty of those that are pushing the "Ron Paul isn't attacking Mitt Romney in any of his ads" meme .....

My guess is that it's largely being pushed by Camp Santorum.

Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Rick has a rather hostile attitude towards Dr. Paul and libertarian ideals generally (to mention but two of many things he's hostile towards) ..... and that's not even pointing out the bad temper problem .... as evidenced him nearly jerking Dr. Paul's arm out of it's socket after the last debate, after Rick was literally beat to a pulp ....

You can tell it really got Rick's goat ..... primarily because he can't really defend himself against it ....

In debates they hardly go after each other and instead attack the other candidates.

I think it's largely a matter of strategy.

Based on Romney's polling and his failure to capture a majority of the support repeatedly (despite being proclaimed the "inevitable" one), the race for the nomination shaped up into a clear Romney/non-Romney paradigm.

A good strategy simply dictates that one (sequentially) remove the obstacles which are immediately in the way to where you are eventually going ....

Some have wondered if there is a deal in the works.

I suspect that "some" are not really wondering .... but are floating the idea anyways as part of a political calculation ....

Be that as it may (IMO): not likely .....

Such as possibly a prime time speech at the convention for Paul in exchange for his delegates. (I don't know if that is plausable enough.)

I'd guess the price for a Dr. Paul endorsement would be a great deal higher than that .....

The reality is, is that they really aren't Dr. Paul's delegates - AFAIK (and I could be wrong), he has no control over who they eventually support after the first vote - at best, he could make a case and try and persuade them to support one candidate over another ... but that's about it.

Possibly an aggreement to have Rand Paul as vice president nominee. (That would be an excellent choice)

It would be a good choice for Romney (for a variety of reasons) ....

It wouldn't necessarily be a good choice for the constitutional liberty movement, if that's the only item on the table.

My question is would Ron Paul supporters go for a Mitt Romney and Rand Paul ticket?

I'd imagine that some of 'em would .... and some of 'em wouldn't .....

Depends on the supporter I guess - chef has indicated that while he supports Dr. Paul, he plans to support the eventual nominee no matter who it is ...

I've indicated my reluctance to support any (of the other three) but Dr. Paul ....

..... so there ya go ....

My guess - and I could be entirely wrong - is that it is unlikely that more than 1/3 (if that) of Dr. Paul's supporters would support another candidate ....

I heard on a radio show discussing this very thing and the answer from the Paul supporters was NO. They viewed Rand as a sort of neocon. (Their words)

I dunno if I'd call Rand a neocon .... but he is Rand ....

And he's not exactly his father .....

 

[Pilgrim]

Much has been written lately about the perceived alliance between GOP presidential candidates Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. Many are analysing why the campaigns seem to be coordinating with each other. They both also haven't run any commercials attacking each other. In debates they hardly go after each other and instead attack the other candidates. Some have wondered if there is a deal in the works . Such as possibly a prime time speech at the convention for Paul in exchange for his delegates. ( I don't know if that is plausable enough.)Possibly an aggreement to have Rand Paul as vice president nominee.(That would be an excellent choice) My question is would Ron Paul supporters go for a Mitt Romney and Rand Paul ticket? I heard on a radio show discussing this very thing and the answer from the Paul supporters was NO. They viewed Rand as a sort of neocon.(Their words).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...eorgia-debate/2012/02/23/gIQAD77gWR_blog.html

Makes you wonder why Paul would run anti-Santorum ads in MI when he's not even actively competing in that state. Of course it's easy to understand why the other three candidates wouldn't waste their money running ads against a candidate like Paul who threatens none of them. Maybe Romney has promised him a suitable position in his cabinet - like ambassador to Easter Island.

 

[Turtle]

Secretary of State, or Secretary of Defense, probably.

 

[RLENT]

Makes you wonder why Paul would run anti-Santorum ads in MI when he's not even actively competing in that state.

Seriously, where do you guys come up with this crap ?

