Put me in charge

louixo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Food Stamp cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.



Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats and piercings, then get a job.



Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.



In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good.”



Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.



Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.



If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices.



AND



While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t. welfare check.



If you want to vote, then get a job.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Clap, clap, clap, clap. If used properly these people would only lose out for about 6 months then they should be back on their feet after.

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
It's Dictatorial Socialism at the core. You don't get to take away any and all rights from someone just because they don't want to, or can't, live their life the way you think they should, and then dole out their rights back to them as you see fit. It's retarded. Every single solution mentioned above has been tried at one time or another throughout history, and none of them have worked, yet he thinks they will now. What the author should do is just say what he wants to say, that all poor people should be exterminated, then poof, all of the world's problems would be solved. The author tried to get a little too cute in his prose, and lost site of the fact that he's just being stooopid, frothily.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
It's Dictatorial Socialism at the core. You don't get to take away any and all rights from someone just because they don't want to, or can't, live their life the way you think they should, and then dole out their rights back to them as you see fit. It's retarded. Every single solution mentioned above has been tried at one time or another throughout history, and none of them have worked, yet he thinks they will now. What the author should do is just say what he wants to say, that all poor people should be exterminated, then poof, all of the world's problems would be solved. The author tried to get a little too cute in his prose, and lost site of the fact that he's just being stooopid, frothily.

It has nothing to do with people not living their life as we think they should it is about them forcing others to pay for them and their mistakes over a long period of time. Public assistance is supposed to be there to help in an emergency not a way of life as it has become, there is no penalty or reason to get off the government handouts for people just taking from others that produce. Why should they be handed thousands of dollars throughout the year and then be handed several thousand more at tax time for EIC? What income have they earned that they are getting credit for? It needs to be less comfortable for people to look at others and say you are going to pay for me like I am your child?

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Change your elected officials, then, instead on blaming or trying to punish the ones on the other end of things.
 

Monty

Expert Expediter
It's Dictatorial Socialism at the core. You don't get to take away any and all rights from someone just because they don't want to, or can't, live their life the way you think they should, and then dole out their rights back to them as you see fit. It's retarded.

I agree, and it is EXACTLY what we have now. No matter the "side" you take, the process is alive and well.

I'm tired of living MY life the way the left wants it, I want to choose my own light bulbs, I wish to have a toilet that needs only ONE flush, I wish to have a shower head that dispenses enough water to be relaxing, I wish to drive a gas guzzler, I wish to know that what I exhale is not killing the planet.

Time and again the government has imposed such restrictions on us. Take the 55mph speed limit, not a "national" one, but it was said if the states did not comply, they would loose the highway funding. Same with .02 alcohol level, same with stupid drug laws ... many, many times we have been subjected to the will of a few via the power of the pocket book, Would this be any different as listed above?
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Nope, not much.

I just think it's a little silly to blame the recipients of a system that we created which encourages people to participate in the system.

It's like blaming the players on a Major League Baseball team for making too much money which results in higher ticket prices, when it's really the owners who are stoopid enough to pay it to them.

A 100 pound skid going 800 miles, pays six grand. Would you turn that down, knowing that such a waste of transportation dollars will mean consumers will end up paying more for it than they should? I wouldn't.

You want free food? Here's a pre-paid Food Stamp debit card that you'll never have to pay for. Here, here, here, take it, it's free. I'd take that. And so would most people, even the ones who say they wouldn't. It's human nature.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
You want free food? Here's a pre-paid Food Stamp debit card that you'll never have to pay for. Here, here, here, take it, it's free. I'd take that. And so would most people, even the ones who say they wouldn't. It's human nature.

Only thieves. Once you know where it comes from, taking it is theft. It's receiving stolen money.

