Ovary.. appendix.. whatever

aristotle

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The USSR broke apart in 1991. Modern Russia is not a communist nation, per se. Russia now has a mixed economy much like the United States where the private economy is flourishing with respect to some industries. Poltically, Russia appears to be an autocracy where the the legislature rubber stamps Putin's initiatives.

Private industry might have a better shot in Russia than the US. The US government has been busy nationalizing the student loan industry, making inroads in the mortgage business and seizing the healthcare insurance previously available by private contract.
 

RLENT

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Maybe the fact that Russia is a communist country. If one spends enough time there maybe that way of life becomes NORMAL to them.
Yeah ... I kinda figured that's where you might be going with it.

Lemme clear a few things up:

My doctor friend, spends some time every year traveling the world, working in various places, generally for around 3 to 12 weeks at a whack. Two of them that I'm aware of are Russia and Indonesia (there were others)

He went to Indonesia - Aceh Province, where the tsunami hit the worst - every year for 5 or 6 years. He was there immediately after the tsunami hit for an extended period of time (months) He's also made some trips to Russia and Eastern Europe. His work in Russia focused on upgrading the practices and procedures (to best practices) in Russian hospitals to avoid and reduce hospital-acquired infections.

Like I said: he prefers a single-payer system. From what I can gather, this comes about from a lifetime of being a healthcare professional, and traveling and working throughout the world, and actually observing (and working in) various healthcare systems in operation.

How we went from that ... to he's been brainwashed into communism by virtue of being in a nation that was formerly communist, or in close proximity to people that formerly were, for relatively short periods of time, I'm not quite sure.

Aristotle comes pretty close (apart from the overblown hyperbole) to getting to the issue that might - at least to some extent - somewhat inform the good Doctor's opinion. In 1993 - after the Soviet Union broke apart and ended, a new Constitution was adopted and there was an attempt made to privatize the healthcare system.

Those reforms towards privatization resulted in huge problems, with the healthcare system actually becoming much worse than it was as a totally public system.

Healthcare in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I doubt very seriously, that this is the only thing that informs the good Doctor's opinion ... he's someone that is intensely critical of the medical profession and the healthcare industry ... something that in my experience is rather rare.

If anything, his experiences in Russia, probably only serve to confirm previously existing opinion and thoughts - which are based on a lifetime of working as a healthcare professional - as to how healthcare ought to be provisioned.
 

Turtle

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If anything, his experiences in Russia, probably only serve to confirm previously existing opinion and thoughts - which are based on a lifetime of working as a healthcare professional - as to how healthcare ought to be provisioned.
So, it was a case of spending a lot of time in Russia. Interesting. :D
 

Turtle

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So, you grilled an EO member over his opinion based on a hypothetical possibility? Okayee
 

RLENT

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So, you grilled an EO member over his opinion based on a hypothetical possibility? Okayee
Yup ... a hypothetical possibility based on almost next to nothing to inform it ... versus ... a hypothetical possibility based on numerous statements and dialog, both public and private, over many months ...

See the/any difference ?
 

Turtle

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Yup ... a hypothetical possibility based on almost next to nothing to inform it ... versus ... a hypothetical possibility based on numerous statements and dialog, both public and private, over many months ...

See the/any difference ?

Yeah, it's an open forum where opinions based on "next to nothing" is the order of things. I just think you came on a little strong when all you had to do was state your opinion on the issue instead of creating a confrontation that put him on the defensive.
 

Turtle

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I don't think such a derogatory characterization is necessary, either. I just think going after an off handed forum comment with both barrels is a little much. It's the kind of response that doesn't exactly encourage posters to participate. Makes them gun shy, as it were.
 

RLENT

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I don't think such a derogatory characterization is necessary, either. I just think going after an off handed forum comment with both barrels is a little much. It's the kind of response that doesn't exactly encourage posters to participate. Makes them gun shy, as it were.
Or less inclined to make off handed comments - which are, in fact, derogatory characterizations - based on little to no real information.
 

Turtle

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Yes, exactly, LESS inclined to post. People are entitled to post their opinion based on whatever amount of information they like. Like I said, you can address the issues without creating a witness-stand cross examination of his statements.
 

RLENT

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Yes, exactly, LESS inclined to post. People are entitled to post their opinion based on whatever amount of information they like. Like I said, you can address the issues without creating a witness-stand cross examination of his statements.
I just wanted to know what he was basing his opinion on ... had that been proffered when I posed the question requesting it, the path to get were we ended up probably would have been a lot shorter.
 

Turtle

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If you had responded about the issues instead of the motivations of the poster the path would have been even shorter.
 

Ragman

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Ahem, seems to me, this could be taken to a pm. Motivation is a bit off topic. IMO of course.
 

Ragman

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Yep, another successful thread hijacking.
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Greg

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Given the thread title....here's my 2 cents.
I have no ovary..I have appendix..whatever:)
 

jamom123

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I don't think such a derogatory characterization is necessary, either. I just think going after an off handed forum comment with both barrels is a little much. It's the kind of response that doesn't exactly encourage posters to participate. Makes them gun shy, as it were.

Don't worry Turtle i'm not offended by what RLENT said. I kind of figured what he would say anyway. I just love CONFLICT. :) Anyway it just makes my beliefs even stronger i'm not afraid to admit it i'm right wing tea party conservative and d*** proud of it.

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jamom123

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Had it been something RLENT didn't want to argue he would have been throwing the forum handbook at me.

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