Psychotic Morons

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
From Counterpunch.org:

"It's Fun to Shoot Some People"

By BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

"The recently sacked US commander in Afghanistan, McChrystal, was a special forces freak who was complicit in or actually caused the cloak-and-dagger deaths of an unknown number of people. He and his knuckle-dragging rabble were and are unaccountable to either man or morality. They kill at will.

McChrystal came to recent notice because his juvenile bar-room insults about his superiors were made public. This was one thing McChrystal couldn’t slime his way out of, but in the past he proved himself genius quality when defending himself after being deceitful.

Mary Tillman, the mother of Corporal Pat Tillman who was killed in what was eventually called a ‘friendly fire’ tragedy in Afghanistan, wrote a book called ‘Boots on the Ground by Dusk’ which provides insight as to how some members of the US military covered up unpalatable truth and cast aside all principle. McChrystal figured big in this sordid saga.

At the time of Pat Tillman’s death on April 24, 2004, McChrystal was the head of Special Operations in Afghanistan. He approved the award of a Silver Star to Tillman for heroism.

There was no doubt that Pat Tillman, a mega-tough football star and a really great guy, was a hero. He stood up in a hail of machine gun fire from a bunch of panic-stricken, ill-trained, incompetent US soldiers and bellowed at them to stop shooting at their own comrades. But they carried on firing and shot him dead.

Rumsfeld’s Pentagon needed a national hero in 2004. It wanted a story to deflect domestic and world attention from the Abu Ghraib torture revelations that were hitting the media. Some of the hideous treatment of scores of Iraqis by a bunch of slavering US psychotics had been recorded for posterity (although we haven’t seen half the repulsive pictures because politicians, including Hillary Clinton, forbade release of the worst ones), and Washington was desperate to deflect attention from the horrible disclosures.

The ****-and-bull story about special forces’ gallantry in the so-called ‘rescue’ of Jessica Lynch in Iraq was a squalid invention conjured up to grab headlines, in which it succeeded, and the death of Pat Tillman presented a similar opportunity. His Silver Star citation read in part that “Corporal Tillman put himself in the line of devastating enemy fire,” which was a trumped-up yarn concerning an own-forces’ clash that everyone involved knew had happened. And McChrystal was promoted major general nine days after his Corporal was killed.

Eventually, when it was no longer possible to maintain deceit, there had to be an inquiry, so McChrystal appeared in front of the usual smug and supportive bunch of politicians who hung on his words and didn’t give him the tongue-lashing he deserved. Senator McCain asked him about the falsified award recommendation and McChrystal replied that:

“Now, what happens, in retrospect, is – and I would do this differently if I had the chance again – in retrospect they look contradictory, because we sent a Silver Star that was not well-written. And although I went through the process, I will tell you now I didn't review the citation well enough to capture – or I didn't catch that if you read it you could imply that it was not friendly fire.”

This was insolently confusing nonsense. Apart from the fact that in his ignorance he meant ‘infer’ rather than ‘imply’, the statement that the citation was “not well-written” was devious and intended to draw attention from the fact that it was a lie from beginning to end.

The Silver Star is awarded to a member of the US Army who has displayed gallantry “in action against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force.”

Was McChrystal unaware of the terms of the award recommendation that he signed? Is it possible he didn’t know that the American victim of killing by US soldiers, however gallant he had been, did not meet the criterion of being involved in “conflict with an opposing foreign force”?

The man is a lying charlatan, unlike an unfortunately honest senior officer in the US army in recent times, one Major General Mario Taguba, who was tasked to investigate the sadistic atrocities at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

General Taguba was ordered to head the investigation because his senior officers and the Pentagon thought he would be compliant. He wasn’t one of the Club. He was of Philippines origin (his father fought at Bataan, survived the ensuing Death March, and escaped captivity to fight again; a true hero), and achieved general rank by displaying great competence. But competence isn’t enough in the US military system. Or in any country’s military system.

