Paul Ryan Republican speech 'contained errors'

EnglishLady

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Now why would a politician say one thing and mean another :rolleyes:

LOL


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Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan has come under fire for alleged inaccuracies during his convention debut in Tampa, Florida.

Mr Ryan attacked the president for making cuts to the Medicare healthcare programme, but did not say that his own budget plan includes the same savings.

He complained that proposals by a budget commission were not adopted, but did not mention he opposed its report.

Thursday sees Mitt Romney formally accept the Republican nomination.

Mr Romney's speech to the convention is the challenger's biggest opportunity yet to make his case to the nation and is one of the set-piece events of the US election calendar.

He and Mr Ryan will challenge President Barack Obama and his Vice-President Joe Biden on election day, 6 November.

Facts in dispute

In a barnstorming speech to a rapt audience, Mr Ryan promised a "turnaround" for America and said Mr Obama's administration was tired and out of ideas.

The Wisconsin congressman said he and Mitt Romney would not duck the tough issues.

Mr Ryan, who serves as chairman of the House of Representatives Budget Committee, is known as a leading Washington policy "wonk", responsible for the budget plans backed by Mr Romney and Republicans in Congress.

But fact-checkers listening to his speech on Wednesday night quickly alleged that he had been slack with his facts.

On a key area of debate, the future of Medicare, the government-run health programme for over-65s, Mr Ryan accused the White House of slashing $716bn (£450bn) from the much-loved scheme.

But FactCheck.org, amongst others, said Mr Obama's 2010 healthcare reform law does not cut money from Medicare, but simply reduces the growth in spending on the scheme in an effort to keep it solvent.

In addition, Mr Ryan - who described the Obama plan as "the biggest, coldest, power play of all" - failed to note that he proposed virtually the same cuts in his own budget plans.

He accused the president of "political patronage" via his $800bn stimulus plan, passed in 2008. However, he neglected in his speech to mention that he sought to procure stimulus dollars for energy firms in his home state of Wisconsin, the Associated Press notes.

The vice-presidential hopeful was also accused of misleading his audience over the timing of the closure of a GM plant in his home town of Janesville, Wisconsin.

That statement earned Mr Ryan a "false" rating from PolitiFact.com, having failed to note that the plant closed under the previous administration of President George W Bush.

The Obama campaign released a web video on Thursday highlighting Mr Ryan's contentious statements, and dubbing him the "wrong choice for the middle class".

'We will lead'

Despite the arguments over Mr Ryan's choice of facts, his speech won a rousing reception from the audience in Tampa

The 42-year-old Wisconsin congressman, already a seven-term Washington veteran, is a hugely popular figure for many conservatives in the Republican fold because of his determination to take a hard line on fiscal issues facing the US.

Correspondents say the choice of Mr Ryan has made Mitt Romney's candidacy more palatable to conservatives who doubted his credentials during a long primary process

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Pilgrim

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Factcheck.org needs to get its facts straight. Here is yet another example of self-proclaimed "truth detectors" displaying a decidedly liberal bias. There can be no dispute that the GM plant in Janesville was producing vehicles until April 2009 and that Obama made a speech there implying that if elected he would keep that plant open. George Bush was NOT responsible for the closing of that plant.
Various number-crunchers have pointed out that the $716 Billion Obama takes from Medicare comes at the expense of providers of services - doctors and hospitals would get paid LESS while more money goes into subsidizing ObamaCare. Ryan's plan does not work this way, and actually proposes an alternative plan for those under 55 that's similar to the one offered to govt employees and members of the House and Senate.
That Ryan requested stimulus dollars is irrelevant to the obvious truth that the Stimulus plan was a colossal failure. They also didn't mention which industries might have been the recipients to said funds, but it's doubtful they were bankrupt cronies of useless energy sources like Solyndra.
Maybe Factcheck.org should stop making their own facts, or better yet stop using Democrat talking points as source material.
 

Humble2drive

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Factcheck.org needs to get its facts straight. Here is yet another example of self-proclaimed "truth detectors" displaying a decidedly liberal bias. There can be no dispute that the GM plant in Janesville was producing vehicles until April 2009 and that Obama made a speech there implying that if elected he would keep that plant open. George Bush was NOT responsible for the closing of that plant.

