Road Searches: No good answer

TeamCaffee

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What do you think this will do the scales in Tennessee? We could either get pulled in for a inspection and wait for an inspector or we could get the bypass lane more often. This rule could be like others it looks good in print but in reality life goes on and nothing happens.


Road Searches: No good answer
By: TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF
Published: December 13, 2011 Richmond Times Dispatch, December 13, 2011


Truckers and bus drivers in Tennessee have a new irritant: The Volunteer State has become the first to begin inspecting big vehicles for potential terrorist devices. Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams will operate five weigh stations and two bus depots.

"Where is a terrorist more apt to be found?" asks Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security Commissioner Bill Gibbons. "Not these days on an airplane — more likely on the interstate."

That's probably a tough statement to prove, but assume he's right. Why stop with trucks and buses? Most VBIEDs — vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices — are carried by cars and light-duty trucks, not 18-wheelers. If Gibbons is right, then Tennessee should be inspecting every vehicle, just as airports inspect every passenger.

And that, of course, is the problem. Suicide bombers could be anywhere — on the road, at the mall, outside the elementary school. Security agencies either have to search everybody, all the time — an impossible proposition — or they have to search only certain people.

If they search only certain people, then they have to do it one of two ways. First, they could focus on those they suspect would be most likely to commit mayhem. This leaves them open to charges of racial, ethnic and religious profiling like those that have been brought against the FBI and the New York Police Department. (They can avoid this through behavioral profiling like that employed by Israel, but that leaves them open to the charge of invading personal privacy.)

Second, they could search people at random, hoping to find the occasional terrorist by sheer dumb luck. But that leaves them open to the charge of wasteful stupidity. And neither of the two selective approaches can be anything like 100 percent effective anyway.

A long line of angry truckers, it seems, may be the least of their problems
 

davekc

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They probably will get sued by someone over this depending on how it is implemented. On the surface it appears to be another enhanced revenue program.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I don't know..the new super coops look to have all the toys they need....heat / x-ray/ radiation detectors...seems they know quite a bit and ya don't even have to stop...
 

purgoose10

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I don't know..the new super coops look to have all the toys they need....heat / x-ray/ radiation detectors...seems they know quite a bit and ya don't even have to stop...

And thats because of the never ending Homeland Security grant money the government hands out to law enforcement.
"What can we buy now?" :rolleyes:
 

mjmsprt40

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I know I risk opening a can of worms I'd rather not open here, but if I were a government official really intent on finding/preventing vehicular terrorism I'd have to look awfully hard at the standard white cargo van. They're ubiquitous, absolutely nobody pays serious attention to them, so you can hide one of these machines in plain sight until the bomb goes off. A G2500 like mine can hold a convincing amount of explosive material so the "true believer" can do his dirty deed and then go be with his 72 virgins, too.

If I were a terrorist with the idea of using a big truck to do my dastardly deed for the day, I might consider the gasoline tanker before any other big truck. Terrorist wants big "boom".
 

purgoose10

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I know I risk opening a can of worms I'd rather not open here, but if I were a government official really intent on finding/preventing vehicular terrorism I'd have to look awfully hard at the standard white cargo van. They're ubiquitous, absolutely nobody pays serious attention to them, so you can hide one of these machines in plain sight until the bomb goes off. A G2500 like mine can hold a convincing amount of explosive material so the "true believer" can do his dirty deed and then go be with his 72 virgins, too.

If I were a terrorist with the idea of using a big truck to do my dastardly deed for the day, I might consider the gasoline tanker before any other big truck. Terrorist wants big "boom".

That's very true.;)
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
And then there is always this .....
Utterly disgusting .... how is it that we've allowed our once free nation to come under the control of such mindless, authoritarian, and disrespectful jack-booted thugs - who by their very actions intentionally intimidate and harass the law-abiding citizen ..... and seem to do so with a particular pleasure and relish of their authoritarian sadism ?

Submit ...... obey .... lick my boots ....

.... three terrorists a day through Buffalo .... shyeah, right .... what a frickin' joke ....

The officer's assertion that they are hiding such plots and people is absolutely ridiculous - he is an total lying sack of **** - since it is through the very publicizing of such things that they justify their continued existence and authoritarian power - its the only way they can.

Read up on most of the so-called "terror plots" (beyond what you get in the MSM) - most of it is stuff where the TSA/FBI or other law enforcement has ginned up what happened ..... and caused it themselves, by providing the means and inflaming and inciting someone to do something ...... that they probably wouldn't have otherwise done.