Ambitious military officers have to display conformity and compliance if they want to succeed and go onwards and upwards. Adherence to shifting political thinking is essential for advancement, and in this they are helped by bands of sycophantic toadies whom they handpick for their staffs. The McChrystal mob of lickspittle flunkies were typical of the breed and told their boss what he wanted to hear, which, by chance of inverse intention, helped cause his well-deserved disgrace.

When the political spin doctors of Washington – or Berlin, London, Delhi, Moscow, Beijing, or any capital, indeed – dictate that a particular line is to be adopted by the military, then that Line is Law. It isn’t Constitutional legal law, of course; but it’s much more easily enforceable. And the penalties for ignoring the political party line are harsher than those awarded for what the rest of us might imagine to be graver crimes.

In May 2004 Major General Taguba produced his findings on the Abu Ghraib outrages, writing that “sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees.” He apportioned blame. So he was immediately posted to the Office of Reserve Affairs, which in any army is a professional graveyard.

He was then insulted face-to-face by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and humiliated by senior officers who jumped on the official bandwagon of Taguba-denigration, and told that he and his Report would be “investigated.” His treatment was proclamation to the entire military system that any officer who wants to rise to senior rank in the Profession of Arms should not upset the cradle of promotion by revealing uncomfortable truth. The cradle might rock (who remembers that great Broadway Show?), and truth can be manipulated.

In 2006 General Taguba was ordered to retire, and the army lost a loyal, decent, honorable and truthful officer. But the Pentagon doesn’t seem to want too many truthful officers who are loyal to the Constitution. It favors officers who are loyal to the Pentagon. Which brings us to General James Mattis, a Marine described by Defense Secretary Gates as “one of our military’s outstanding combat leaders and strategic thinkers.”

He was speaking of a man who in 2001 boasted that “The Marines have landed, and we now own a piece of Afghanistan,” which is one of the most stupid comments made by any general in recent years. If Mattis, the supposed “strategic thinker”, believed his words about “owning” a part of the country would be a positive contribution to US policy as regards Afghanistan, then he is a fool. If he spoke without thinking, then he is a fool. But being a fool doesn’t affect promotion, so long as you go the Pentagon way ; and Mattis went onwards and upwards.

Then in 2005, when the Afghanistan quagmire was becoming deeper, Mattis spoke in San Diego about the war and how it should be fought. His words were recorded by CNN as:

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling . . . You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

This stupid man has been placed in command of all troops in Afghanistan. His troops know he believes it is “fun to shoot some people” and who could blame them for acting accordingly, given such guidance? The stage is set for more of a “hell of a fun to shoot them”.

The insurgents’ propagandists know about Mattis, too. And they will spread the word that the new foreign occupation general thinks they have “no manhood”, which is the ultimate insult to a tribesman of any persuasion.

Although the consequences of the words of General Mattis can never be measured, it is obvious they are unbalanced to the point of being psychopathic. The man’s crass and barbaric tirade is not only alarming from the aspect of animal rabble-rousing, it demonstrates that the Pentagon appoints some extremely peculiar people to senior rank and command.

A person who believes that it is “a hell of a hoot” to kill people is seriously demented. The fact that such a person has been appointed to a major US military command is alarming, to put it mildly. But a country gets the military leaders it deserves. It’s a pity that some are psychotic morons."​

Brian Cloughley and his wife Margaret live in France, in the small village of Voutenay sur Cure in Burgundy.

He has studied South Asian affairs since the late 1970s and is South Asia defence analyst for Jane’s Sentinel, Country Risk, covering Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, updating the material monthly.

He served in the British and Australian armies and saw active service in the 1960s in what Indonesia called ‘Confrontation’ with Malaysia. As a Forward Observer in 6th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery, in Borneo, he was fortunate enough to be attached to 42 Commando, Royal Marines; 1st Battalion Sarawak Rangers, of the Royal Malaysian Army; and 4th Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment, following which connection he was asked to join the Australian Army, which he did in January 1970.

