President defends abortion as a right..

EnglishLady

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Mail Jan 23


President defends abortion as a right... as lawmakers get set to roll those rights back

President Barack Obama has labelled abortion a 'right', setting the grounds for a new battle with lawmakers determined to roll those rights back.

The President marked the 38th anniversary of the Supreme Court's landmark decision on abortion by calling the procedure a constitutional right he's committed to protecting.
But he spoke against a rising tide of anti-abortion activists who sense the time is right for a new push to rein in the broad access to abortions established by the 1973 Roe v Wade decision.

Buoyed by huge election gains for their allies, anti-abortion activists in America head into their annual March for Life rallies on Monday sensing a prime opportunity in many states.

Foes of abortion gained strength in Congress, among state governors and in many state legislatures, raising hopes among social conservatives for a broad surge of anti-abortion bills.
Mr Obama's comments today squared him off against them.

He called on Americans to recommit themselves to ensuring that 'our daughters have the same rights, the same freedoms, and the same opportunities as our sons to fulfill their dreams'.
The President said the 1973 Roe v Wade decision that legalised abortion affirmed what he called a 'fundamental principle: that government should not intrude on private family matters'.

'We are seeing a cultural shift toward protecting life and rolling back the tide of unrestricted abortions,' said Charmaine Yoest, president of Americans United for Life

In many states, prospects for passage of such measures are bright, although they may face court challenges.

NARAL Pro-Choice America, a leading abortion-rights group, said there are now 29 anti-abortion governors out of 50.
That's up eight from the 21 anti-abortion governors in place before the mid-term elections - a blow to Mr Obama's side, as governors have often acted as a firewall for abortion legislation.

Of the 29, there are 15 in states where abortion opponents also control both legislative chambers.
'In those states in particular, there are almost no pro-choice checks and balances,' said Donna Crane, NARAL's director of public policy.
While abortion-rights supporters traditionally hold commemorations of the court decision, the anniversary has become an even higher-profile date for the anti-abortion movement.

Its major event, the March for Life in Washington, D.C., is scheduled this year to take place on Monday - not the anniversary itself - while other events are scheduled throughout the weekend nationwide.
On both sides of the debate, the mood contrasts sharply with 2009 and 2010.
Two years ago, the anniversary came two days after Mr Obama's inauguration - a time of enthusiasm among abortion-rights supporters, who tend to vote Democratic.

A year ago, the anniversary coincided with the first day of testimony in the murder trial of Scott Roeder, who was later convicted of killing late-term abortion provider Dr George Tiller at his church in Wichita, Kansas.
Kansas is now one of the states where anti-abortion activists hope for dramatic legislative gains.
Its new governor, Republican Sam Brownback, is an ardent foe of abortion who has made clear he will sign restrictive measures that his Democratic predecessors vetoed.

Anti-abortion activists hope to advance bills that would further restrict late-term procedures, increase reporting requirements for abortion providers, and make it harder for abortion clinics to be licensed.
In several other states, Democratic governors who generally supported abortion rights were replaced by Republicans opposed to abortion


That included the crucial swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
In Pennsylvania, the legislature is expected to convene hearings soon on why states agencies mishandled complaints about a Philadelphia abortion clinic run by a doctor now facing eight murder charges.
In some states, Republican governors and legislative leaders have said the message from the electorate on November 2 was to concentrate on economics and job creation, and have signalled that social issues such as abortion should take a lower priority.
However, Daniel McConchie, vice president of government affairs for Americans United for Life, said there was no reason that Republican leaders couldn't tackle both the economy and abortion.
'For them to do nothing, when they have the opportunity to do something, I think would be problematic,' he said.

'Social conservatives are an integral part of the electorate.'
At the federal level, anti-abortion forces scored significant gains in the House of Representative.

Majority Republicans introduced two bills Thursday to toughen restrictions on taxpayer funding of abortions. One is aimed specifically at Obama's health care law; the other would establish a permanent, government-wide ban on federal subsidies for most abortions.
In addition, Republican Mike Pence has introduced a bill that would ban federal family-planning grants to any organization that performs abortions.

It is aimed at the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, a health care provider and advocate of reproductive rights.
Last year that group, according to Mr Pence, received more than $363million in government grants and contracts while performing 324,008 abortions.
Abortion-rights supporters are nonetheless dismayed by their foes' clout in the House, though these measures might fail to clear the Senate, and would likely face a presidential veto if they did advance.
'We're taking all these threats very seriously,' said Planned Parenthood public policy analyst Emily Stewart.
 

LDB

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His very statement proves murdering babies is wrong. Then again, he's absolute evidence of the need for abortions. Tough call.
 

Poorboy

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Yeah, Well the President is a Freaking Idiot! I'm not going to get into the abortion thing as i have my own views on it But I am Totally against my tax dollars paying for it! So he can stick his So called Rights where he sits! :mad:
 

layoutshooter

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Gee whiz. When I make snide remarks in another thread about abortion being a right I was told that it was not. While I DO know that it is NOT REALLY a right under the Constitution the left BELIEVES that it is. The ONLY thing that the left REALLY likes and stands by is abortion. They have no use for the REAL rights in our Constitution.
 

greg334

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Have you noticed that he has yet to speak about the anniversary of the court cases for civil rights?

By the way, Roe v. Wade was based one privacy between the doctor and the patient, he knows and so does a lot of others in the legal profession know that it had nothing to do with a right. The thing that will be interesting is IF someone will bring to court a complaint that the health care bill violates Roe v. Wade due to the intervention of the insurance companies and if they want to keep the bill intact, then Roe v. Wade will have to be overturned.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Gee whiz. When I make snide remarks in another thread about abortion being a right I was told that it was not. While I DO know that it is NOT REALLY a right under the Constitution the left BELIEVES that it is. The ONLY thing that the left REALLY likes and stands by is abortion. They have no use for the REAL rights in our Constitution.

