Retailers Head for Exits in Detroit

chefdennis

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Not too many reason to even go there anymore....Oh you still have the old standbys, cobo joes, the joe itself, i won't go to the new stadiums, football or baseball.....fishbones, maybe the greektowne but its not on the top of most list (is it even there anymore?) Too bad, iut use to be a great town to spend a weekend in....auto races, boxing, hockey, baseball, football, great places to eat, ) i love goin to the Pontchartrain for a great meal....the chefs there were always the best and eating in the kitchen was always a special treat....its not the same anymore....but alas.........

JUNE 17, 2009

Retailers Head for Exits in Detroit
Shopping Becomes a Challenge as Auto-Industry Collapse Adds to City's Woes

By ANDREW GROSSMAN
Retailers Head for Exits in Detroit - WSJ.com

DETROIT -- They call this the Motor City, but you have to leave town to buy a Chrysler or a Jeep.

Borders Inc. was founded 40 miles away, but the only one of the chain's bookstores here closed this month. And Starbucks Corp., famous for saturating U.S. cities with its storefronts, has only four left in this city of 900,000 after closures last summer.

Detroit's Retail Exodus
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Fabrizio Costantini for the Wall Street Journal

Lochmoor Chrysler Jeep on Detroit's East Side has stopped selling Chrysler products, one of the 789 franchises Chrysler is dropping from its retail network.
There was a time early in the decade when downtown Detroit was sprouting new cafes and shops, and residents began to nurture hopes of a rebound. But lately, they are finding it increasingly tough to buy groceries or get a cup of fresh-roast coffee as the 11th largest U.S. city struggles with the recession and the auto-industry crisis.

No national grocery chain operates a store here. A lack of outlets that sell fresh produce and meat has led the United Food and Commercial Workers union and a community group to think about building a grocery store of its own.

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Discuss: Can Detroit recover from the recession and auto industry crisis? What will it take? One of the few remaining bookstores is the massive used-book outlet John K. King has operated out of an abandoned glove factory since 1983. But Mr. King is considering moving his operations to the suburbs.

Last week, Lochmoor Chrysler Jeep on Detroit's East Side stopped selling Chrysler products, one of the 789 franchises Chrysler Group LLC is dropping from its retail network. It was Detroit's last Chrysler Jeep store.

"The lack of retail is one of the biggest challenges the city faces," said James Bieri, president of Bieri Co., a Detroit-based real-estate brokerage. "Trying to understand how to get it to come back will be one of the most important keys to its resurgence -- if it ever has one."

Detroit's woes are largely rooted in the collapse of the auto industry. General Motors Corp., one of downtown's largest employers and the last of the Big Three auto makers with its headquarters here, has drastically cut white-collar workers and been offered incentives to move to the suburbs. Other local businesses that serviced the auto maker, from ad agencies and accounting firms to newsstands and shoe-shine outlets, also have been hurt.

The city's 22.8% unemployment rate is among the highest in the U.S.; 30% of residents are on food stamps.

"As the city loses so much, the tax base shrinks and the city has to cut back services," said Margaret Dewar, a professor of urban planning at the University of Michigan. That causes such hassles for retailers as longer police-response times, as well as less-frequent snow plowing and trash pickup.

While all of southeast Michigan is hurting because of the auto-industry's troubles, Detroit's problems are compounded by decades of flight to the suburbs.

Hundreds of buildings were left vacant by the nearly one million residents who have left. Thousands of businesses have closed since the city's population peaked six decades ago.

Navigating zoning rules and other red tape to develop land for big-box stores that might cater to a low-income clientele is daunting.

The lack of grocery stores is especially problematic. The last two mainstream chain groceries closed in 2007, when The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co. sold most of the southeast Michigan stores in its Farmer Jack chain to Kroger Corp., which declined to purchase the chain's two Detroit locations, causing them to close.

A 2007 study found that more than half of Detroit residents had to travel twice as far to reach a grocery store than a fast-food outlet or convenience store.

Michelle Robinson, 42 years old, does most of her shopping at big-box stores in the suburbs. When visitors staying at the hotel near her downtown office ask where to shop, she sends them to a mall in Dearborn, 12 miles away.

A few retailers are thriving. Family Dollar Stores Inc. has opened 25 outlets since 2003. A handful of independent coffee shops and a newly opened Tim Horton's franchise cater to workers downtown.

Discount grocer Aldi Inc. opened stores in the city in 2001 and 2005. A spokeswoman said the chain is "very bullish" on Detroit. Farmer's markets draw crowds looking for fresh produce.

Olga Stella, an official at the Detroit Economic Growth Corporation, works to persuade businesses to move to the city. She says companies have underestimated Detroit's economic potential and that Aldi and Family Dollar are proof there's money to be made here.

Meanwhile, the former Lochmoor Chrysler Jeep is now Lochmoor Automotive Group, a used-car dealership and repair shop. Gina Russo, daughter of the dealer's longtime owner, is being groomed to take over the family business. She has agreed to start selling small pickup trucks made by India's Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd.

