jamom123
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Don't worry theres plenty of real information. Your issue is you only believe the information that coincides with your beliefs.
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Ovary.. appendix.. whatever
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Don't worry theres plenty of real information. Your issue is you only believe the information that coincides with your beliefs.
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jamom123
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
I think he was referring to LDB's comments - which appear to have been directed at me.
FWIW, I'm not offended either ... since what is being expressed isn't reflective of my own opinion
There ya go ... a little intellectual sparring back and forth never killed anyone as far as I know.I kind of figured what he would say anyway. I just love CONFLICT.
Somewhat doubtful ... IMO of course.
Generally, I'm a fan of less rules and regulations ... and more discourse.
You know the good doctor then ?
Or otherwise know of him ... and his travels ?
Because my comment (that you referred to by quoting), was entirely in that context ...
LOL ... okey-dokey ...
Seems like a rather ironic statement ... given that it appears you think that I:
1. support Obamacare, and
2. support a single-payer system:
" I know where you stand on these issues and apparently we disagree."
If that is the case (that you know), I'd be real curious to know how you know that ... or how you drew that conclusion ... since I've not announced any support for either so far as I know or can recall ...
In fact, the only public statements (one of which was not on this forum but another) I've made on either of the above items that I'm aware of, in terms of support or opposition, are exactly the opposite of what you appear to be asserting above.
Don't assume that my serving as a proxy for someone else - by relaying their views on some matter - necessarily equals unqualified support on my part for those views.
The point of offering them up may have been simply to add to the dialog on/discussion of the issue.
Perhaps ... but it seemed to me that your premise was significantly different than mine ... and based on almost nothing that I'm aware of ... other than the fact that the guy in question had been in Russia ... and you assumed that his views were based on having "spent too much time" there ...
That got further embellished by someone else to "spending a lot of time in Russia" ("a lot" being a fairly subjective characterization of course) ... and I don't believe that I ever characterized exactly how much time he actually spent in Russia ... so I'm not particularly sure where that's coming from either.
In any event, getting back to the OP of this thread, which seemed to be an effort to tie Obamacare to medical errors as though they might somehow be related in terms of one causing the other ...
As was pointed out - in rather sardonic manner (correctly IMO) in the second post in this thread: medical errors have existed prior to Obamacare and they undoubtedly will not vanish as a result of it.
Just based on the OP alone, it's a little hard to tell where the person that started the thread really wanted this discussion to go ... one might think that based on the article provided in the OP - which had nothing to do with Obamacare near as I can tell - that it was to be about medical errors and related horror stories ... but the titling of the thread seems to suggest other possibilities.
Perhaps the person that started the thread will provide us with further insight.
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jamom123
Expert Expediter
I think he was referring to LDB's comments - which appear to have been directed at me.
FWIW, I'm not offended either ... since what is being expressed isn't reflective of my own opinion
There ya go ... a little intellectual sparring back and forth never killed anyone as far as I know.
Somewhat doubtful ... IMO of course.
Generally, I'm a fan of less rules and regulations ... and more discourse.
You know the good doctor then ?
Or otherwise know of him ... and his travels ?
Because my comment (that you referred to by quoting), was entirely in that context ...
LOL ... okey-dokey ...
Seems like a rather ironic statement ... given that it appears you think that I:
1. support Obamacare, and
2. support a single-payer system:
" I know where you stand on these issues and apparently we disagree."
If that is the case (that you know), I'd be real curious to know how you know that ... or how you drew that conclusion ... since I've not announced any support for either so far as I know or can recall ...
In fact, the only public statements (one of which was not on this forum but another) I've made on either of the above items that I'm aware of, in terms of support or opposition, are exactly the opposite of what you appear to be asserting above.
Don't assume that my serving as a proxy for someone else - by relaying their views on some matter - necessarily equals unqualified support on my part for those views.
The point of offering them up may have been simply to add to the dialog on/discussion of the issue.
Perhaps ... but it seemed to me that your premise was significantly different than mine ... and based on almost nothing that I'm aware of ... other than the fact that the guy in question had been in Russia ... and you assumed that his views were based on having "spent too much time" there ...
That got further embellished by someone else to "spending a lot of time in Russia" ("a lot" being a fairly subjective characterization of course) ... and I don't believe that I ever characterized exactly how much time he actually spent in Russia ... so I'm not particularly sure where that's coming from either.
In any event, getting back to the OP of this thread, which seemed to be an effort to tie Obamacare to medical errors as though they might somehow be related in terms of one causing the other ...
As was pointed out - in rather sardonic manner (correctly IMO) in the second post in this thread: medical errors have existed prior to Obamacare and they undoubtedly will not vanish as a result of it.
Just based on that post alone, it's a little hard to tell where the OP really wanted this discussion to go ... one might think that based on the article provided in the OP - which had nothing to do with Obamacare near as I can tell - that it was to be about medical errors and related horror stories ... but the titling of the thread seems to suggest other possibilities.
