Poor Palestinians - where is the outrage ?

moose

Veteran Expediter
you know cynical Israel haters care less about Palestinians suffering, when they ignored Palestinians suffering if Israel cannot be blamed for it.
it is that simple.

"Though it may be hard to believe, 1.5 million Palestinians have lived without electricity throughout most of the day in 2013.
For the past two weeks, residents of the Gaza Strip have endured a cycle of six hours of electricity followed by a 12-hour power outage. Last Wednesday, the power went out at 6:00 am and was finally restored only late that evening.
This current crisis is not the result of a tighter “Israeli siege” or anything of the sort; it is caused by disputes between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority over the price of fuel since the tunnels connecting Gaza and Egypt were shut down or destroyed.
Recent Egyptian military activity rendered out of commission hundreds of tunnels that once connected Sinai and Gaza and were used to import one million liters of fuel into Gaza each day. As a result, Hamas has no choice but to purchase fuel from Israel via the Palestinian Authority at prices similar to those found in the Israeli market, namely over seven shekels ($2) per liter of gasoline. That is a major problem for private car owners.
The more acute problem is that fuel is needed to operate the Gaza power plant that generates the majority of the local electricity. The Palestinian Authority purchases a liter of fuel for the power plant for approximately 4 shekels from Israeli gas companies and has tried to sell it to Hamas for almost double, including excise tax.
Hamas has rejected those prices outright and stopped purchasing fuel for its power plant. The dramatic consequence was that the power plant has shut down and the electricity supply has been completely disrupted. The PA refuses to waive the excise tax, a critical part of its own budget. And the residents of Gaza are the ones who suffer."
 

OntarioVanMan

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Owner/Operator
sounds more like an internal problem, 2 of the major political players as the citizens suffer their inactions....sounds a lot like here....Eh?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
you know cynical ...
You know what's really cynical ?

People that selectively quote portions of stories, leaving out that which they don't wish people to see ... and then purposefully fail to link the actual story itself, so that people can find out ...

Sorta makes 'em look less than honest ... kinda like they have something to hide.

You know, stuff like this:

An even greater achievement is the 600-strong Hamas force formed for the sole purpose of preventing missile attacks against Israel. Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, remarkably, now consider Hamas something a security asset in so far as that force preserves the stability on the Gaza-Israel border. While it’s true that Hamas continues to arm itself with the latest models of rockets, including those capable of reaching Tel Aviv, and it’s also true that Hamas digs tunnels to be used in case of future escalation, the bottom line is that relative peace and quiet have been maintained in the region.
Wow ... whodathunk it ?

Hamas ... a security asset ....

Imagine that ...

A year after Pillar of Defense, it's all gone dark in Gaza | The Times of Israel

Israel haters care less about Palestinians suffering, when they ignored Palestinians suffering if Israel cannot be blamed for it.
it is that simple.
Not really ... because you presume that the suffering was being ignored ... something you be very hard-pressed to provide any real evidence for ...

But by all means, please continue with your recitation from the 4 step playbook (being on the "You Suck" portion presently)

Oh yeah ... by the way ... here's a little "They Suck" (Israel) from the other side, just for you:

Israeli refusal to provide power may sink new Gaza sewage plant
Appeal for more electricity made to Israel to no avail.

... The chairman of the Palestinian Energy Authority, Omar Kittaneh, asked the Israel Electric Corporation six months ago to increase its electricity supply to Gaza, in order to operate the sewage treatment plant. He has yet to receive a response ...

The Electric Corporation says the Palestinian Authority’s request is still being examined. The office of the coordinator of government activities in the territories commented: “The sewage treatment project began in 2008. The World Bank requested an increase in power supply from Israel to Gaza three months ago, saying that it hadn’t taken into account the power requirements of the new facility. As we’ve told the applicants, the present power lines cannot carry any extra electricity, since they are operating at maximal capacity. Constructing an additional power line, if approved, will take several years.”

Israeli refusal to provide power may sink new Gaza sewage plant - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
#hamasolepurposesecurityrofl
Laugh all you want but that was an Israel Times writer that made the statement not me.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-hEbpow5WE&client=mv-rim&gl=US&hl=en&guid=

Ahhh ... just what is it that you think you're seeing there in that extremely blurry and very poor quality video ?

If it comes from the IDF or GOI with any assertions, you might wanna think twice:

Exposed: UN agency rips IDF for video alleging militants use its Gaza schools to launch rockets

#idfcgianimationnotquitereadyforprimetime #hasbarafail

BTW - how's that Benghazi scandal thing workin' out for ya ?
 