Write to Andrew Grossman at [email protected]
 

layoutshooter

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Not too many reason to even go there anymore....Oh you still have the old standbys, cobo joes, the joe itself, i won't go to the new stadiums, football or baseball.....fishbones, maybe the greektowne but its not on the top of most list (is it even there anymore?) Too bad, iut use to be a great town to spend a weekend in....auto races, boxing, hockey, baseball, football, great places to eat, ) i love goin to the Pontchartrain for a great meal....the chefs there were always the best and eating in the kitchen was always a special treat....its not the same anymore....but alas.........

JUNE 17, 2009

Retailers Head for Exits in Detroit
Shopping Becomes a Challenge as Auto-Industry Collapse Adds to City's Woes

By ANDREW GROSSMAN
Retailers Head for Exits in Detroit - WSJ.com

This will be the entire country soon. Granholmnomics does not work neither will Obamanomics.
 

LDB

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(hearing a heavy South Carolina accent) Isn't that just a fiiiiiiiiine example of the absolute failure of the liberals and welfare?

Not sure why it seems to me that should be in a southern accent but for some reason it does. Liberals, welfare and all their socialistic ideas and programs just will not work in any way, shape or form. The idiots have been running those asylums (Detroit and Michigan) for too long. It's far beyond time for sanity to take control again. Sadly, the population is too firmly attached to the government teat to let that happen.
 

greg334

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A lot of that article is embellishment at it's best to show the demise of the city.

The first thing that comes to mind is the fact that they actually don't mention the reason for the Exodus.

Using the example of Lochmoor Chrysler is somewhat wrong, that dealership gave poor service like Van :censoredsign: Dodge did and did it to themselves. Beside there are other dealerships near by that gave better deals.

The example of the grocery stores doesn't tell the complete story of why.

Borders? I didn't know there was one there, and who cares, most of Detroit doesn't care about books, look at what they did to the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library, gutting the rare book collections, tossing out one of a kind books and making it a playground for.... well... never mind.

The big box stores have always been favored, they condem private property for target, CVS, Riteaid and others very fast, and the permits are always fast tracked.

Yes the city is one of the worst in the world, it ranks up there with some war torn cities. Yes there are problems but it is not as bad as Flint.

The focus has been on the downtown of the city, a place where the suburbanites can all around in relative safety because of the 500 cops on patrol, but a city is not the downtown, it is the communities that make the city where cops don't patrol that often and a lot of places have no street lights.

If you want to know why Lochmoor Chrysler closed its doors, or what made kroger decide not to purchase the Farmer Jacks in the city, take a drive by the train station or on the east side or just off of I75 at 6 mile and drive if you dare through what remains of the neighborhoods of the city.

But don't forget, the city's government is racist and very arrogant. They don't care about the people, just the money. They don't care about any election by district, but they want to remain a city wide vote for the council members in order to keep the power.

I laugh about the one ignorant line in the article;

Farmer's markets draw crowds looking for fresh produce.

Eastern Market is the same as downtown, it is geared for the suburbunite who thinks they are getting fresh and good food but sometimes that is not the case.

In the last 30 years the city has gone down hill and I really feel it has to do with people's standards being lowered. I won't go there for any games, or most anything else. I will be going there for Jury duty to the Coleman A Young County building soon, I will of vomit when I enter the place and be so relieved to get the h*ll out of that ****hole of a city.
 

layoutshooter

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A lot of that article is embellishment at it's best to show the demise of the city.

The first thing that comes to mind is the fact that they actually don't mention the reason for the Exodus.

Using the example of Lochmoor Chrysler is somewhat wrong, that dealership gave poor service like Van :censoredsign: Dodge did and did it to themselves. Beside there are other dealerships near by that gave better deals.

The example of the grocery stores doesn't tell the complete story of why.

Borders? I didn't know there was one there, and who cares, most of Detroit doesn't care about books, look at what they did to the Main Branch of the Detroit Public Library, gutting the rare book collections, tossing out one of a kind books and making it a playground for.... well... never mind.

The big box stores have always been favored, they condem private property for target, CVS, Riteaid and others very fast, and the permits are always fast tracked.

Yes the city is one of the worst in the world, it ranks up there with some war torn cities. Yes there are problems but it is not as bad as Flint.

The focus has been on the downtown of the city, a place where the suburbanites can all around in relative safety because of the 500 cops on patrol, but a city is not the downtown, it is the communities that make the city where cops don't patrol that often and a lot of places have no street lights.

If you want to know why Lochmoor Chrysler closed its doors, or what made kroger decide not to purchase the Farmer Jacks in the city, take a drive by the train station or on the east side or just off of I75 at 6 mile and drive if you dare through what remains of the neighborhoods of the city.

But don't forget, the city's government is racist and very arrogant. They don't care about the people, just the money. They don't care about any election by district, but they want to remain a city wide vote for the council members in order to keep the power.

I laugh about the one ignorant line in the article;

Farmer's markets draw crowds looking for fresh produce.

Eastern Market is the same as downtown, it is geared for the suburbunite who thinks they are getting fresh and good food but sometimes that is not the case.

