Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, yep.
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AMonger
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Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
No one who doesn't worship Christ can be friends with God, at all, in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
2 responses,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,guess this was not a national bell ringer... but if u met him in person, you may become friends. He , Pastor Bobby , has a great church of 2000 members( Cookeville,tn). He started out 6 or 7 years ago with maybe 25 members, he is a good man...imho.
2 responses,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,guess this was not a national bell ringer... but if u met him in person, you may become friends. He , Pastor Bobby , has a great church of 2000 members( Cookeville,tn). He started out 6 or 7 years ago with maybe 25 members, he is a good man...imho.
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pandora2112
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Hahaha I actually agree with Amonger! I am not friends with Christ nor will I ever be!
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Hahaha I actually agree with Amonger! I am not friends with Christ nor will I ever be!
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lets keep it rolling ,,,now 3 or 4...............Hahaha I actually agree with Amonger! I am not friends with Christ nor will I ever be!
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Maverick
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Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
A huge number of people are very nice to meet and know. However, that alone is not an indication of a saved person. Likewise, membership and mega churches can be modern examples of the falling away, as spoken in scripture, not a sign of more people adhering to the word of God.
In no way do I mean to imply either of the above here.....but it did not take long to see this guy is a modern evangelical and certainly is skewing the words of the Bible. Great guy? I take your word on that. Great preacher, I have serious doubts.
A huge number of people are very nice to meet and know. However, that alone is not an indication of a saved person. Likewise, membership and mega churches can be modern examples of the falling away, as spoken in scripture, not a sign of more people adhering to the word of God.
In no way do I mean to imply either of the above here.....but it did not take long to see this guy is a modern evangelical and certainly is skewing the words of the Bible. Great guy? I take your word on that. Great preacher, I have serious doubts.
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
Oh come on Skyraider...you really being antagonist? I must admit on occasion Amonger makes it easy!
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Oh come on Skyraider...you really being antagonist? I must admit on occasion Amonger makes it easy!
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TruckingSurv
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
What in the first five minutes is false? God does desire to know all, BUT he is not friends with ALL, only those who accept Jesus, so I am a bit in disagreement with the OP, but unless I missed it, I didn't hear any false teaching in the first few minutes. I did not listen to the entire segment though.
TS
Listened to five minutes and that's all it took for this guy to prove a false teacher. He's one of those new and enlightened preachers.
What in the first five minutes is false? God does desire to know all, BUT he is not friends with ALL, only those who accept Jesus, so I am a bit in disagreement with the OP, but unless I missed it, I didn't hear any false teaching in the first few minutes. I did not listen to the entire segment though.
TS
Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
You are.
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Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
Kays Castle, Soddy Daisy tn, hwy 27 tonite,,the real McCoy..................all expediters welcome
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Maverick
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Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
What I noticed first was his implication that God loves people as a mother loves her child. While this is true in a sense, it goes much deeper than that. God loves His creation, but hates the free will sin among the people. Does a mother send her only child to save these sinners? I would have a hard time doing that. The mother will protect her child at all cost (used to be the case anyway) but God actually offered His up as a sacrifice atonement for wretched sinners such as myself.
[26] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Before we label this as harsh and cruel....let's define hate as Our Lord intends here. Christ is actually putting forth a mandate for love of the Father, and this would be the example. If you would not give up your family, friends, and worldly possessions to follow Him, then you have placed a higher value on those things, than everlasting salvation.
The second thing which struck me was His claim that God follows you around in retrieval, if you stray. Actually, bringing one back into line is a strict rebuke, or hard lesson in life, as written in Hebrews:
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye *******s, and not sons.
[9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
[10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
[11] Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
[12] Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
[13] And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
This twisting of scripture (though not egregious, per say) is the modern way of telling people God loves you soooo much, He will run after you to get you back? No, scripture clearly teaches He will actually give you a swift kick in the rear.
