Religious dudes and dudettes - a Judas question

WanderngFool · Nov 30, 2013

So I just did my first and only religious google and the Bible gives not 1 but 2 possible answers that contradict each other. It seems a simple thing and it's not like Judas played a minor role.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=...14.0....0...1c.1.32.hp..1.16.1706.1YlfzTbQA2k

I don't think I'm taking a cheap shot when I say that quality control isn't what it might be.

Maverick · Dec 4, 2013

Not sure of the question? Two separate descriptions of one death....by hanging.

Judas hung himself over guilt of betrayal, the other is a description of aftermath.

No contradiction at all.

Bible Study - Aceldama

WanderngFool · Dec 5, 2013

Maverick said:
Not sure of the question? Two separate descriptions of one death....by hanging.

Judas hung himself over guilt of betrayal, the other is a description of aftermath.

No contradiction at all.

Bible Study - Aceldama

Oops - my link showed the question I asked google but I should have made it more clear. Sorry. Yes, I was asking "how did Judas die?".

This page also does a decent job of showing the contradiction and then offering an explanation.

How Did Judas Iscariot Die? - Bible Contradictions - Acts Apostles autos Contradictions regarding Narrative Field of Blood Hakeldama Holy Spirit Judas Iscariot KJV Luke Matthew NASB Peter Pharisees Potter's Field Theophilus Zechariah ????? ????? - LU

So I guess it boils down to translation problems. In other words quality control problems.

paullud · Dec 5, 2013

WanderngFool said:
So I guess it boils down to translation problems. In other words quality control problems.

Plenty of issues with translations and people deciding what they felt belonged in the Bible.

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layoutshooter · Dec 5, 2013

paullud said:
Plenty of issues with translations and people deciding what they felt belonged in the Bible.

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Well, you do have translations of translations, of translations. People have always "decided" what went into the Bible. The Books were complied by people. They were written over several centuries. Politics have come into play, religions bias etc. I wonder what many today would say if they were capable of reading the hand written copies from 1000 years ago. I would venture to guess they would be VERY different than what we see in print today. I would bet some would even argue that they are "wrong".

skyraider · Dec 5, 2013

Yes the scrolls are old. It would be nice if the old boys had had computers, vaults to seal paper writings in good for a million years, but , well , they didn't. So here is some more data..............http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah

davekc · Dec 5, 2013

If everything written was accurate, you would only have one religion.

aquitted · Dec 5, 2013

Thats why you buy a strongs concordance and learn how to use it if your serious about bible study.

Ragman · Dec 5, 2013

layoutshooter said:
Well, you do have translations of translations, of translations. People have always "decided" what went into the Bible. The Books were complied by people. They were written over several centuries. Politics have come into play, religions bias etc. I wonder what many today would say if they were capable of reading the hand written copies from 1000 years ago. I would venture to guess they would be VERY different than what we see in print today. I would bet some would even argue that they are "wrong".

Would this help?

layoutshooter · Dec 5, 2013

Ragman said:
Would this help?

Not me, I am not concerned, the Bible is what it is. It got here how it did. That's it.

WanderngFool · Dec 6, 2013

They should have just written the Bible in English and saved everyone a lot of trouble. lol

Maverick · Dec 7, 2013

aquitted said:
Thats why you buy a strongs concordance and learn how to use it if your serious about bible study.

Beware of any "new" books found or written. The KJV of the book is the translation running from the time of translation, until now. Pretty sure God did not run anything new by us after the original. Many a "man" has added to, and subtracted from, the original text.

Change a word here, add a word there.......and we have a book catering to modernism concepts and progressive "me" religion. Nothing has changed, with the exception of man changing it.

Malachi:3

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

layoutshooter · Dec 7, 2013

The "original" compiling and translations of the books of the Bible pre-date the KJV by at least 300, and more like 1000 years. The KJV was translated around 1611. There are "original" translations, into many languages, dating back to around the year 340, give or take a year or two.

Maverick · Dec 7, 2013

layoutshooter said:
The "original" compiling and translations of the books of the Bible pre-date the KJV by at least 300, and more like 1000 years. The KJV was translated around 1611. There are "original" translations, into many languages, dating back to around the year 340, give or take a year or two.

Right you are LOS.

Here's a guy., who not only confirms your point, but may I be so bold as to state...my point as well.

Give this man a KJV Bible and a Sprinter Van.

Why King James Bible Only? Bible Questions with Michael Pearl - Episode 027 - YouTube

layoutshooter · Dec 7, 2013

I don't condone, nor do I condemn, any "version" of the Bible. ALL "versions" have been translated to satisfy a "need" of one sort or another.

One can even argue that the "original" 27 books of the "catholic epistle", or "general epistle", were in circulation by the the year 100.

Do NOT confuse the word catholic with the Catholic Church. They are not related. Here is a link to the origins of the word going back to the Greek.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ori...7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Maverick · Dec 7, 2013

I don't condone, nor do I condemn, any "version" of the Bible. ALL "versions" have been translated to satisfy a "need" of one sort or another.

That would about sum things up for this discussion.

Have a good one, and be safe out there.

layoutshooter · Dec 7, 2013

Maverick said:
That would about sum things up for this discussion.

Have a good one, and be safe out there.

And you too!

Big Al · Dec 7, 2013

I prefer the New American Standard. King James seems a little too difficult for me. I even need close captions when watching British TV. The main difference is between a translation and a paraphrase. Paraphrase is the Living Bible, Amplified,etc. My main concern is the Holy Spirit leading your Bible Study or are you researching for other reasons.

WanderngFool · Dec 7, 2013

I'm going to make a confession here.

Not that anyone asked. Why should you?

But what brought up my Judas question was this. 40 years ago I was bowled over by Jesus Christ Superstar. I haven't heard it since, at least not the lesser album tracks. Why it popped into my head a week or two ago I don't really know but wow! It's at least at good as I remember and I've listened to a few of the tunes several times.

I remember there was a bit of a ruckus with the religious community when the album first came out. Whatever "poetic license" they took to make a commercial record was scorned by some.

But what a musical score and what an amazing cast. Ian Gilliam of Deep Purple fame was Jesus Christ. An amazing voice if ever there was one. I never knew it was Murray Head (One Night In Bangkok) that sang the part of Judas. The beautiful voice of Yvonne Elliman sang Mary's part. And of course the amazing Rice-Webber score.

Worth a listen imho.

Jesus Christ Superstar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Gives you the track listing.

Jesus Christ Superstar (1970) full cd - YouTube Gives you the full 2 record album.

Maverick · Dec 7, 2013

But what brought up my Judas question was this. 40 years ago I was bowled over by Jesus Christ Superstar.

Bowled over might be a good description.

I remember there was a bit of a ruckus with the religious community when the album first came out. Whatever "poetic license" they took to make a commercial record was scorned by some.

Much like the new version of blasphemy.....Passion of the Christ. This would be the epitome of the total apostasy of the modern church. Neither of these productions are biblical, nor do they convey principal.

Any true Christian would shun them both.