In the last 30 years the city has gone down hill and I really feel it has to do with people's standards being lowered. I won't go there for any games, or most anything else. I will be going there for Jury duty to the Coleman A Young County building soon, I will of vomit when I enter the place and be so relieved to get the h*ll out of that ****hole of a city.

I too stay out of that rathole of a city. It was NOT that bad 40 years ago. I watched it go down hill for years as I was growing up. I saw good solid neighbors turn into slums in a matter of 3-4 years. I saw crime skyrocket. I heard that is was the fault of the suburbs not understanding the "Plight" of the inner-city. They we did NOT pay our share of taxes. ETC ETC. Detroit is a PRIME example of the Dumb-O-Crats plan to destroy this country. You can't blame Bush or the Re-Bum-Li-Cans here. It is Owned and operated by a one party, racist machine. THAT IS A FACT!!
 

Tennesseahawk

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Two reasons... urban blight, and a population ignorant of the workings of government and finance. 30% of the population on food stamps? Actually surprises me it's not higher.
 

layoutshooter

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Two reasons... urban blight, and a population ignorant of the workings of government and finance. 30% of the population on food stamps? Actually surprises me it's not higher.

Urban blight was caused by lazy people who were too lazy to work. There were ample jobs in Detroit in the mid-60's. Some were convinced that they were "owed" for this our that reason. Some were just scum. Either way I watched neighborhoods that were built at the same time as my dad's was go from nice clean areas to garbage in a matter of just a few years. My dad's is STILL nice. The few who tried were run out.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Urban blight was caused by lazy people who were too lazy to work. There were ample jobs in Detroit in the mid-60's. Some were convinced that they were "owed" for this our that reason. Some were just scum. Either way I watched neighborhoods that were built at the same time as my dad's was go from nice clean areas to garbage in a matter of just a few years. My dad's is STILL nice. The few who tried were run out.

The urban blight I'm talking about is the over-taxation typical cities experience. No wonder no grocery stores want to move there, not to mention corporations. Detroit is probably the worst managed city in the country, next to DC.

The funny thing is, the city council's answer to businesses leaving... raise taxes on the remaining businesses.
 
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layoutshooter

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The urban blight I'm talking about is the over-taxation typical cities experience. No wonder no grocery stores want to move there, not to mention corporations. Detroit is probably the worst managed city in the country, next to DC.

The funny thing is, the city council's answer to businesses leaving... raise taxes on the remaining businesses.

That is a real contributing factor. Detroit and Michigan are VERY anti-business. Much like Obama is. What you see here is coming to the entire country.
 

greg334

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Two things;
#1
The arrogance of the city council is illustrated with Monica Conyers. She may be going to jail, seeing she took bribes over the Synagro contract. She, Kawmee and his dad may all be going to jail - no big 8000 sq ft house in Dallas for Kawmee....

Well anyway she has invoked God, telling us he is helping her. She said "If you're not praying for me, you're just adding to the problem," and this morning as she is leabving her home with her armed gaurds, she accused the news of baiting her.

But then you have the people of detroit just don't get it. I heard this morning from a few callers into a local show that it is the whites that setup Monikaa and that the whites are only trying to take over the city.


#2
I've got a freind who owns a business in Detroit, since Kawmee has gotten into office, he has spent more money on inspections and repairs than he ever has int he 50 plus years of being there. He has to pay an inspection fee for each inspection by the way. 6 months before the stupid bowl came into town, they tore up his street and left it that way for 5 months after the d*mn thing was over. Our Governor was promising the businesses along his street and others that it would be done in record time but she failed to mention that funding was only partly paid for by the state and gthe rest paid for by the city. Well the city had other ideas, like the clean up along I94 and pushing for ripping down of some historical sites. All in All the Stupid bowl was a failure for detroit and we never recouped the cost of it when the audit report came public BUT Pittsburgh was the real winner, when they won, the city went on a marketing blitz that brought in a lot of new business for them - we got the dumb looking football bridge.
 

Tennesseahawk

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I hate to say it, but Detroit is a fine example of what strengthens those who would say blacks are inferior to other races. They got control of Detroit in the 60s, ran other races out with the riots, kept a corrupt mayor in for almost 40 years, ran a good mayor out of town, then elected another corrupt mayor. Detroit's population, much like most of New Orleans, does not care.

You deserve what you got, Detroit. Unfortunately, the rest of Michigan doesn't deserve YOU.
 

aristotle

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Forty years of white flight has consequences. Not only white flight, but middle class blacks and others who had the means, saw it in their best interest to depart Detroit.

Squalor. Indifference. Corruption. Detroit has become our Mogadishu.
 

greg334

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No Thawk, it isn't a black thing, it is a white thing for sure. The people who allow a lot of this to happen are the same ones who are afriad of being called racist if they oppose anyone south of 8 mile. It is like the coleman baby days, remember if there was anything that put the spot light on coleman, he screamed racist.

after spending years down in the bottom of the city, there are a lot of good people who want change, real change and they may finally get it.
 
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