If we as a nation allow this crap to continue in the name of "national security" we certainly did not deserve the liberty that we once had .....
 
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AMonger

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If we as a nation allow this crap to continue in the name of "national security" we certainly did not deserve the liberty that we once had .....

Just from the liberties we've already lost, it may be concluded that bin Laden won.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
 

60MPH

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Total B.S. revenue maker, is all this will be. I feel sorry for those that travel in that state in a CMV.
 

cheri1122

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Really makes me wonder whose freedom & rights our soldiers are fighting to preserve, because US authorities don't seem to think citizens still have any.
Yes, the Youtube vid was Canadian citizens, but arresting them for asking "Are you gonna shoot me?" [which was a reasonable question under the circumstances] because the US Customs officers called it a threat - that's unbelievable.

 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Really makes me wonder whose freedom & rights our soldiers are fighting to preserve, because US authorities don't seem to think citizens still have any.

Cheri, the last time I looked no US soldier has been fighting to preserve our freedoms and rights in the last 66 years. If this was the case, they would have occupied congress.

Yes, the Youtube vid was Canadian citizens, but arresting them for asking "Are you gonna shoot me?" [which was a reasonable question under the circumstances] because the US Customs officers called it a threat - that's unbelievable.

I bet if one was to do that on the Canadian side, the same response would have happened.

No matter...

My point of the Border Patrol being on patrol on the roads seems to hold some concern. Yesterday as I was driving down 75, somewhere around flatrock, there was a cop car with what appears to be an African-American fellow in the back seat and the cop up front and two BP guys ripping into his Lincoln. Now unless I'm mistaken, the guy didn't seem to be trafficking in humans and they seemed to be looking for something as part of a need to get the guy on anything. Maybe this is the abuse I can see that could happen to us. I have been told this afternoon which confirmed a bit of information I got a while back that the locals are using the BP as part of the "gotcha' " operations to cover their a**es because of the fact that the feds have a broader definition of "probable cause" than the states and the feds can make more of a case out of trivial things.
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
but the businesses are to make a profit . and we the people are to worship them .

keep sitting around *****ing about it . dont do anything . some body else will stand up for you .

keep drinking the koolaid .

from what i have read here some are seeing what is really going on . now look deeper .
i hope more see the truth and get out of their fairy tale life .
 

MCGohio1985

Active Expediter
I know I risk opening a can of worms I'd rather not open here, but if I were a government official really intent on finding/preventing vehicular terrorism I'd have to look awfully hard at the standard white cargo van. They're ubiquitous, absolutely nobody pays serious attention to them, so you can hide one of these machines in plain sight until the bomb goes off. A G2500 like mine can hold a convincing amount of explosive material so the "true believer" can do his dirty deed and then go be with his 72 virgins, too.

If I were a terrorist with the idea of using a big truck to do my dastardly deed for the day, I might consider the gasoline tanker before any other big truck. Terrorist wants big "boom".

Ok the. Time square bomber was in an suv so y are thay not looking at all the suv so to have all or some truck go thru x ray and bomb detection unit are a wast of time and money that is jest the governments way to say look at us were trying to do somthing even know that we know it a long shot it is ez to add to somthing all ready set up then start somthing new that might make more sence thay should take all the scanners and x ray unit to the ports and scan ever contaner that comes over seas that would make sense to me and and I say profile whatever and whoever thay need two if a women with red hair held up a bank the cops wouldn't stop every blond on the street right is that not profiling ?


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AMonger

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but the businesses are to make a profit . and we the people are to worship them .

keep sitting around *****ing about it . dont do anything . some body else will stand up for you .

keep drinking the koolaid .

from what i have read here some are seeing what is really going on . now look deeper .
i hope more see the truth and get out of their fairy tale life .

Cl, you crack me up with all that leftist stuff. Government is the goon, but you have a problem with business. Not that their hands are clean, because they partner with gummint to oppress us, but on a smaller scale, businesses are people. It's like when fools were promoting a boycott of BP stations just after the Gulf leak ; they failed to recognize that when you do that, the people you're hurting the most are local businessmen who run those stations and signed on before the leak, and all of their individual employees that depend on their checks to feed, clothe, and house their family.

You sound like Kramer on that Seinfeld episode on which Elaine is dating a communist and Kramer starts liking the idea of communism. "Government good! Business bad!"

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