What I noticed first was his implication that God loves people as a mother loves her child. While this is true in a sense, it goes much deeper than that. God loves His creation, but hates the free will sin among the people. Does a mother send her only child to save these sinners? I would have a hard time doing that. The mother will protect her child at all cost (used to be the case anyway) but God actually offered His up as a sacrifice atonement for wretched sinners such as myself.
[26] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Before we label this as harsh and cruel....let's define hate as Our Lord intends here. Christ is actually putting forth a mandate for love of the Father, and this would be the example. If you would not give up your family, friends, and worldly possessions to follow Him, then you have placed a higher value on those things, than everlasting salvation.
The second thing which struck me was His claim that God follows you around in retrieval, if you stray. Actually, bringing one back into line is a strict rebuke, or hard lesson in life, as written in Hebrews:
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye *******s, and not sons.
[9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
[10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
[11] Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
[12] Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
[13] And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
This twisting of scripture (though not egregious, per say) is the modern way of telling people God loves you soooo much, He will run after you to get you back? No, scripture clearly teaches He will actually give you a swift kick in the rear.
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TruckingSurv
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Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
Thanks for your thoughts, I think the mother reference was an attempt to draw a parallel to the closest things us humans could relate to and I believe he did make a point of saying it wasn't the same, but point taken.
Good thoughts on your second point too.
Watching a series right now entitled "Follow Me" by David Platt, there are three types of disciples; casual listener, convinced listener and committed life long learner and follower. The greatest numbers of people fall into the first two categories.
Not necessarily true, BUT many mega churches have primarily fallen into the first two categories because they are on a numbers growth path rather than growing disciples in the 3rd category, it is much easier to grow a church preaching what folks want to hear with NO commitment. I am not saying the message from the OP comes from such a church, I just don't know from listening to just the first part of the video BUT it is something to be aware of when evaluating a local church body. The primary function of a Biblical New Testament Church is about Glorifying Jesus and Glorifying God while making true disciples (committed life long learner and followers) and secondly loving people, anything else is just a social organization with some possible sprinkling of God.
Don't be one of those in Matthew 7:21 – 23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
This is actually written about "church" people, people who are fully expecting to go to heaven, very sad.
TS
Thanks for your thoughts, I think the mother reference was an attempt to draw a parallel to the closest things us humans could relate to and I believe he did make a point of saying it wasn't the same, but point taken.
Good thoughts on your second point too.
Watching a series right now entitled "Follow Me" by David Platt, there are three types of disciples; casual listener, convinced listener and committed life long learner and follower. The greatest numbers of people fall into the first two categories.
Not necessarily true, BUT many mega churches have primarily fallen into the first two categories because they are on a numbers growth path rather than growing disciples in the 3rd category, it is much easier to grow a church preaching what folks want to hear with NO commitment. I am not saying the message from the OP comes from such a church, I just don't know from listening to just the first part of the video BUT it is something to be aware of when evaluating a local church body. The primary function of a Biblical New Testament Church is about Glorifying Jesus and Glorifying God while making true disciples (committed life long learner and followers) and secondly loving people, anything else is just a social organization with some possible sprinkling of God.
Don't be one of those in Matthew 7:21 – 23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
This is actually written about "church" people, people who are fully expecting to go to heaven, very sad.
TS
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Regular,ordinary,not exactly perfect people can be friends with God after all, ye
"This is actually written about "church" people, people who are fully expecting to go to heaven, very sad."
Very informative, and IMHO....accurate depiction of the modern church. What some people see as growing, the Bible actually refers to as a falling away, due to the more friendly and itching ears gospel. It's both a rare and spiritually discerned person who recognizes the difference.
Nice points TS
"This is actually written about "church" people, people who are fully expecting to go to heaven, very sad."
Very informative, and IMHO....accurate depiction of the modern church. What some people see as growing, the Bible actually refers to as a falling away, due to the more friendly and itching ears gospel. It's both a rare and spiritually discerned person who recognizes the difference.
Nice points TS
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