Republican meltdown??

[greg334]

I got an email with this link in it.

Ann Coulter will vote for Hillary

Is this what the party has come down to?

 

[Turtle]

Yes, that's exactly what the party has come down to. Look at the choice of candidates. Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum, or the 'tard. Take yer pick. If the Republican Party had any sense they'd just up and kidnap Ron Paul and give him the cape.

 

[greg334]

You know I would rather see someone like Neal Boortz in there instead of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has two things that really scare me, one is the removal of the country on the foreign stage and the other is eliminating the IRS and not replacing it with anything. The system will crash hard if either of these two take place and I know that outside of that he will not get a thing done because he would be too focused on those two.

Most everything else, the republicans should embrace BUT they should do with McCain what the Dems did with Lieberman.

 

[Turtle]

Those two scary things about Ron Paul are indeed scary, but, fortunately, he cannot act alone. There is only just so much damage any one president can do, for the most part. If he hits hard on the IRS, maybe IRS reform will happen. With a National Sales Tax or a Flat Tax, the IRS in its current form will not be needed, anyway. If he hits hard on isolationism, maybe we'll be more selective in our foreign meddling, and our nation building.

 

[greg334]

If he hits hard on the IRS, maybe IRS reform will happen. With a National Sales Tax or a Flat Tax, the IRS in its current form will not be needed, anyway.

I don't think that he would be able to actually do much with the IRS, others have tried and we ended up with a sub-constitution that is still ignored (remember the tax payers bill of rights?).

Honestly if we look at a replacement tax and moved toward that, it may be the best thing for us and the country. I not to thrilled at the flat tax because it does not relieve the burden we have as tax payers.

but I am for anything that will help me and you and not too worried about the rich paying their 'fair' share but I am also of the mindset that the government needs to get out of things that they were not supposed to be involved with.

 

[RLENT]

So Greg I take it from your statements above about "removal of the country on the foreign stage" that you are a fan of foreign meddling by the US in other countries internal affairs ?

I say that because what Ron Paul is for isn't being totally isolationist - he's all for maintaining relations and trading with foreign countries. He just doesn't believe that the US should be involved in the internal affairs of other sovereign nations. That used to be a Republican value, until the neocons rolled into town.

And some wonder why it is that the US is poorly regarded throughout the world - the fact is, it is not the US as a country, or the citizens that are disliked - it our government that is hated - largely because of the actions (or failure to act) that the government has taken. If we continue to let our Federal government act as it as for the last 50 years or so with regard to foreign meddling there will come a day when we as a people are hated - and rightly so.

If we want no foreign power to be involved in our internal affairs, then the bext example we could set would be - to stay out of the affairs of others.

In regards to eliminating the IRS, at least he's not like Bush, who basically sabotaged IRS and tax code reform by who he appointed to the commission to revamp the code and agency, while under the cover of being for reform. While Ron Paul is for eliminating the IRS, as Turtle points out, he is but one man - and not a king (unlike some others in the Republican party who I'm sure aspire to it) - there's little he can do on his own to eliminate the agency or the 16th ammendment. And I seriously doubt that Ron Paul, being the sensible guy that he is would do so without having a solution in place to fund the basic necessities of government.

Eliminating the IRS isn't even currently a part of his Comprehensive Economic Plan.

At any rate, I think you give the Congress far, far too little credit - over the past 100 years Congress has repeatedly been put to the test - and demonstrated it's ability to come up with new and novel ways to tax the American public and suck the dollars out of our pockets. Rest assurred, government will not go unfunded and the system will not "meltdown"

And as far as Neal Boortz goes .... last time I looked he wasn't running .... but hey who knows ? .... maybe he'll get into the race and end up being the first radio talkshow host to become President ......

 

[greg334]

So Greg I take it from your statements above about "removal of the country on the foreign stage" that you are a fan of foreign meddling by the US in other countries internal affairs ?

I say that because what Ron Paul is for isn't being totally isolationist - he's all for maintaining relations and trading with foreign countries. He just doesn't believe that the US should be involved in the internal affairs of other sovereign nations. That used to be a Republican value, until the neocons rolled into town.