You should mebbe get out of the neocon echo chamber a little more - consuming that Levin/Limburger/Whatever diet on a steady basis will rot the mind:

"Ahead of Tuesday's Michigan Primary, Ron Paul addresses small business owners in Hudsonville, Michigan. Paul is in the second day of a three day, five event tour of the state. Arizona also will be holding its primary on Tuesday."

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RON PAUL ATTRACTS MORE THAN 1,400 MICHIGAN
VOTERS TO SMALL BUSINESS OWNER GATHERING

CSPAN Video: Ron Paul Addresses Small Business Owners In Hudsonville, MI​

Have look at that crowd in the photo above - and if you watch the video, notice that the intro speakers include Terry Bowman - a 15 year UAW member (who supports and promotes Right To Work)

RON PAUL ATTRACTS MORE THAN 1,450 SUPPORTERS AT CMU RALLY

But Michigan isn't the only state that needs a little TLC from the good Doctor:

RON PAUL ATTRACTS MORE THAN 1,700 SUPPORTERS TO OKLAHOMA CITY RALLY
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Of course it's easy to understand why the other three candidates wouldn't waste their money running ads against a candidate like Paul who threatens none of them.

Of course .... probably very similar to the way that "delegate counts" are "easy" to "understand" ....

Maybe Romney has promised him a suitable position in his cabinet - like ambassador to Easter Island.

.... more carefully considered, and no doubt very thoughtful, analysis from our resident "RealMuddledPolitics" delegate-tracker (in training) ....

 

[RLENT]

And in the general ongoing educational interest of how the delegate process works, Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight wrote up a pretty good piece a few days ago giving a fairly comprehensive overview and some possible scenarios:

The G.O.P.’s Fuzzy Delegate Math

 

[Turtle]

Seriously, where do you guys come up with this crap ?

Hey! I worked hard on that stupid sign. Brought it together with alliances and getting kicked off the island and everything. Crap? Yeah, sure, it's crap. But it's genius crap. Bachman, Cain, Perry and The Huntsman got kicked off. Now we're left with Mitt, Newt, Sanitarium and Uncle Ron. Newt's slimey, Sanitarium is genuinely fake crazy, Uncle Ron is too old and feeble to go it alone, despite having more energy than an army of preschoolers, and Mitt just stands there admiring the lakes and trees. The only way to make it to the Con-Tiki Campfire is for Uncle Ron and Mitt to team up against the other two.

 

[Pilgrim]

Secretary of State, or Secretary of Defense, probably.

They probably don't want him anywhere near foreign affairs. But how about Surgeon General? Considering Joycelyn Elders once held that post he'd fit the mold perfectly, and the medical field is an area where he's got actual experience, knowledge and qualifications.

 

[witness23]

These allegations make no sense what so ever.

Which tells me this is a desparate attempt by the Santorum campaign to paint Mr. Paul in a negative light and to try and minimize his influence that he obvioulsy has among GOP voters. People trying to paint this picture of Romey and Paul are only playing to the ignorant and completely uninformed specator of this primary. The allegations are somewhat baseless(see RLENTS posts) and ignorant at best. Let's just say what they are accusing the Paul campaign is accurate. Why would Mr. Paul attack Romney, he(Romney) has held firm around the 25% mark throughout the primary's, obviously its going to be Mitt and someone else, and you have what, 13 candidates thus far trying to catch Mitt? Systematically they have gone down everytime someone rises in the polls(refer to Turtles excelllent post above). It's Santorum's time right now and his torch will be extinguished by the end of the week.

To use "Survivor" as an example, the next tribal council, Santorum will be voted off, which leaves us with Romney, Paul and Gingrich. Gingrich has been spending time on exhile island waiting to come back, unfortunately he won't make it back and that leaves us with Romney and Paul.

Which I believe will be the final two looking to be the next "Survivor". Save it, remember it, I am predicting the race will be down to two, Romney and Paul.

Who will be the next "Survivor"?

 

[RLENT]

They probably don't want him anywhere near foreign affairs.

They might not prefer it .... but it might be the only way that they are able to put together a coalition that will pull in the independents and cross-over voters to beat Obama .....