His military life included service as an intelligence officer in Cyprus at the end of colonial rule, then, also in Cyprus, as a regimental officer with 42nd Field Regiment, during which time he was able to travel extensively in Libya. His attachment with the Jordan Desert Police Force (then patrolling by camel, intercepting salt smugglers from Syria to Saudi Arabia), was especially interesting, as were tours as Reconnaissance and Survey Officer in 39 [nuclear] Missile Regiment in Germany, and fascinating but futile involvement in Australian Psychological Operations in Vietnam.

Later appointments included being deputy head of the UN military mission in Kashmir in 1980-82; Senior Staff Officer (Force Structure), in Australian Army HQ, during which time he was honoured by being appointed to the Order of Australia; Director of Protocol for the Australian Defence Force; and, lastly, Australian Defence Attaché in Pakistan from December 1988 to July 1994.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. ...
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Yes, it was directed to you. You posted that MOVIE quote. I was just wondering if your life was ever on the line?

I know your question was directed at me Layout, it was pretty obvious since you quoted me and asked me the question.

My question to you was, "Why the emphasis on YOU"? Here, I will explain to you why I asked the question. When you emphasized YOU, it implies that you have already came to a conclusion in your head that I haven't been on that "Wall" and that I have no idea what I am talking about. So, why the emphasis on YOU when you asked me your question, why not just ask the question without any emphasis. Usually when someone uses bold letters, all capitol letters or italics they are emphasizing that word for a reason, I was simply wondering why you emphasized YOU in your question to me.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I know your question was directed at me Layout, it was pretty obvious since you quoted me and asked me the question.

My question to you was, "Why the emphasis on YOU"? Here, I will explain to you why I asked the question. When you emphasized YOU, it implies that you have already came to a conclusion in your head that I haven't been on that "Wall" and that I have no idea what I am talking about. So, why the emphasis on YOU when you asked me your question, why not just ask the question without any emphasis. Usually when someone uses bold letters, all capitol letters or italics they are emphasizing that word for a reason, I was simply wondering why you emphasized YOU in your question to me.

NO, YOU are wrong. I just wanted to be sure that you understood I was speaking directly to you, that is all. Things like that have gotten mixed up in here before. I have NO idea in the world if your life was ever on the line OR if you know what you are talking about or not. That IS WHY I asked. I like to understand where people are coming from. I don't know YOU personally and it is VERY hard to gauge what YOU are saying due to that.

I, personally, don't like using "movie" quotes to make points, IF that is what you were trying to do when quoting that movie. Movies are not real. They are fantasy. The actors pretend to be someone or do something. I prefer real life quotes and situations. I prefer hearing from those who have, "Been there and done that" no mater what the subject matter is. Just how I am. I was NOT throwing stones or implying ANYTHING. I was just trying to learn your perspective.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
The military has 2 purposes, to kill people and destory things..nothing more..when the government ask them to do more like follow ROE that are are more stringent then what your local sheriff as to fllow that were sit in place to appease the libs in washington, that is when they get in trouble...leave them alone and let them do what they were trained to do...its really that simple....then there is no apologies to make for them.....kill or me killed...thats what they do best....
 

witness23

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NO, YOU are wrong. I just wanted to be sure that you understood I was speaking directly to you, that is all. Things like that have gotten mixed up in here before. I have NO idea in the world if your life was ever on the line OR if you know what you are talking about or not. That IS WHY I asked. I like to understand where people are coming from. I don't know YOU personally and it is VERY hard to gauge what YOU are saying due to that.

I, personally, don't like using "movie" quotes to make points, IF that is what you were trying to do when quoting that movie. Movies are not real. They are fantasy. The actors pretend to be someone or do something. I prefer real life quotes and situations. I prefer hearing from those who have, "Been there and done that" no mater what the subject matter is. Just how I am. I was NOT throwing stones or implying ANYTHING. I was just trying to learn your perspective.

Very well. If you are asking if I've been in live combat on the ground serving as a Marine, I would have to answer no. If you are asking if I've served in our military, that answer is yes. I served in our Navy from 2000-2004, I was stationed in Long Beach and later in San Diego on the USS Mt. Vernon LSD-39(amphibious troop transport) as a Signalman. I was in Desert Storm and Desert Shield.