And some wonder why it is that the US is poorly regarded throughout the world - the fact is, it is not the US as a country, or the citizens that are disliked - it our government that is hated - largely because of the actions (or failure to act) that the government has taken. If we continue to let our Federal government act as it as for the last 50 years or so with regard to foreign meddling there will come a day when we as a people are hated - and rightly so.

If we want no foreign power to be involved in our internal affairs, then the bext example we could set would be - to stay out of the affairs of others.

Rlent
I am for reduction in involvement overseas, don’t get me wrong but I can’t understand why NATO still exists without the Soviet Union or why we are still putting money and man power into areas that are stable and not going to collapse.

But I think that it is not all the time the US that has been too involved but the world has been too dependent on us and one group that has been involving us into internal affairs of other countries is the UN. A couple of examples are in Africa, a place where there has been killing one another for a long time before European colonized it. Darfur is one area that we are being blamed for not being involved by not providing man power or money but those who blame us don’t understand that the UN has not been doing anything too and will not unless we are fully involved. Somalia is another, where we were involved with the UN as UNITAF coalition, even though we should not have been there at all.

Understanding the stability we have provided to regions that need a strong show of force has been a double edge sword and we as a country are looked down upon when we have done a dirty job or when the job is over.

I was told once by a French man that our country has been meddling in others affairs since we became a country. I reminded him that if it was not for the US, Europe today would still be under Fascist rule and more likely than not he would be speaking German. I also reminded him that we were in Algiers and Lebanon when the French were making a mess out of it, and let’s not forget about Vietnam and their need not to let a colony loose after the war.

What I think is we are hated as a people, not because of our government but because of our wealth as a nation. Traveling to some places in Africa, I was faced with a lot of hatred while working; it was not because of my color but my country. We are held in contempt and most of the time we fail to understand that it is not our place to judge, to intervene or to stop some of the things that has gone on but have been dragged into things where a strong country was needed. We have taken our cues from the UN and nbeing involved with NATO, this is where we must cut our ties with and to allow us to act more independent on world issues.

Well back to Ron Paul.

I think that Ron Paul is talking about isolation and as quickly as he can possibly get it done, he may. The interviews I have seen him in, when the foreign policy questions were asked, he was plain about the need to get the US out of involving itself with other countries.

In regards to eliminating the IRS, at least he's not like Bush, who basically sabotaged IRS and tax code reform by who he appointed to the commission to revamp the code and agency, while under the cover of being for reform. While Ron Paul is for eliminating the IRS, as Turtle points out, he is but one man - and not a king (unlike some others in the Republican party who I'm sure aspire to it) - there's little he can do on his own to eliminate the agency or the 16th ammendment. And I seriously doubt that Ron Paul, being the sensible guy that he is would do so without having a solution in place to fund the basic necessities of government.

Eliminating the IRS isn't even currently a part of his Comprehensive Economic Plan.

At any rate, I think you give the Congress far, far too little credit - over the past 100 years Congress has repeatedly been put to the test - and demonstrated it's ability to come up with new and novel ways to tax the American public and suck the dollars out of our pockets. Rest assurred, government will not go unfunded and the system will not "meltdown"

And as far as Neal Boortz goes .... last time I looked he wasn't running .... but hey who knows ? .... maybe he'll get into the race and end up being the first radio talkshow host to become President ......

I agree that it takes a congress to run a country, but I do think that the revenues will not catch up to the expenditures any time soon if there is a complete abolishment of the IRS and the income tax as he has said over and over.

 

[Robsdad]

In reference to the original topic Republican Meltdown. I will add my take.
When as manager I had to hire supervisors to oversee daily electrical and mechanical maintenance. These supervisors were encouraged to think for themselves and to make the right decisions. But if there were major breakdowns these all had to be brought to me and a round table discussion took place. The decision was then made by myself at that point on how to most efficiently handle this project. So in a nutshell it was my head. However if the information brought to me was incorrect and I did not sufficiently investigate prior to making this decision. Fired !!!!!!!!!
Now our current leader did basically the same thing as myself in believing in other people he hired to deliver the right information. They gave him bogus information. He did no investigation on his own. Refused to fire the ones who gave him this wrong information. And you wonder whats wrong with the REPUBLICAN PARTY. Think about it. Vote for McCain and expect more of the same, with one exception. We will be in every conflict that you can imagine with his war machine antics. God help us all.