Unfortunately, human nature includes stealing, as well as lying, adultery, coveting, murder, etc.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
no matter what you do for work in life there are rules that you choose to follow in order to have to keep that job. there are certian things that we may like to do that while we are working we are not allowed to do.yet no one calls it socialism! I know not everyone on welfare is happy about being on welfare.and that many use it for what it is as a hand to help in tough times."when the system that we created" was created the people of this country had much different values and beliefs.they used it as needed and then got off it as soon as they could.however now there are more and more people raising there childern to live off welfare(have more kids get a begger check each month)there is in no way anyone can tell me that a person who is getting food stamps needs them only because they use their cash to buy rims or flat screens instead of buying food.
My point is everyone that works has to follow rules.from drug testing to not speeding down the highway to only driving 11 hours a day. and what happens if we dont follow the rules we get big fines and in some cases lose our jobs.so why is it so wrong for the millions of people who reap the rewards of the working class labors to have to follow the rules to.
i like to go metal detecting yet there are many places i can not even take it to.there are laws that i have to follow in order to beable to enjoy it.you can not even take one on federal land,and many state parks are the same way.get caught in one with it in your car and you can get hit with fines in the thousands.yet this is something i choose to do in my spare time so i have to follow the rules even though i dont like many of them.and guess what the same people that make the laws on my hobby are the same ones who make the welfare laws.
If you want to admit it or not there are millions of people that choose to live on welfare.and they are the ones voting for the people who keep saying this is your right to live this way.they dont vote for the ones that say you need to get off the hand outs and get a job.they dont vote for the ones that say ok if you need the help we will help but here is what you gotta do in order to recive that help (heres your cup fill it to the middle line).they vote for the ones that say its your right to sit at home and wait for some one else to make your life better for you.just read the paper or watch the news.those evil republicans want your children to starve,they want women to get breast cancer.this is why they vote for the people who make it easy for them to sit at home and not better themselfs. so yes you can blame the millions of people who vote them in.
why is it that the left is all for regulations on everything except welfare.the right brings up changes to welfare and they are evil,mean,non caring, out of touch with the voters and the all time classic racist!!!!I know why for votes!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I just think it's a little silly to blame the recipients of a system that we created which encourages people to participate in the system.

Exactly.

There was a thread about the guy who won the lottery and still collects food stamps, I can't blame him for what he is doing but think it is wrong. IT is the system that was setup to allow things like this, like how some people can actually get paid for a vehicle in the system.

BUT also I have to add something else, taking a journey in the foster care system of our state, we have met people who are in it for just the money - which is disgusting but happens. The system allows a lot of things to be bought for different types of disabled kids and the money use doesn't always have to be justified.

Is it a case where change is needed?

I think so but until we get people in office to actually care about the issues, we won't see any changes.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Exactly.

There was a thread about the guy who won the lottery and still collects food stamps, I can't blame him for what he is doing but think it is wrong..

If it's wrong, then he can be and should be blamed. If he's blameless, he must not be doing anything wrong.

Just because the system is flawed doesn't mean he isn't wrong for exploiting it.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I don't understand what "rights" we'd be taking away. It's all voluntary. If you want to buy cigarettes, booze, drugs, Escalades, or X-box, get a *bleepin* job! If you want to live off the dole, you'll live like we say. YOUR CHOICE! There... no rights violated.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Rights are taken away from felons because of a choice they made including the right to vote.

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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Just because the system is flawed doesn't mean he isn't wrong for exploiting it.

That is true but he has said his point is that he wants to change it and the only way to change things around here is to make it look so horrible that it forces people to get angry or upset.

This has been the case throughout our history, from slavery to sexual predator laws - all changed because of people being angry or upset.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Rights are taken away from felons because of a choice they made including the right to vote.

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Rights are routinely taken away from people as punishment for them taking away the rights of others, as with a felon. Taken to its logical conclusion, people think it's OK to punish those who are on public assistance by taking their rights away. To say that it's voluntary, which makes it OK, still makes it a punishment.

"If you want to live off the dole, you'll live like we say."

That's slavery, actually. By definition, dole is charity or relief, and charity or relief cannot come with the strings of Constitutional Rights attached to it without it becoming slavery.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Rights are routinely taken away from people as punishment for them taking away the rights of others, as with a felon. Taken to its logical conclusion, people think it's OK to punish those who are on public assistance by taking their rights away. To say that it's voluntary, which makes it OK, still makes it a punishment.

"If you want to live off the dole, you'll live like we say."

That's slavery, actually. By definition, dole is charity or relief, and charity or relief cannot come with the strings of Constitutional Rights attached to it without it becoming slavery.

Charity is VOLUNTARY, a GIFT. The DOLE is FORCED. It is redistribution of wealth. NOT charity. I agree, most government "feel good" programs are slavery.

No one has a RIGHT to others wages.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Rights are routinely taken away from people as punishment for them taking away the rights of others, as with a felon. Taken to its logical conclusion, people think it's OK to punish those who are on public assistance by taking their rights away. To say that it's voluntary, which makes it OK, still makes it a punishment.

"If you want to live off the dole, you'll live like we say."

That's slavery, actually. By definition, dole is charity or relief, and charity or relief cannot come with the strings of Constitutional Rights attached to it without it becoming slavery.

If someone doesn't pay taxes they are tossed in prison but they didn't take away anyone's rights. I lost the right to not have to support another person's family so they have taken away my rights and should be treated accordingly.

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