I thought the movie quote was quite appropriate and summed up what the author was trying to say. Lighten' Francis.... That's another movie quote.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
The military has 2 purposes, to kill people and destory things..nothing more..when the government ask them to do more like follow ROE that are are more stringent then what your local sheriff as to fllow that were sit in place to appease the libs in washington, that is when they get in trouble...leave them alone and let them do what they were trained to do...its really that simple....then there is no apologies to make for them.....kill or me killed...thats what they do best....

From the Layout perspective of things......I have to ask, have you ever been on that wall?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Very well. If you are asking if I've been in live combat on the ground serving as a Marine, I would have to answer no. If you are asking if I've served in our military, that answer is yes. I served in our Navy from 2000-2004, I was stationed in Long Beach and later in San Diego on the USS Mt. Vernon LSD-39(amphibious troop transport) as a Signalman. I was in Desert Storm and Desert Shield.

I thought the movie quote was quite appropriate and summed up what the author was trying to say. Lighten' Francis.... That's another movie quote.

Thanks for the answer AND your service. As to the movie quote, it is just a thing with me. I try to avoid them.

While you, or I for that matter, have NOT been in combat, you must keep in mind that as long as we were in the service our lives were on that line. As I am sure you know, anyone in the service, at any time, could be ordered into combat, that IS the job of the military. I am sure that you know that.

Who is "Francis"? and why should he/she/it lighten up? Is he/she/it over weight? :p
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Lottery # was 8, drafted .....no combat action. For the same reason I was disqualified to be a police officer..i am deaf in one ear....
 
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Hey, witness23, not ONLY military personnel put their lives on the line. Look at the story below. I sure hope that this was NOT one of Detroit's famous arson fires. It is bad enough when a firefighter goes down, to get injured or killed due to a criminal act is FAR worse. At least it is in my book.

Detroit Firefighters Injured in Jefferson Commerical Building Fire

Updated: Friday, 13 Aug 2010, 10:10 AM EDT
Published : Friday, 13 Aug 2010, 8:22 AM EDT
(MyFoxDetroit.com Staff) - A commerical building fire and explosion at a strip mall near Jefferson Avenue and Dickerson Street in Detroit has caused injuries to at least six Detroit Firefighters, according to a DFD spokesperson.


Two video reports: Al Allen w/ the latest from the scene. Ron Savage offering his insight as a volunteer firefighter and what may have happened during this five-alarm situation.

The fire happened at a two-story building that contained a few small stores. The building exploded, then collapsed while firefighters were working to contain the fire.


Three firefighters have been taken to St. John Hospital. Two others have been taken to Detroit Receiving Hospital. One firefighter was treated on the scene and released. Al Allen reports that some of the injuries are critical. At one time it was reported eight people were injured, but Fox 2 confirms the number is six.


Fox 2 is on the scene and Al Allen will offer more information as it develops. Stay with MyFoxDetroit.com for updates.






Detroit Firefighters Injured in Jefferson Commerical Building Fire
 

jimby82

Veteran Expediter
I served in our Navy from 2000-2004, I was stationed in Long Beach and later in San Diego on the USS Mt. Vernon LSD-39(amphibious troop transport) as a Signalman. I was in Desert Storm and Desert Shield.

Witness,
Thank you for your service. Thank all of you for your service. Please do not take this the wrong way. I am not intending to question your service, just trying to clear up something. Did you possibly mean you served from 1990-1994? Desert Storm and Desert Shield were operations from the first Gulf War. Just trying to clarify, that's all. (My kids would tell you I am somewhat of a stickler for facts, or a pain in the ***, either way, I guess they are both the same.:D)

And no, I never served. But, I am very thankful for all of you who did.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Yes, you are correct it was from 90-94. Man, I'm getting old.


LOL!! It gets us all!! Wait till you get to my age! Just how old am I now? :confused:

Desert Storm/Shield was one of the last major operations I worked on. I was invloved with weather reporting (in a round about way) for the combat region. Hard to explain. I am not a weather person but had to "find" certain kinds of reporting that was being "hidden" by the "bad" guys. I found it. I always found what I was after. :D I was a VERY persistant!
 
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