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I would hope that they would start to pay attention to drivers. Now they go full tilt in ideas that just aren't working
panther_art
Expert Expediter
If you are not a panther please don't vote on "who cares" this is important to us drivers
Fr8 Shaker
Veteran Expediter
The longest dwell time would be the fairest way to go. scenario; You delivered a 300 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. another driver delivers a 1100 mile load in Memphis but arrived lets say 8 hours before you did. another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles and it is offered to the driver that just got done with the 1100 miler because he got on that board before you did. By tomorrow he has 1800 miles in for 2 days running and you have 300 miles in for 4 days. Guess you should have asked for a first out. ( see other post. )
Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.
Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.
are12
Expert Expediter
The longest dwell time would be the fairest way to go. scenario; You delivered a 300 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. another driver delivers a 1100 mile load in Memphis but arrived lets say 8 hours before you did. another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles and it is offered to the driver that just got done with the 1100 miler because he got on that board before you did. By tomorrow he has 1800 miles in for 2 days running and you have 300 miles in for 4 days. Guess you should have asked for a first out. ( see other post. )
Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.
I don't know if this would work either. Let's take another scenerio: You are sitting at a location for 2 days, after delivering a 1000 mile run. Someone else did a 700 mile run and has sat for 2 1/2 days, then decides to DH 250 miles to the location you are at. A load comes up that has 800 miles behind it and is given to the guy that just bumped you to 2nd, would that be fair??
We kind of like the way Panther use to do things, with the 50 mile radius. This new systems seems to benefit the larger fleet owners because they can spread their trucks out. Plus, the fleet owner's are not the one's sitting in the middle of an empty parking lot if there are no truck stops around.
Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.
I don't know if this would work either. Let's take another scenerio: You are sitting at a location for 2 days, after delivering a 1000 mile run. Someone else did a 700 mile run and has sat for 2 1/2 days, then decides to DH 250 miles to the location you are at. A load comes up that has 800 miles behind it and is given to the guy that just bumped you to 2nd, would that be fair??
We kind of like the way Panther use to do things, with the 50 mile radius. This new systems seems to benefit the larger fleet owners because they can spread their trucks out. Plus, the fleet owner's are not the one's sitting in the middle of an empty parking lot if there are no truck stops around.
Fr8 Shaker
Veteran Expediter
Well if your going by dwell time then yes it would be fair because they have been sitting longer then you and I think it's more fair then someone coming in with a first out.
The problem with any/all these scenarios is they are imminently fair if you are on one side of it and totally unfair if you are on the other side of it. It doesn't matter what system they use, it's going to be both good and bad depending on the situation of the moment.
You delivered a 700 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. Another driver, let's call him me, delivers a 90 mile load in Memphis from Jackson, but I arrived 8 hours before you did. Another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles. Who gets that load, you or me?
I say me.
So what if another driver has 1800 miles in 2 days and you have 300 miles in 4 days? You're mad 'cause another driver "one upped" you or something? Should Panther divide all miles between all trucks equally? That's about as silly as getting mad 'cause another driver drove the meat out of a load and you get offered the scraps. What about when you drive the meat out of a load and someone else gets scraps, or what about when you get 1800 miles in 2 days and someone else gets 300 in 4 days?
I say me.
So what if another driver has 1800 miles in 2 days and you have 300 miles in 4 days? You're mad 'cause another driver "one upped" you or something? Should Panther divide all miles between all trucks equally? That's about as silly as getting mad 'cause another driver drove the meat out of a load and you get offered the scraps. What about when you drive the meat out of a load and someone else gets scraps, or what about when you get 1800 miles in 2 days and someone else gets 300 in 4 days?
Express One does dwell time....you can take it anywhere you chose....
Last month we were #1 in W. Memphis and by 1pm we were bumped back to 5th...other units were coming up from Fort Smith and Texas with more dwell time....BUT on the other side of coin we sat 3 days in El Paso and chose to DH to Laredo where 3 other vans were waiting..upon arriving we were offered a load...it's a 2 headed dragon...If you go OOS then all dwell time is lost.
