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Link to original article: VIDEO: Reagan Called For An End To ‘Crazy’ Tax Loopholes That Let Millionaires Pay Less Than Bus Drivers | ThinkProgress

Reagan Called For An End To ‘Crazy’ Tax Loopholes That Let Millionaires Pay Less Than Bus Drivers
By Pat Garofalo on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:05 am

When President Obama released his plan for “the Buffett rule,” which involves closing tax loopholes and ensuring that millionaires pay their fair share in taxes, he explained that “middle-class families shouldn’t be paying higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires.” “Warren Buffett’s secretary shouldn’t pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett,” he said.

Ever since, many Republicans have been attacking Obama for inciting “class warfare.” “It looks like the President wants to move down the class warfare path,” said House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI). “I don’t think I would describe class warfare as leadership,” agreed Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH).

However, if calling for an end to millionaires having lower tax rates than their secretaries is class warfare, Obama is only the latest class warrior to occupy the Oval Office. In a June 6, 1985 speech at Northside High School in Atlanta, Georgia, then President Ronald Reagan explained that tax loopholes allowing a millionaire to pay lower taxes that a bus driver were “crazy,” because they allowed the “truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share”:

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes thatallow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

Watch Obama and Reagan’s remarks, side by side:

Link to video: Reagan--No Loopholes For Millionaires - YouTube

When President Obama released his plan for “the Buffett rule,” which involves closing tax loopholes and ensuring that millionaires pay their fair share in taxes, he explained that “middle-class families shouldn’t be paying higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires.” “Warren Buffett’s secretary shouldn’t pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett,” he said.

Ever since, many Republicans have been attacking Obama for inciting “class warfare.” “It looks like the President wants to move down the class warfare path,” said House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI). “I don’t think I would describe class warfare as leadership,” agreed Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH).

However, if calling for an end to millionaires having lower tax rates than their secretaries is class warfare, Obama is only the latest class warrior to occupy the Oval Office. In a June 6, 1985 speech at Northside High School in Atlanta, Georgia, then President Ronald Reagan explained that tax loopholes allowing a millionaire to pay lower taxes that a bus driver were “crazy,” because they allowed the “truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share”:

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

Watch Obama and Reagan’s remarks, side by side:

When Reagan asked the crowd whether millionaires should be paying more or less in taxes than a bus driver, the crowd resoundingly responded “more!” Reagan also told an Illinois crowd about a letter he had received from a man who said that tax loopholes allowed him to pay a lower tax rate than his secretary. “He wrote me the letter to tell me he’d like to come to Washington and testify before Congress as to how that’s possible for him to do and why it is wrong,” Reagan said.

A recent Daily Kos/SEIU “State of the Nation” poll conducted by Public Policy Polling found that 73 percent of Americans, including 66 percent of Republicans, favor the Buffett rule. Remember, it was Reagan who completely equalized the tax treatment of investment income and wage income, which is currently one of the key tax disparities that allows the wealthy to dramatically lower their tax rates.

As the Center for American Progress’ Seth Hanlon and Michael Linden put it, “in calling for the ‘Buffett Rule,’ Obama is merely calling for a return to basic fairness. He is echoing the very same call that Ronald Reagan made 25 years ago. Given the history, maybe we should be calling it the ‘Reagan Rule.’”
 

greg334

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Wasn't it under the Reagan administration that we got screwed on our interest deductions for loans and credit cards?

I think many miss an important point that no one seems to talk about often if at all in the media.

People like buffet and the other people with incomes above $40m usually do not get it in the form of income but rather capital gains. Because the cap gains taxes are low, they enjoy the benefit of having to pay a flat rate of 15% and actually pay less than say one that is making $300k, relatively speaking. A lot of this comes through dividends using a corporation or other tax friendly structures that allows them to be more or less isolated from the income taxes that we all pay. Hollywood does this a lot, they have their money moved around under different entities to make it less exposed to taxes.

So when ever I read the Reagan stuff, I think it was great that he did somethings right but on the other hand he did a bunch of things that screwed the little guy in the long run. Many tend to forget the changes that were made under his administration that allowed more tax friendly entities to be used when their incomes were above a number.
 

RLENT

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Wisdom for the ages:

"Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter -- by peaceful or revolutionary means -- into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it."

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." ...... Claude Frédéric Bastiat
 
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Tennesseahawk

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With Reagan, it was political spin. The man spearheaded removing the huge tax burden on the wealthy. I don't think he was wanting to put it back. I read that after WW2, the top marginal tax rate was 91%. Reagan brought it down to a humane 37%, or something like that.

I also heard that people above a certain amount usually don't pay taxes period; because it would take the IRS more money to get the taxes, than what the uber-rich should be paying. So I wouldn't doubt Buffet and Soros and Gates actually pay no income taxes whatsoever. They're basically snubbing the rest of us with, "HAHA! Look at what I'm getting away with!"
 

davekc

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Under Reagan corporate taxes were cut and taxes were raised on the lower half in addition to cutting out some of the tax shelters. Under Obama, it is just have the ones 200K and up pay more.
On investments, it is 15 percent, but a income tax was already paid on the initial money it took to make that investment. Many don't realize that. If a millionaire pays 37 percent, he is in effect paying over 50 percent in tax.

If Obama wants to fix a big tax loop hole, he should start by not giving tax
payer money to companies like Solandra.
He was even dumb enough to throw more billions out there again on a gamble. Always easy when its everyone elses money.
 
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