Although I suspect if it's choice between sending off our sons and daughters (or very likely someone else's) to die in vain in foreign lands in order to "kill the brown people" .... versus actually something doing some sensible to beat Obama, it will be a no-brainer .... the Blue Hairs will go with "kill the brown people" every time .....

After all, Obamney will likely continue to ensure the SS checks arrive every month (at least until we reach full meltdown) .... and it's not like the Blue Hair's will actually have to go overseas themselves ..... senility having reached critical mass and all ......

But how about Surgeon General? Considering Joycelyn Elders once held that post he'd fit the mold perfectly, and the medical field is an area where he's got actual experience, knowledge and qualifications.

Well now .... that right there is pretty cute .... but if that's the best ya got, ya might as well stay home ....

The reality of the matter is if you want some real humor that just keeps on giving, you'd be far better off focusing on Commander MoonBeam™ or His Royal Frothiness™ ....

Want a real hoot ?

Head over to any of the various "conservative" web forums and watch the internecine warfare with these guys chewing each others legs off over either of these chowderheads ....

MoonBeam™ appears to have cratered, although he'll probably bump in his home state .... and Frothy continues to be his own worst enemy ..... 'cause he can't keep a cork in it .... and there is absolutely no evidence that he's smart enough to understand the damage he's doing to himself (and the GOP) by his continued inarticulate babbling about Satan, rubbers, and the pill .... (... talk about a Joycelyn Elders paradigm ...)

It's pretty funny (and actually quite telling) when the avowed opposition launches it's own GOTV effort in support of your campaign:

"In the same spirit, meet Daily Kos's "Operation Hilarity," launched by Markos Moulitsas on the site today:

It's time for us to take an active role in the GOP nomination process. That's right, it's time for those of us who live in open primary and caucus states—Michigan, North Dakota, Vermont and Tennessee in the next three weeks—to head out and cast a vote for Rick Santorum.

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Why would we do such a crazy thing? Lots of great reasons! …​

Several of the contests have produced razor-thin margins of victory. Rick Santorum won Iowa by 34 votes, Mitt Romney "won" Maine by 194 votes. It won't take many of us to swing contests the way we want them to swing.​

The longer this GOP primary drags on, the better the numbers for Team Blue. Not only is President Barack Obama rising in comparison to the clowns in the GOP field, but GOP intensity is down—which would have repercussions all the way down the ballot."​

Daily Kos announces 'Operation Hilarity'

The art of ridicule doesn't get much better than that ......

 

[RLENT]

MoonBeam's supporters listening to him deliver a stump speech in South Carolina - clearly they are a cheerful and enthusiastic lot:

 

[greg334]

Rlent,

Got to see Romney the other day and got to tell you it was like stepping into a funeral home. Now seeing I could not get in to see Paul, makes me wonder what's going on in Detroit where he was - serious Obama territory. Santorum was a couple miles away and I didn't see the 300 people that is being claimed, more like half of that and didn't bother to see him speak.

The thing about Paul is that the people in Detroit seemed to like his message.

 

[muttly]

Makes you wonder why Paul would run anti-Santorum ads in MI when he's not even actively competing in that state. Of course it's easy to understand why the other three candidates wouldn't waste their money running ads against a candidate like Paul who threatens none of them. Maybe Romney has promised him a suitable position in his cabinet - like ambassador to Easter Island.

I hear that Romney and Paul are friends. Their wives are freinds with each other too. The conservatives have picked up that they aren't attacking each other in the debates and the campaigns have reportedly been coordinating with each other on a weekly basis at least. Many conservatives believe Romney is the most liberal of the candidates so the alliance with Paul is very curious. If there is a deal between the two it is probably with his son Rand. I think Rand has stated that VP is something he would consider. My guess is that of the three remaining candidates Romney is the only one that Ron Paul would consider supporting if the right deal is struck. The reason I believe, other than that they are buddies is that Paul views Romney as the least neoconish of the three.