Last month we were #1 in W. Memphis and by 1pm we were bumped back to 5th...other units were coming up from Fort Smith and Texas with more dwell time....BUT on the other side of coin we sat 3 days in El Paso and chose to DH to Laredo where 3 other vans were waiting..upon arriving we were offered a load...it's a 2 headed dragon...If you go OOS then all dwell time is lost.
nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
if your dwell follws you, when you change areas you are laying over inn,there is sometrhing relly wrong with this senario.
Jefferson3000
Expert Expediter
Just a question from an outsider: Why would you want to allow Truck #11 to bump you from a first out in the great spot you chose to sit in, just because truck #11 chose to sit on a dead board for 5 days, and now wants to come and visit you?
You want the system that rewards people for making smart decisions.
You want the system that rewards people for making smart decisions.
Fr8 Shaker
Veteran Expediter
I don't recall saying anything about dividing miles equally, I was talking about sitting for a couple of days and not getting a load offer, boards set aside it shouldn't matter where your at but how long it has been since you were offered a load. Now if you are offered a load and turn it down that is a different story or you were out of service, then your dwell time would be reset to zero. If you were offered a 90 mile load and you accept it then thats your load and dwell is reset to zero. Actually the amount of miles doesn't matter it all has to do when you were last offered a load. If you had 1800 miles in and I had 300 but i just delivered and you were sitting then you should be offered the next load first. there still is luck to the draw.
When you take a load out to BFE, one of the risks is not getting another load quickly, whether you sit right there or move to another location. If I take a short 90 mile run to Memphis, to get to a better location, I shouldn't be penalized just because someone chose to sit for 2 days, 250 miles away, completely off the Memphis board, and then decided to come in and jump ahead of me. I chose to go to Memphis based on many factors, not the least of which is how many other trucks are on that board.
Board positions are based on POD times, which is de facto dwell time on that board. You wanna change boards you should start all over from scratch.
If they were to do completely away with board positions based on POD times and go strictly with dwell times, it opens things up even further to abuse. We've got cargo van drivers already using the 34 hour restart, and Available-Sleeping for 2 or 3 days, in order to preserve a #1 board position while they go home over the weekend, then come back out on Monday and magically be top of the board. Of course, if they get caught doing that, they get placed OOS without notice from dispatch, as the 34 hour restart isn't available to van drivers, and the Available Sleeping is to be for no more than 12 hours without losing your board position.
We'll have people delivering on a Friday, going home 500 miles away, then coming back out Monday or Tuesday banging dispatch over the head with their 3 days of dwell time looking to get loaded ASAP in front of people who have been sitting there all weekend.
Board positions are based on POD times, which is de facto dwell time on that board. You wanna change boards you should start all over from scratch.
If they were to do completely away with board positions based on POD times and go strictly with dwell times, it opens things up even further to abuse. We've got cargo van drivers already using the 34 hour restart, and Available-Sleeping for 2 or 3 days, in order to preserve a #1 board position while they go home over the weekend, then come back out on Monday and magically be top of the board. Of course, if they get caught doing that, they get placed OOS without notice from dispatch, as the 34 hour restart isn't available to van drivers, and the Available Sleeping is to be for no more than 12 hours without losing your board position.
We'll have people delivering on a Friday, going home 500 miles away, then coming back out Monday or Tuesday banging dispatch over the head with their 3 days of dwell time looking to get loaded ASAP in front of people who have been sitting there all weekend.
Fr8 Shaker
Veteran Expediter
Turtle says: If I take a short 90 mile run to Memphis, to get to a better location, I shouldn't be penalized just because someone chose to sit for 2 days, 250 miles away, completely off the Memphis board, and then decided to come in and jump ahead of me.
And how would that be different then say someone delivering in canton,ms. getting a first out then d/h up to memphis and jumping in front of you. It's not, but with dwell time if he delivered after you, you would be offered the load first. And as far as someone d/h 1000 miles total just to go home and return, you won't have to worry about them for long.
BTW do you have any suggestions for trying to make it as fair as possible out here?
And how would that be different then say someone delivering in canton,ms. getting a first out then d/h up to memphis and jumping in front of you. It's not, but with dwell time if he delivered after you, you would be offered the load first. And as far as someone d/h 1000 miles total just to go home and return, you won't have to worry about them for long.
