Doug Schoen is a Democratic pollster and Fox News contributer. He is a moderate democrat and not a fringe right winger or a neo con.FoxNews.com - Why the Muslim Brotherhood Will Win
Pollster Doug Schoen's poll on Egypt.
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Uhhh .... what poll of Doug Schoen's on Egypt are you referring to ? 
From what I read, he didn't actually conduct a (recent) poll .... in fact, the article you linked actually states:
"While very recent public opinion polling from Egypt is not currently available, a number of clear inferences about what is likely to happen can be drawn from prior surveys and prior election results."
IOW, he has an opinion ..... about what past polling means in the present.
From Schoen's own webpage, pimping his books:
"Mad as Hell is a hell of a book. Rasmussen and Schoen have given us a data-rich, historically informed, and politically incorrect analysis of a fascinating and important political phenomenon — the Tea Party movement. Don’t go out into political debate without reading this book first."
—William Kristol, Editor, The Weekly Standard
"Doug Schoen and Scott Rasmussen are two of the most important and influential analysts of public opinion in America today, and their study of the Tea Party movement deserves careful consideration by anyone interested in assessing the critical importance of this growing movement."
—Sean Hannity
Interestingly .... or perhaps more accurately, tellingly ..... the only two recommendations Mr. Schoen chooses to feature on the main page of his site are from .... wait for it .....
Neocons ......
..... go figure .... I never woulda thunk it ....
From what I read, he didn't actually conduct a (recent) poll .... in fact, the article you linked actually states:
"While very recent public opinion polling from Egypt is not currently available, a number of clear inferences about what is likely to happen can be drawn from prior surveys and prior election results."
IOW, he has an opinion ..... about what past polling means in the present.
Yeah ..... but they really, really seem to like him ......
From Schoen's own webpage, pimping his books:
"Mad as Hell is a hell of a book. Rasmussen and Schoen have given us a data-rich, historically informed, and politically incorrect analysis of a fascinating and important political phenomenon — the Tea Party movement. Don’t go out into political debate without reading this book first."
—William Kristol, Editor, The Weekly Standard
"Doug Schoen and Scott Rasmussen are two of the most important and influential analysts of public opinion in America today, and their study of the Tea Party movement deserves careful consideration by anyone interested in assessing the critical importance of this growing movement."
—Sean Hannity
Interestingly .... or perhaps more accurately, tellingly ..... the only two recommendations Mr. Schoen chooses to feature on the main page of his site are from .... wait for it .....
Neocons ......
..... go figure .... I never woulda thunk it ....
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well the real problem is any poll that is taken in Egypt is really meaningless when there isn't an adjustment for the cultural differences between the pollster and the audience here. Not many even heard of the Muslim Brotherhood until Egypt came into the national spotlight and even then most of the audience here are ignorant to the fact as the importance or lack of importance that this event has garnered in their daily lives. The piece seems to be written by a typical reporter who doesn't seem to get the idea that sharia law is the basis for all Muslims, and of course Egyptians make it a part of their lives.
In addition, the poll is meaningless to most here, it can't be used to understand the importance of Islam in the people's lives or easily explained why some of the polls findings look like they are being taken over by Muslims without understanding the situation in that part of the world.
In addition, the poll is meaningless to most here, it can't be used to understand the importance of Islam in the people's lives or easily explained why some of the polls findings look like they are being taken over by Muslims without understanding the situation in that part of the world.
The public opinion polls were taken within the last two years. They are recent enough to carry weight. He was actually questioned by Hannity on how recent the polling data was. I guess because two conservatives recommended his books that discredits him? That's funny. Yet no comment on the actual polling data about Egypt. Very telling.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
LOL ..... Hannity ?
Not necessarily ..... I just thought it was interesting that you felt it necessary to point out that he was a moderate democrat and not a neo-con in your original post. (Now, that's actually funny.)
My commentary was designed to make it clear that Mr. Schoen certainly has some neocon fans ..... a fact that certainly wasn't evident from your initial introduction, which could erroneously lead one to the opposite conclusion.
Additionally, it must be pointed out that Mr. Schoen is Jewish, a fact that may well affect his outlook on matters related to Islam and the Middle East.
I don't necessarily have an issue with the polling data ..... aristotle rightly points out the reality of the matter (conclusions and implications are another matter) and greg raises a number of valid points, with respect to understanding what the actual significance or meaning of it is.
The difference is, perhaps, that I am not terrorized and placed in fear of my mortal life by the data. Some are. They have my condolences.
Not really ..... but good try ....
I merely pointed out that he was a moderate democrat(actually a moderate lib) and not some "right wing fringe" person that would immediately be dimissed as a kook with no merits to what they say. I posted this article because it got my attention when he was on Hannity's show and was agreeing with him about Egypt. He usually doesn't have the same views as him when he is on his show. Schoenn gave his opinion and was backed up by recent polling data(within 2 yrs.) that he read. As far as Schoenn being Jewish,yes that is true,but you don't have to Jewish to be concerned when 80percent of Egypt believe in abrogating the Camp david peace accord.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Plenty of kooks - and just those who are sadly misinformed in one way or another - on both sides of the aisle.
Sounds like a really good motivation for Israel to get right with it's neighbors ....
My suggestion: skip the mass deployment of (US-made) clusterbombs as part of "getting right" ....
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Hmmm ...... suggesting the cessation of the use of specific weapons which indiscriminately target innocent civilians (including women and children) ..... is somehow equivalent with complete unilateral disarmament is ..... well, that's just pretty much totally retarded .....
Perhaps you'd like to give it another go in Round 2 ?
Hmmm ...... suggesting the cessation of the use of specific weapons which indiscriminately target innocent civilians (including women and children) ..... is somehow equivalent with complete unilateral disarmament is ..... well, that's just pretty much totally retarded .....
Perhaps you'd like to give it another go in Round 2
?
As retarded and dillusional equal or more than the cessation of specific self defense weapons as a way of "getting right" with it's neighbors. They are using them for self defense. http://israeltheviewfromhere.blogspot.com/2009/01/hamas-hides-behind-kids-in-school.html
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Rlent,
The problem is Israel's enemies don't look at who is innocent or who is not and clearly has absolutely no hesitation of killing civilians, young and old so I can't see why there should be a consideration of restraint until both sides agree to it and one will never.
The problem is Israel's enemies don't look at who is innocent or who is not and clearly has absolutely no hesitation of killing civilians, young and old so I can't see why there should be a consideration of restraint until both sides agree to it and one will never.
Black Sheep
Expert Expediter
Well, well...there's that same old argument again. Anybody that doesn't see things your way is stupid, or maybe retarded. What's stupid and retarded is the idea that the Israelis are using weapons that "indiscriminately target innocent civilians (including women and children)..." It's obvious from this and a number of other previous posts that you're (a) totally clueless when it comes to the history of the middle east, or (b) an outspoken advocate for organizations like Hamas and the Party of God. Personally, I think it's both since no one who's even remotely up to speed on events in the area would have any trouble understanding the stance of the Israelis considering the attacks from their neighbors who want them erased from the earth. The suggestion that Israel should "get right with it's neighbors" displays an ignorance that's just breathtaking. Maybe you should try making an argument that consists of substance rather than in effect shouting down everyone else with bold letters, underlines and personal insults. Fortunately no one else on this website uses that style of debate or conversation, and for good reason.