I disagree. I think they have use for rights by rewarding those faithful to the left with them. What they don't have use for is liberty.
 

layoutshooter

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I disagree. I think they have use for rights by rewarding those faithful to the left with them. What they don't have use for is liberty.

Well, they don't like the RIGHT to own and carry a gun, the RIGHT to free speech or the RIGHT to freely practice you religion. Those are RIGHTS in our Constitution.

Abortion is NOT a federal issue, it is a State issue. Same goes for marriage regulation. The feds have no legal standing.
 

layoutshooter

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I agree. That's why I said they use them to reward different groups on the left.


Yep, I understood what you meant. I just kinda tried to make it a little more clear. Some just don't get the idea that the left is out to destroy our freedoms and our nation.
 

greg334

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BUT it isn't always the left who is benefiting from all of this. The right has a reason to be in the game, for they need something to fight about. If it wasn't for this single issue, a large number of them would be liberals.
 

layoutshooter

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BUT it isn't always the left who is benefiting from all of this. The right has a reason to be in the game, for they need something to fight about. If it wasn't for this single issue, a large number of them would be liberals.

What right wingers in Congress? Most of our Congress and both our president(?) and vice-president(?) are left wingers and have been for a very long time. We have NOT had a Constitutional conservative president or congressional majority in my life time.
 

letzrockexpress

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Gee whiz. When I make snide remarks in another thread about abortion being a right I was told that it was not. While I DO know that it is NOT REALLY a right under the Constitution the left BELIEVES that it is. The ONLY thing that the left REALLY likes and stands by is abortion. They have no use for the REAL rights in our Constitution.

If you believe that your body is your business then it is a real right. In life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, one could absolutely make that argument. Whether you or anyone else believes it is murder doesn't really matter. It happens to be legal in the US. One could also make the argument that hunting defenseless ducks is murder. During duck season it is not, also by law.
 
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greg334

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What seems to be the basis for the 'right' is the concept that it is a woman's body and she has the right to do what ever she wants but when you come down to brass tacks, the right is selective in both concept and execution. What I mean if this was a true right, then a woman could have an organ harvested for money or pleasure on demand just like an abortion.

Layout, the comment has to do with this; there are professional protesters on both sides of an issue. Many of these opponents of this issue are liberal in their way of thinking and even actions except when it comes to this issue. Conservatism has zero to do with it, pretty much it has to do with religious convictions and opinion.
 

layoutshooter

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If you believe that your body is your business then it is a real right. In life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, one could absolutely make that argument. Whether you or anyone else believes it is murder doesn't really matter. It happens to be legal in the US. One could also make the argument that hunting defenseless ducks is murder. During duck season it is not, also by law.


Only HUMAN BEINGS can be MURDERED. It is beyond silly to assign human rights to a food source.

What about the baby who's LIFE you are taking? You remove that child's right to LIFE, they never get a shot at the rest. You have to kill a baby to abort it, a HUMAN baby. No matter what some my think is is not a "cow baby" until the third trimester.

My PERSONAL belief is that it is wrong. My political belief is that that FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has NO LEGAL say in the matter. Abortion, marriage etc are strictly State issues, assuming you agree with the Constitution that is.


States have the ABSOLUTE right to determine for themselves on this matter. Same with education, health care, marriage and so on and so forth. Lincoln never learned that lesson. Neither have what seems like many other Federal oppressors.
 

dieseldiva

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If you believe that your body is your business then it is a real right. In life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, one could absolutely make that argument. Whether you or anyone else believes it is murder doesn't really matter. It happens to be legal in the US. One could also make the argument that hunting defenseless ducks is murder. During duck season it is not, also by law.

Following the logic of the part of the quote in red, the same could be argued AGAINST the health care bill. The left can't have it both ways so which is it?

Also, the "pursuit of happiness" could be stretched to mean just about anything. The drug addict is "pursuing his happiness" when he's buying his drug of choice so we should not arrest him but should HELP him in his pursuit, after all, we cannot be seen as withholding one of his "God-given rights".........see where we're going??

Had to leave and come back with the exact quote in order to make another point. Isn't it ironic that the argument for pursuit of happiness, when used as it has been in this thread, is using something of Biblical origin......

We hold these truths to be self–evident,
That all men are created equal,
That they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights,

That among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
Deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
 
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letzrockexpress

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Following the logic of the part of the quote in red, the same could be argued AGAINST the health care bill. The left can't have it both ways so which is it?

Also, the "pursuit of happiness" could be stretched to mean just about anything. The drug addict is "pursuing his happiness" when he's buying his drug of choice so we should not arrest him but should HELP him in his pursuit, after all, we cannot be seen as withholding one of his "God-given rights".........see where we're going??

Had to leave and come back with the exact quote in order to make another point. Isn't it ironic that the argument for pursuit of happiness, when used as it has been in this thread, is using something of Biblical origin......

I don't necessarily disagree with you. The point is that Abortion is legal. to use your example, drug abuse is not. It is not the same thing. Morality is one thing. The law is something else.
 

layoutshooter

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Besides, the Supreme court CANNOT make abortion, or any other thing, legal or illegal. They can ONLY rule on a law that is passed by either a State or the Federal legislature. They can determine if that law is Constitutional or not. Roe vs. Wade is NOT a law. It does NOT make abortion legal, it struck down a law that made it illegal in a State.
 
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