BTW do you have any suggestions for trying to make it as fair as possible out here?
Well, it kind of is different. The first out was given to get them to take the load to a place they knew they'd have a hard time getting anything out of. I've gotten first outs in that same situation, and I've had people jump me for the same exact scenario. It's hard to get mad at that.
That's very true. Then again, if he delivered before me and is driving up there for 3 hours while I've been sitting, he'll jump me, even though I honestly don't consider driving time as dwell time.
You're assuming they'd return the 500 miles back. They wouldn't. They'd drop in Princeton, IN at 0700 on Friday morning and head home to Flint for the weekend. Then come back out Monday noon with their 3 days of dwell time in tow.
Yeah, first, they have to get these boards straightened out, get them defined and organized in a manner that makes sense. The boundaries should be well defined and everyone should know precisely where they are.
Then, First Outs should be given for a mini, a dry run, being pulled from a load due for any reason out of your control (being held up at the shipper, consignee, the border, or some other unforeseen delay), for being forced to swap a load (cargo van) because someone in Dispatch can't use common sense and instead can't get 47 MPH out of their head and they think you don't have time to take a 5 hour break even though you do. I can't think of any other reasons for a First Out. A First Out should be given as a reward for a mini or for something else that happens that otherwise interferes with your earning potential.
Once given a First Out, you keep it until you accept the next load and then POD out with that load, unless you change your status to OOS. You can turn down as many loads as you like until you get one that suits you. Period.
With the boards properly defined in a manner that makes sense, and with the First Out BS out of the way, then the FIFO of the board will essentially be the same as dwell time, as people won't have to change boards very often at all. If they choose to change boards, they take their chances, but there should be no ambiguity as to where the board boundaries are (I cannot stress that enough). If they take a load that delivers in BFE they take their chances, and they should have negotiated a price that makes it worth taking a load to BFE and having to deadhead back to be at the bottom of a board.
Standard, common sense rules about expediting would still apply, like, board position notwithstanding, you could be jumped for a time-critical pickup for someone who is closer to the freight, or a Sprinter could jump an E-350 for tall freight, or an E-350 could jump a Sprinter because of heavy freight. And, all vans could be jumped because they gotta keep those straight truck teams rollin' and happy.
Thank Goodness for being abit smaller...hope we never go to boards....they pretty much draw a 50 mile circle around us and thats where we sit. And as turtle said dwell time isn't the only factor when dispatching a load....Just another way to break a tie score.
Fr8 Shaker
Veteran Expediter
Fr8 Shaker;
Now were starting to get on the same page mostly. I agree about defining the boards. You cannot do it the way they suggest LOL. Keep checking your board position to see when it changes, because 1st of all you can only check it once an hour and 2nd once you see it has changed you lost your position. Duhhhhhhh.
As far as first outs go I think they should only be given for dry runs and cancelled runs. As far as minis go they should just pay more as I said it the other post ( dry runs ) speaking for vans only a mini should pay 100.00 and drivers would most likely take them I know I would, hell I'd do 2 or 3 a day if I could get them. But if you are given a 1st out then it should only be for the area/board that you were on. Not take it with you. reason being as an example, I delivered in Murfreesboro,Tn. on a thursday afternoon, after delivery I was 3rd out on a five a day board...5 a day at that time. I was hoping to get back out on friday but knew I might be there the weekend. As time went by, by late friday afternoon I had moved up to 1st out and remained first out all weekend, come monday morning I was 3rd out because 2 drivers with first outs moved into that board. then later I was moved up to 2nd out and by tuesday I was back to 3rd. finally got out tuesday afternoon.
Now get rid of the first out for favors and pay more for minis and I agree with everything else you suggest. Now just tell your driver representative to tell panther to make it so.
Sorry I don't know how you separate the different quotes.
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Under a 100 miles we sprinters get $100 plus fsc on the mileage and CV's get $75.00 plus fsc there are no first outs except on cancelled or dry runs.
Fr8 Shaker
Veteran Expediter
thats the way it should be except vans should get 100.00 too. 1 skid at 100 #'s is still 1 skid at a 100 #'s But the main reason I say 100.00 is because this could be all you get for the day and even a mini could eat up to 3 hours of time if not possibably more.