Reconsidering Super Singles

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We bought eight new drive tires yesterday. Once ready to swap eight dual drive tires for four Michelin super singles (Michelin X One), we ended up going once again with dual drives. The reason was simple. Michelin could not deliver the X One tires.

We ordered them weeks in advance but no tires came. Our tire dealer of choice (McMahon Tire, Inc., Fort Wayne, Indiana) worked out a sweet deal that would enable us to trade in our Alcoa Dura-Bright wheels on new Dura-Brights for the X One tires. But inquiries to Michelin from the dealer fell on deaf ears and no X One tires were delivered.

When we bought the truck two years ago we passed on super singles because of replacement tire availability concerns. That concern eased as we saw them become more available. But with the economic downturn now in progress, that seems to have changed. Inventories are being cut. Production is being cut. Products that are out of the mainstream are less likely to be stocked.

We would have liked to have a brand new set of X One tires on our truck but Michelin proved to us that they cannot deliver them when needed. That's a disappointment. We will look at X One tires the next time around. That will be a while. The Michelins we replaced performed well. With 330,000 miles on them, 6/32" of tread depth remained.

On a related note, our dealer told us that B.F. Goodrich (owned by Michelin) has stopped making truck tires of any kind until the end of the year. That decision was made a few weeks or months ago. My guess is that with fewer trucks on the road and less miles being driven, the demand for truck tires has declined.
 
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TeamCaffee

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That is really disappointing to hear about. Where you able to get the great discount we are now getting on Michelins?
 

taternuts

Seasoned Expediter
That is really disappointing to hear about. Where you able to get the great discount we are now getting on Michelins?

Have you done your research regarding the Super Singles?

There are alot of pros and cons regarding these tires...

If you were to have a blow out, Would you be able to obtain a tire is a decent amount of time? If not, and you were loaded, What would your other option be?

If you do have a blow out, and that rim slams the ground, is it going to be damaged? Would you be able to find a new one?

If you lost one of your drives, would you be able to limp to the next truck stop to get another tire?

I personally would not reccomend these tires due to the above reasons and feedback that I have recieved....

Michellin does not reccomend the use of Super Single (x-ones) on single axle straight trucks, Only on dual drive axle trucks.

I've worked in this industry for several years, Did alot of X-One change overs when I worked for SpeedCo and When they carried Michellins....

People either Love them or Hate them...
 

TeamCaffee

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Have you done your research regarding the Super Singles?

Did lots and lot of research before we bought ours


There are a lot of pros and cons regarding these tires...

If you were to have a blow out, Would you be able to obtain a tire is a decent amount of time? If not, and you were loaded, What would your other option be?

We can only hope from the research we have done in the past a new tire would be on the way as soon as we made the call. Depending on how heavy you are you can switch you lift axle tires to your drive tires and continue on.

If you do have a blow out, and that rim slams the ground, is it going to be damaged? Would you be able to find a new one?


The tires are made to blowout and the rims fall to the ground with the tires underneath them. You also have the option of running a tire monitoring system to warn you if a tire is starting to go lose pressure.


If you lost one of your drives, would you be able to limp to the next truck stop to get another tire?


No


I personally would not reccomend these tires due to the above reasons and feedback that I have recieved....

Michellin does not reccomend the use of Super Single (x-ones) on single axle straight trucks, Only on dual drive axle trucks.


We have had the SS for over 100,000 miles and they are wearing like iron. We have a lift axle that is very close to the ground which will help us tremendously if we have a blow out.


I've worked in this industry for several years, Did alot of X-One change overs when I worked for SpeedCo and When they carried Michellins....

People either Love them or Hate them...


LOVE THEM!!!!
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Too bad it didn't work out for you Phil, I suspect the inventory issue may have been related to the slower economy as you alluded to or some other stupid glitch.

Anyone believing the myths about these tires is throwing away money,

They save fuel, quite a lot of it.
Your truck will be more stable.
The rims don't get destroyed on a blowout, they do if you drive a long way on the flat (which is also bad for the dual left with the air in that set up).
Availability.....all I can say is when I ran them in a fleet environment we only had one problem with availability and it was in Rouyn-Noranda QC (google it, betch never been there). We had a special 1-800 X-One help number.

