Re: Medical Certificates

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
RE: Oklahoma wreck that killed 10 people...

As you recall, the trucker, Donald Creed, 76, came upon a line of vehicles stopped for another accident.

Jerry quoted Capt. Scott Horton of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol as citing fatigue and heat exhaustion on the part of Creed as a possible contributing factor.

Horton said Creed began his shift that morning at 3 a.m. in Springfield, Mo., and was returning to Springfield when the accident occurred at 1 p.m.

We called the Oklahoma Highway Patrol and while it will eventually become part of the investigative record, Creed’s logbook is still part of the ongoing investigation and police aren’t saying anything about Creed’s activities in the days preceding the accident.

Based on the safety record of the company for which Creed drove, we suspect that Creed’s logbook will reveal nothing out of the ordinary during those days.

This is where I ask myself...
Is the "ordinary" safe enough for a 76-year-old driver?

There are two issues I'd like to point out,

First, at 58 I do not have the physical stamina I had at age 40,

Putting in 11 consecutive hours of work impacts me a lot differently now than at age 40.

Second there is the issue of physical condition.

We all know that as we age, our doctor suggests we undergo more frequent preventive testing, such as for prostate cancer for men, breast cancer for women and heart disease for both men and women, to name a few.

Should it be any different for truckers as they age?

Let’s look at another transportation-related sector, airline pilots.

The Federal Aviation Administration requires that prior to age 40, to pilot a commercial airliner, a person must get a new medical certificate every 12 months.

Once that person reaches 40, he or she must get a new medical certificate every six months.

For most truckers, getting a new certificate is required every two years.

There are exceptions, but it would be safe to say that every two years is the norm.

A commercial airline pilot might be responsible for 250 souls on board every time his or her plane takes off, but how many people died in the U.S. last year in commercial airline accidents and how many died in crashes involving commercial vehicles, albeit most of those are caused by four-wheelers?

Perhaps it is time for the Department of Transportation and the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration to rethink the rules for getting medical certificates.

That and encouraging on-board safety systems through financial incentives could go a long way toward increasing safety on our highways.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
are you going to pay for it ,
or you expect the drivers to pick up the bill ???

there are many ways to keep the roads safer then they are ,
and our environment cleaner .
unfortunately , every , but every single time -
they expect the driver to pay for it .

BTW , your 35 - 55 $ medical DOT certificate , will not be so affordable , once they get all that "DOT Doctors certification" (or what ever they call it ) , DOT clinics will be far harder to find , and the driver will have to pay more , mach mach more .
add to it the out of rout millage , down time , the fact that most clinics do not have truck parking ,the HOS ,..., and that 6 month DOT check , start being a real problem ...

for what ?
Why ?
nobody really know why he didn't stop !
the police investigator are scratching their heads ,
they can't come up with nothing .
there are no evidence to show that fatigue was at place .

the above statements by the police are un-based , un-responsible , and we all going to pay for them.

But hey , in the name of safety , & the environment we can come up with all kind of **~*...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well there are two areas that actually need to seriously looked at, one is training and one is medical/age limits.

Training is a given, too many bad drivers out there who are in many ways will never be anything but unsafe. Once the bad habits set in, they are there for life unless someone really works hard to change them.

Medical issues should be looked at carefully. I do think it is a mistake for a DOT certified doctor to give me a physical because I have more of a chance to skate by with them than I would with my own doctor who has my best medical interest involved.

I know this first hand, my doctor is not messing around but the clinic doc, he/she goes through my stuff within an hour, no medical records of my past are avalible and makes a determination whether I can drive or not - that is not right.

ATPs, the guys who fly those big jets go through a 6 month phsyicals and they are usually with doctors who they deal with all the time.

Age is another factor, this is a hard life, and sorry seniors but if you are 70, I think it is time to find something else to do. It is not age discrimination but an issue of safety. If we are going to be consistent with the public's safety, there has to be strict limits, like age and physical ability.

I feel we are fooling ourselves with the electronic safety things, the basics should be covered first, weed out the drivers who are bad to begin with and stop the revolving door medical certs.
 

kg

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Owner/Operator
I am all for tougher med exams and a double look for drivers past a certain age.

However this would definitely be a game changer for a large percentage of truck drivers out there.

Between the obesity related problems and general lack of medical care many drivers not just those over 70 would be looking for other work.
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think we need better enforcement of the kinds of laws that deal with how we drive such as tailgating, lane changes etc, this is really tough as an officer has to be there to catch it but here is why I think it would go a long way.

If people think they are going to get caught, fined, loose points, have to explain it to a safety dept or insurance company, they will largely either learn to self regulate or they will be forced out of this business.

Case in point, last night I was on 69 coming across from Flint to Sarnia/Port Huron. There is construction and it is a single lane. There are large dots painted on the road and signs saying "Keep 2 Dots Apart" and a little picture for who don't get the concept. It is also a 60mph zone. There were 8 or 9 trucks in front of me that were so close together they likely couldn't see the dots and a group behind me doing the same. The guy right behind me apparently didn't think I was going fast enough or close enough to the trucks in front of me and was all over the horn. he even was kind enough to get out of his truck at the bridge and lecture me on the finer points of driving with "the big boys". The guy was maybe 35, road rage supreme, and then passed me on the 402 at about 75 mph (I got thru customs before him).

I like your idea OVM but I think we need to root out the idiots before they get to that age, maybe if all we have left are real professionals they might be responsible enough to retire.

I am of course dreaming and living in a fantasy land where drivers are all professional and are the calm courteous folks. Ahhh the ether is good today.
 

inkasnana

Expert Expediter
I think truck stops need to have some treadmills for drivers to use. A 30 min walk a few times a week is great exercise, but I'm not about to go out walking around the parking lot of a truck stop. I have no desire to become a grease spot on the pavement. It can be stressful just walking from the truck to the building with all the trucks pulling in and going out and roaming around.

"Too expensive".. I know. "Too many irresponsible and inconsiderate drivers to properly use the equipment".. I know. The idea is good though.
 
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