Refusing to cooperate with Border Patrol

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
And notice how, when the guy stands firm on his rights, they eventually concede that he has a right to remain silent and go on his way.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
It says they are legal and the agent can ask the questions but of course you don't have to answer.

Kind of like the census. The Constitution says Congress must count the people; it doesn't impose any obligation on us to answer.
 

Opel2010

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Supreme Court has already ruled that these "up the road border stops" are legal.

They do that in Europe too, but they don't have check points, they're just patrolling and pull over vehicles randomly... it happened to me in Germany.
 

Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
One thing comes across as obvious. The border patrol agents are not properly trained and have little knowledge on exactly what legal limitations they have regarding questioning and detaining drivers.
Each officer seems to have a " deer in the headlight " moment. Perhaps this annoying yet harmless act of " civil disobedience " will serve as a learning tool.
 

Lawrence

Founder
Staff member
One thing comes across as obvious. The border patrol agents are not properly trained and have little knowledge on exactly what legal limitations they have regarding questioning and detaining drivers.
Each officer seems to have a " deer in the headlight " moment. Perhaps this annoying yet harmless act of " civil disobedience " will serve as a learning tool.

Freedom of movement within the United States, is a serious issue of liberty. The reason these officials did not impede the movement of the citizens in this video was to their credit, they had no lawful authority to do anything otherwise.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Freedom of movement within the United States, is a serious issue of liberty. The reason these officials did not impede the movement of the citizens in this video was to their credit, they had no lawful authority to do anything otherwise.
It's as someone else put it on a related matter... How do they get away with it? A combination of their audacity and your complicity.
 

Lawrence

Founder
Staff member
God bless America and these civil servants who could have gone Gestapo and tyrannical - but realized their is a higher authority that governs their actions...the Constitution.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
And at one time, they said one man could own another based on their respective skin colors. Sometimes they're wrong.

Umm...

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21cExp

Veteran Expediter
Looked like the buck got passed from the first guy to the next more experienced guy, then another and so on, 'til they got to the guy that knew they had nothing and said "Go on." Then the driver was surprised.

I actually don't mind the Border Patrol stops and have never had any problems with the officers manning the stations over the many years I've run the borderlands, whether for work or pleasure. They're doing their job and often face some pretty radical, dangerous, situations enforcing the laws they've sworn to uphold.

To be perfectly honest, I appreciate what they have to go through.
 

Lawrence

Founder
Staff member
Looked like the buck got passed from the first guy to the next more experienced guy, then another and so on, 'til they got to the guy that knew they had nothing and said "Go on." Then the driver was surprised.

I actually don't mind the Border Patrol stops and have never had any problems with the officers manning the stations over the many years I've run the borderlands, whether for work or pleasure. They're doing their job and often face some pretty radical, dangerous, situations enforcing the laws they've sworn to uphold.

To be perfectly honest, I appreciate what they have to go through.

100% Agree. They used what is called discretion (circa 1950). If they thought for a second these citizens were lawless and a danger to the public - they would be served justice.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
That's not at all straw man. You said SCOTUS ruled a certain thing, and I was pointing out that they can be wrong.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
There was a similar occurrence at a border, this time an international airport, with a traveler returning from China. They axed him why he had been in China, and he declined to answer. They were a but shocked that someone would stand up to them. They detained him, bullied him, threatened him, and he calmly maintained he had the right to remain silent. He sat there, reading his book while they huddled and decided what to do with him. They apparently never had a traveler who stood up for his rights before.
Eventually, a supervisor confirmed for the others that his right to remain silent was, indeed, guaranteed even at border crossings. They inspected his bags and sent him on his way. He's lucky they didn't "find" some dope in his bags.
We're still at the stage in which the gummint pretends the constitution means something, so if their bullying doesn't make him yield, they eventually send him on his way.
 
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