Absolutely they ceased production in 2009; however, the CEO announced his plans to close that factory along with 3 others In 2008 meaning that the wheels were already in motion.
The company saved over $1 billion from those closings and other cut backs. Hard to argue with those numbers.
Is it just too crazy to suggest that NO particular president is to fully blame for a company/industry that had been losing profits for years for many different reasons??
Either way, it just seems like an unnecessary example for Ryan to use when it results in poor public perception of him at a time when when he needs to win over the electorate.
Oh, in addition. Obama did not promise to keep the plant open if elected. He said that if they continued to produce Hybrids and other "green" type vehicles and complete the retooling process then they would have his support. Yea, political blah blah, but he forgot to check with the CEO who was more set on the savings vs the green future. Just my opinion.
 

bobwg

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wow green cars like the volt????? and how is that going ??? GM is shutting down the Volt again for 4 weeks this will be the 4th time this year the Volt plant has been shut down due to poor sales
 

davekc

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That is the brainless thinking of the current administration. The Volt is a disaster. But wait.....now they passed requirements for automakers to achieve outrageous fuel mileage by 2025. The auto industry says they "think" they can do it but the majority won't be able to afford them.
Kinda like new trucks with the regen systems.
Might be a good idea to have someone that understands some simple business skills or maybe....just common sense.:rolleyes:
 

muttly

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Absolutely they ceased production in 2009; however, the CEO announced his plans to close that factory along with 3 others In 2008 meaning that the wheels were already in motion.
The company saved over $1 billion from those closings and other cut backs. Hard to argue with those numbers.
Is it just too crazy to suggest that NO particular president is to fully blame for a company/industry that had been losing profits for years for many different reasons??
Either way, it just seems like an unnecessary example for Ryan to use when it results in poor public perception of him at a time when when he needs to win over the electorate.
Oh, in addition. Obama did not promise to keep the plant open if elected. He said that if they continued to produce Hybrids and other "green" type vehicles and complete the retooling process then they would have his support. Yea, political blah blah, but he forgot to check with the CEO who was more set on the savings vs the green future. Just my opinion.

Political blah blah? He promised the people of Wisconsin that the Janesville plant open would stay open and it didn't . As English Lady posed the question in her opening post: "Now why would a politician say one thing and mean another?" Pandering for votes maybe?
Fact-checking the factcheckers on Ryan’s speech; Update: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville” « Hot Air
Looks like Ryan's statements about Obama and GM are accurate afterall.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...rt-Proves-Ryan-Was-Correct-About-Plant-Cosure
 
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Political blah blah? He promised the people of Wisconsin that the Janesville plant open would stay open and it didn't .
Actually he didn't promise the Janesville plant would stay open. He promised that plants "like this" would stay open. That's very different from an unqualified "this plant, specifically, will remain open.
 

muttly

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Actually he didn't promise the Janesville plant would stay open. He promised that plants "like this" would stay open. That's very different from an unqualified "this plant, specifically, will remain open.

Um ok. Sounds like a lawyeristic answer to me. So Obama gives a speech at the time to a Wisconsin crowd. He says plants "like this" but wasn't necessarily referring to the Wisconsin plant. He was actually referring to the Springhill plant?:rolleyes: It IS a stretch. Depending of course what the meaning of IS, IS. And Also to say plants "like this " is very different isn't quite accurate given the context of his speech. Again he was giving a speech to the Wisconsin crowd referring to the Wisconsin plant. Let me use this in a sentence for you. Obama: When I lose the election this November, I want someone "like" my V.P. Joe Biden by my side. He is not referring to somone like Joe Biden. He is referring to Joe Biden.
 

bobwg

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Um ok. Sounds like a lawyeristic answer to me. So Obama gives a speech at the time to a Wisconsin crowd. He says plants "like this" but wasn't necessarily referring to the Wisconsin plant. He was actually referring to the Springhill plant?:rolleyes: It IS a stretch. Depending of course what the meaning of IS, IS. And Also to say plants "like this " is very different isn't quite accurate given the context of his speech. Again he was giving a speech to the Wisconsin crowd referring to the Wisconsin plant. Let me use this in a sentence for you. Obama: When I lose the election this November, I want someone "like" my V.P. Joe Biden by my side. He is not referring to somone like Joe Biden. He is referring to Joe Biden.

Lawyers are part of the problem
 

Humble2drive

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Political blah blah? He promised the people of Wisconsin that the Janesville plant open would stay open and it didn't .
He made no such promise.

“As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville”
Looks like Ryan's statements about Obama and GM are accurate afterall.

Opps! Wrong quote. Ryan was referring to the speech that Obama made at the Janesville plant:

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years"

No promises there.

Again. Ryan had been criticized for using this questionable story earlier in his campaign. Why not just drop it and find a better example instead of inviting negative attention to himself.
 

muttly

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Lawyers are part of the problem

Clint would agree. :D

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muttly

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He made no such promise.



Opps! Wrong quote. Ryan was referring to the speech that Obama made at the Janesville plant:

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years"

No promises there.

Again. Ryan had been criticized for using this questionable story earlier in his campaign. Why not just drop it and find a better example instead of inviting negative attention to himself.

Obama's promises not kept.
Criticized by whom? The Obama campaign,the bias leftist media, fraudulant fact checkers? He will draw negative attention regardless what he or Romney says. Like the phony fact checker lambasting Romney's welfare ad.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Thing is there should be NO Federal funds for private business.....get out of the private market...period.....
 

OntarioVanMan

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Just wondering where Romneys statement of making 12 million jobs? he did mention reducing Corp taxes...which is like, short term pain for long term gain....
 
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