In all the debates Paul hasn't attacked Romney even once. Kahoots I say. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/...vals-39-times-but-never-once-attacked-romney/

 

[RLENT]

Rlent,

Got to see Romney the other day and got to tell you it was like stepping into a funeral home.

Don't doubt it .... after seeing footage of him speaking at his events it's hard to imagine that it would inspire much of anyone ... unless maybe the event was held on Wall Street .....

The guy is being too "careful" ... and trying way too hard to be something he's not ...

It just comes off as "false" ..... doesn't connect with the average dude on the street ....

Looks like he will get a substantial portion of the "zombie vote" tho' ....

Now seeing I could not get in to see Paul, makes me wonder what's going on in Detroit where he was - serious Obama territory.

Special Report on Fox just covered his appearance at the Little Rock Baptist Church in Detroit .... looks like he was very well-received, considering it is Obama territory .....

Apparently the last presidential candidate to go into the inner city in Detroit to campaign was Truman in 1952.

I just read on the DP that Dr. Paul packed in over 3,800 up at MSU in Lansing .... here's a link to a new photo:

Santorum was a couple miles away and I didn't see the 300 people that is being claimed, more like half of that and didn't bother to see him speak.

Sounds similar to what happened in IA ....

There's probably a very good reason why Santorum's website doesn't have any pictures of his events ....

Santorum's problem is the exact opposite of Romney's: he's being exactly who he is .... and that scares the bejebbers out of a lot of folks ......

The thing about Paul is that the people in Detroit seemed to like his message.

I think most sane and rational folks do .... if they can get past the MSM/neocon spin and fear-mongering ..... and really listen to exactly what he's saying ....

I would have liked to come up and attended one of the events .... but we had family coming in from out of town today so that wasn't gonna happen ....

Tonight's entertainment: filling out my 2012 Presidential Platform Survey from the Republican National Committee .....

Needless to say: there will be no donation enclosed when it gets mailed back ....

 

[greg334]

Well after the Romney event, there was a little Q&A, he was asked about the tax system and changing it. I don't remember his exact words but it came down to the comment that he wants just to change the tax rates and not the system. Lost my vote with that comment.

 

[RLENT]

I hear that Romney and Paul are friends. Their wives are freinds with each other too.

That's correct - but it's important to qualify what it is .... and what it isn't ....

Paul likely has some degree of respect for Romney for his success in the private sector and his managerial abilities. Also Romney's respect for family values.

I think it's more of a matter professional respect .... as opposed to "Hey, we'll be over at 3:00 to watch the game and hang out ...."

The conservatives have picked up that they aren't attacking each other in the debates and the campaigns have reportedly been coordinating with each other on a weekly basis at least.

There is likely some degree of coordination between all of the campaigns (it's already been reported that there was between the Romney and Santorum campaigns in MN) .... although I suspect that whatever is happening is largely informal ....

Many of the pro's involved do know one another and they do talk - to further their own, or the campaign's interests, that they are currently working for ...

BTW - reported by who ?

Many conservatives believe Romney is the most liberal of the candidates so the alliance with Paul is very curious.

All different ways of looking at it ....

Of course, there's many folks that self-describe as conservatives .... that others that call themselves "conservative" wouldn't consider conservative at all .....

If there is a deal between the two it is probably with his son Rand. I think Rand has stated that VP is something he would consider.

Actually, I think what he said is that would it be an honor (for him) for someone to consider him as their pick as vice-president .... not that he would consider it.

Big difference.

OTOH, IIRC he didn't rule it out either ....

My guess is that of the three remaining candidates Romney is the only one that Ron Paul would consider supporting if the right deal is struck. The reason I believe, other than that they are buddies is that Paul views Romney as the least neoconish of the three.

That's my sense as well - out of the three, Romney may pose the least danger of continuing the insanity of foreign meddling and the overseas wars which are bankrupting us ..... just due to personal temperament .....

In all the debates Paul hasn't attacked Romney even once. Kahoots I say.

LOL ... yup ...... and Obamney was born in Kenya too dontcha know ...