Team C's experiences with these tire are typical. Even though they are probably the most fuel conscious expert people I know, anyone can obtain good savings with these tires (OK Linda, you guys likely get more savings:p).

Hopefully you can get them next time Phil, I'm sure you would have liked them.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
i have a friend that he put the super singles on his whole fleet.Over the 1st year,his fuel mileage was not enough to recoop the investment,the second year he started having blow outs,granted he haulling 40000 plus lbs,but he stopped me from putting them on my truck.The Michelin discount is great,my savings this year on my steering tires was awesome,but I just got a deal on Generals for my drive tires,they were cheaper than the Michelins.I dont know if they are as good,but most of the tires I've used on my drives get 350000 miles,so we will see,tire cost was 300 bucks each mounted,and balanced
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
What about the Bridgestone version?

I did not check Bridgestone. I have a brand loyalty to Michelin. I know that brand loyalty can result in paying a higher price for tires and I am certain that there are people out there with stories to tell about how other tires do just as well.

That's OK. I like having Michelin tires on my truck so I put them on. If I had to pay full price I might change my mind. But with the substantial discount we get through our carrier, Michelin is a choice easily made.

Regardless of brand, I believe driver neglect is responsible for more tire failures than anything else. The simple acts of keeping tires properly inflated and the truck wheels aligned and balanced will help owner-operators get full value from the tire money they spend.
 
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iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Your right less weight maybe better milage than with the singles.

In talking with the County guys back home they not worth a hoot in the snow or on the ice.

I was told directly stay with a dual tires if your going to run those roads. You will fare better.

But then again fare weather tires for fare weather drivers.
:)
 

taternuts

Seasoned Expediter
I know the tire is designed to keep the rim from slamming into the ground, however, that is not always the case...

In the past year, I probably put on 2 or 3 rims on the roadside with a new super single.

I've probably done a dozen or so this past year roadside so that is about 20% of the time?

Unfortunately, The X-Ones are getting harder to come by (not impossible) in my area (perrysburg)...

With the Buy out of Bandag, (Which had 87.5% stake in SpeedCo) by Bridgestone, They are no longer carrying Michelin Tires...

Also Petro no longer carrying michelins, and TA, not stocking them either, Your best bet is a TCi, which is owned by michelin.

I wish you the best of luck with your Super Singles...

(TA and Petro offers a GREATEC super single trailer and drive tire in case of needing Bridgestone Brand)
 

TeamCaffee

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You need to check the rolling resistance on the SS Tires as the deep lug tires are really bad for fuel mileage and take forever to wear in.
 

Jack_Berry

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we had a thread about deep lug tires this past year. maybe it was you linda.



i remember the oddest stuff.
 

TeamCaffee

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Deep lug tires have been discussed before and I do not know who started the thread and I am horrible at finding old posts!

There is a misconception that if you just buy super single tires you will start saving on your fuel consumption. If you buy the deep lugs and your old tires were worn down to slicks it could take a year to get back to where your fuel mileage had been depending on the miles you drive. You need to buy the fuel economy tires and even then if you trade is slicks for those tires it will take a little bit to wear them in. The point is that with a with the right rolling resistance the tires will save you enough money in fuel consumption and you can replace your tires sooner and still come out ahead in savings.

There is also an energy tire made by Michelin that has the same rolling resistance as the super single if you do not want to make the switch. The savings with the super single is in tire replacement as you are only buying two tires instead of 4. The truck rides a lot better with the super single tires on but one drawback is the truck does not ride stay in the ruts as well as it used to.
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
The wider stance seems to be very stable on snow covered roads. We've had no trouble with them. We haven't had to chain with them (or any tire) so we don't have anything to compare them to as far as ice.
Personally, I'd rather not EVER chain.
 

TeamCaffee

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We have not had to chain yet either but we have run on ice and had no problems. I am sure with chains and as slow as we go they will act no different then the duals did.
The tires though do not seem to like slick mud and I would not suggest these tires to anyone that runs on dirt roads a lot.
 
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