Perhaps the person that started the thread will provide us with further insight.
If you don't support single-payer then will you give a little insight as to what you support?
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I'm sure you aren't. However, there are potential posters who are, two of whom (husband and wife team) referenced this very thread in a conversation on Saturday night. They were sitting in Denny's and I noticed EO on their laptop as I walked by. I asked if they were EO members and they said they read EO fairly often, but they don't post here. One said, "Why would I set myself up to be grilled because I failed to post a doctoral thesis defending my opinion?" The other one noted something about the alleged opinions of an alleged doctor friend who may or may not even exist, as no proofs were offered up for his existence, which she found ironic coming from someone who was demanding proof of motivations.
We sat and talked for more than a half an hour about EO and other things, and I put the best face on EO that I could. Of course, the cat's out of the bag on my ruse now, as they will read this, too.
I'm sure you aren't. However, there are potential posters who are, two of whom (husband and wife team) referenced this very thread in a conversation on Saturday night. They were sitting in Denny's and I noticed EO on their laptop as I walked by. I asked if they were EO members and they said they read EO fairly often, but they don't post here. One said, "Why would I set myself up to be grilled because I failed to post a doctoral thesis defending my opinion?" The other one noted something about the alleged opinions of an alleged doctor friend who may or may not even exist, as no proofs were offered up for his existence, which she found ironic coming from someone who was demanding proof of motivations.
We sat and talked for more than a half an hour about EO and other things, and I put the best face on EO that I could. Of course, the cat's out of the bag on my ruse now, as they will read this, too.
Hopefully they will take the time to log on and offer proof of their existence. Ahh the internet...
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
A little pressed for time at the moment but allow me to offer this for the moment.If you don't support single-payer then will you give a little insight as to what you support?
I'm generally of the view that government involvement in most things is not usually beneficial.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
LOL ... good one.
They're parked three spaces away from me, and nope, they won't. But whether they do or not is irrelevant, as I'm not using them to defend my position, and their comments echo the same comments that have been made here in the past by newbies and veterans alike.
That's exactly my point. Who said or thinks or is what is irrelevant on here. And that's largely due to this site showing no movement to change the actions of members and mods alike.
Offer a solution then. In what way should the actions of members and mods alike be changed?
I'm not saying they should. But you haranguing rlent in this thread and then stating others are uncomfortable to post is hypocritical. Oh, imho of course.
jamom123
Expert Expediter
I'm sure you aren't. However, there are potential posters who are, two of whom (husband and wife team) referenced this very thread in a conversation on Saturday night. They were sitting in Denny's and I noticed EO on their laptop as I walked by. I asked if they were EO members and they said they read EO fairly often, but they don't post here. One said, "Why would I set myself up to be grilled because I failed to post a doctoral thesis defending my opinion?" The other one noted something about the alleged opinions of an alleged doctor friend who may or may not even exist, as no proofs were offered up for his existence, which she found ironic coming from someone who was demanding proof of motivations.
We sat and talked for more than a half an hour about EO and other things, and I put the best face on EO that I could. Of course, the cat's out of the bag on my ruse now, as they will read this, too.
Understood.
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I "harranged" RLENT and stated my reasoning long before I mentioned anything about the team I had the conversation with. I stated my reasons quite plainly in posts #48 and #50, and I stand by them. Like I said, I didn't use that conversation to make my case, which would have been hypocritical. RLENT was too confrontational in trying to corner jamom, trying to pin him (or her, I dunno) down to answer a specific question, even after jamom clearly didn't want to engage in that particular conversation. He kept on, like a dog with a bone, wanting to know the motivations for what was posted, instead of simply dealing with what was posted. Every bit of it belonged in another thread or in a PM.
As an afterthought I mentioned the conversation I recently had, because it echoed the sentiments that have been posted in these forums by others in the past, that being we often don't create an inviting environment for new members. You know how to create an inviting environment? Stay on topic and reply to the post instead of the poster.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
What about when they agree?
Has that ever happened ?
zorry
Veteran Expediter
What about when they agree?
Or, when they are both wrong !
What about when they agree?
Getting back to the OP. I am quite happy that I have NEITHER, an appendix or a set of ovaries. I had an appendix, once, a long time ago. I was in Japan when I lost it. The surgeon on the base got ALL excited when he said there was no time to ship me down to a base near Tokyo to have it removed. He said he had not had a chance to do ANY kind of surgery of 6 months and he needed the practice.
THAT was bad enough,
THEN
because of my security clearances, it was required that there be another cleared person in the room when one of use was put under for surgery, and in the recovery room, just in case we said things that maybe we should not be saying.
SO
They gave that duty to my friend, Smitty, who, in the "world", was a mortician. The LAST thing I remember, as the nurse was injecting the "solution" into my IV was, the mortician, Smitty, sitting there saying, "I will be waiting for you, Joe", all while remembering that my surgeon was very much out of practice.
I seem to remember surviving the ordeal.