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EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publica...n-arrest-in-israel-could-affect-you?ref=rt126

Have fun with that. Israel will ultimately triumph over Islam extend their border to the Euphrates and rebuild their temple. Just as soon as the US is out of the way. When that happens, reborn Judiasm will be proclamed as the only true religion this will accepted by the pope, and real christians will be fed into wood chippers.

If you doubt that, look up Solomons annual salary 1 kings 10:14, the psdochrist will be a man like Solomon, I suspect he will usher in a riegn of Isreali prosperity that will replace the US as the dominate economic power. The good news is Feinstien and Shummer will move to Israel if they are still alive.
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
and real christians will be fed into wood chippers.

There's that real Christian thing again? ;)

Have you not heard the news? There are only dazed and confused Christians; who can't interpret the Bible, are schooled on the Bible by non-Christians, and God has no saved people here who know a doggone thing.

But seriously, your post is pretty accurate, or a near version will unfold IMV.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Have fun with that. Israel will ultimately triumph over Islam extend their border to the Euphrates and rebuild their temple. Just as soon as the US is out of the way. When that happens, reborn Judiasm will be proclamed as the only true religion this will accepted by the pope, and real christians will be fed into wood chippers.

If you doubt that, look up Solomons annual salary 1 kings 10:14, the psdochrist will be a man like Solomon, I suspect he will usher in a riegn of Isreali prosperity that will replace the US as the dominate economic power. The good news is Feinstien and Shummer will move to Israel if they are still alive.
Ahhh ... the above definitely does qualify as being thoroughly anti-semitic ...


Personally, I find it utterly repugnant ... and quite delusional ...


It adds absolutely nothing to the original topic of this discussion ...
 

EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
Incidently the "jews" aren't the only semites, egyptians syrians palestinians add on infinitum are semites too.

There is no outrage, what is happening in Palestine is NONE of the US's bussiness. If the Jews win so be it, if the Moslems push them into the sea so be it.

All I'm saying is They are going to win, its Satans will to bring forth his king a man like Solomon. 1 kings 10:14 its their book not mine.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
There is no outrage,
Depends on who you are I guess ...

what is happening in Palestine is NONE of the US's bussiness.
In terms of the US - as a nation - that would largely be true - if it were not for the fact that we as a nation are subsidizing and enabling it.

I'll pass on addressing the rest of your commentary ... since in my estimation it doesn't merit a response.
 
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aquitted

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Retired Expediter
Ahhh ... the above definitely does qualify as being thoroughly anti-semitic ...





It adds absolutely nothing to the original topic of this discussion ...
I'm not anti-semetic just anti-semi thats why I drive a straight truck. B.T.W. My carma ran over my dogma
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
Incidently the "jews" aren't the only semites, egyptians syrians palestinians add on infinitum are semites too.

Correct. This is why it's silly to have anti-whomever, laws. It does point to the real reason however. :)


All I'm saying is They are going to win, its Satans will to bring forth his king a man like Solomon. 1 kings 10:14 its their book not mine.

Not sure how this verse plays out for you. What is the significance of 1 Kings 10:14? Just curious.
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
Something will play out in the Middle East, as it's written to be so. Who starts it, is anyone's guess, but all the makings are there.

It will seem to look as a fulfillment of prophecy :rolleyes: with all the usual suspects in play. This will totally fool many Christians (once again) who are looking for Israel to be the centerpiece of conflagration and prophecy fulfillment.

It's not the Jews, it's not the US, and it's not any one country or race. All religions, nations, and kings will be totally caught up in it.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
John Kerry has it all figured out: hmmm,,look at the faces and the handshake looks really weak,,body language tells a lot.
Tell me ... do you see any problem at all with a guy (Steve Foley) who "publishes" articles under his own byline - including an "About the Author" block at the bottom of the article about himself ... which are, in fact, actually complete articles by other authors that were published elsewhere ?

While Mr. Foley does at least acknowledge and credit the actual author and original publisher, his manner of publishing seems to suggest a less than professional approach to his (relatively ?) new career.

Can you tell me what part of the "article" is actually Mr. Foley's as compared to the actual author's ?

You're not trying to somehow compete with our resident referencer of "Godfather Politics" now are you ?

The Minority Report Blog | Conservative News & Opinion

Caroline Glick ... seriously ?

Your tastes really seem to span quite the range there skyraider - from Islamophobic wingnut hacks ... to extremist Ziobot racist hacks ...

B'Tselem chief: 'Caroline Glick a hack who parrots any drivel' | +972 Magazine

The Lies Of Caroline Glick - FailedMessiah.com

I mean I do understand that racism has always sorta been in fashion down in your neck of the woods ... but do you really have any idea of the character and history of the woman whose articles you are linking ?

Eileen Read: The Jerusalem Post Should Fire Caroline Glick for Making a Racist Video

Helen Thomas Scorned, Caroline Glick Praised | The Third Way

What's next ... a little David Duke ?

Maybe something from Don Black ?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
An alternative view of situation, in comparison to Glick's deluded propagandist screed:

Palestinians: Kerry taking Israel's side, no longer neutral mediator

Senior officials in Ramallah accuse State Secretary of compensating Jerusalem for U.S. position on Iran.

By Jack Khoury | Dec. 18, 2013 | 12:45 AM |

Senior Palestinian sources are blaming the Obama administration for favoring the Israeli positions in the peace talks, claiming that this is compensation to Israel for the U.S. position in the Iran negotiations and blaming Washington’s stance for causing a crisis in the process here.

According to a senior Palestinian official, during U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry’s last two visits to the region and in his meetings with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the negotiating team, there were significant disagreements and a difficult atmosphere prevailed in the discussions.

The source said that in addition to the security plan suggested by the Americans, which promised an Israeli presence in the Jordan Valley for 10 years, the issue of recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, as demanded by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was also raised.

On Monday the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper, quoting senior Palestinian sources, reported that the United States had agreed to Israel’s demand regarding Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, and that the Americans were pressuring the Palestinians to accept this position and include it in the framework agreement that Kerry plans to present in the next few weeks.

Abbas’ associates are not denying the report, although they are making an effort to moderate the tone. “The Americans see this as a legitimate proposal, but the Palestinian response was clear – that we cannot agree to suggestions that constitute a gross violation of Palestinian national principles,” said one source close to Abbas. “Imagine if the United States would demand that it be recognized as a state of white Christians. What would the response be in the United States and in the rest of the world?”


In addition, the Palestinians resent the new preoccupation with keeping Israeli troops in the Jordan Valley, and claim that Israel is presenting that issue as separate from the core issues defined in the Oslo Accords, which include borders, refugees, settlements, security arrangements and water sources.


‘Israel weighing 
down talks’


The Palestinians argue that throughout all the negotiations conducted with Israel in the 20 years since Oslo was signed, the Jordan Valley was discussed in the context of security arrangements. But in the talks that began some four months ago, Israel started addressing this separately from the security issue. “Israel is doing all it can to lengthen the negotiations by bringing more and more clauses to the table, to cause a delay and to make the talks so cumbersome and complicated that they won’t produce any practical results,” a source said.


This dovetails with the prevailing opinion among the Palestinians in recent weeks, and particularly after Kerry’s most recent visit, that Kerry no longer qualifies as a neutral mediator.

Sources described the meeting with him last Friday in Ramallah as being a very difficult one, a meeting that left the Palestinian side uncertain as to the future of the talks, despite Abbas’ declaration that he would stick with the negotiating process for the allocated nine months.


Haaretz has learned that the Palestinian negotiators and advocacy teams are already preparing for the “day after” - to lobby the international community for support after the talks fail to bring any tangible results other than the freeing of older prisoners. Earlier this week it was reported that Abbas had requested an urgent convening of the Arab League foreign ministers and that such a meeting was to take place within the next few weeks.


The lack of progress in the talks with Israel once again raises the issue of reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas. Palestinian sources say both parties are already feeling the public pressure on the one hand, but on the other hand both are enmeshed in deep political crises – Fatah because the talks with Israel aren’t progressing and Hamas due to the breakdown of relations with Egypt and Saudi Arabia.


According to Palestinian reports, Abbas and Hamas political bureau director Khaled Meshal, who is in Qatar, spoke by phone over the weekend, with Abbas associates describing the conversation as warm. During the conversation, Abbas promised Meshal that any agreement with Israel would be submitted to a referendum in both Gaza and the West Bank.


Palestinian sources said the two had spoken to discuss the humanitarian situation in Gaza after the storm.


The Maan news agency reported that Hamas has removed its objections to establishing a unity government that would lay the groundwork for general elections for the PA presidency and its legislative council. It also reported that Abbas would hold consultations on the matter after the Arab League meeting.

Palestinians: Kerry taking Israel's side, no longer neutral mediator - Haaretz
 
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