Osama bin Laden's web postings

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Got the up and coming 9/11 stuff Tuesday, I find it funny that every news organization that has a video report about the new announcements of Osama bin Laden's up and coming web video post seem to be reading it from Osama bin Laden's Yahoo home page.

Did you know his latest video was directed by Micheal Moore? He was talking about it in the Toronto Film Festival and they were impressed.
 

copdsux

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Greg: I couldn't find any information linking Michael Moore & Bin
Laden, at the TIFF. Please advise me, as to your sources. Thanks.
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Osama could be hiding in the basement of the White house. Bush and Chenney could care less.

If they cared they wouldn`t have called off the troops to go after their agenda in Iraq.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Freight,
It was a sarcastic post.

This is what I got from CNN;

The Al-Qaeda’s advertising group has taken out banner ads not only on one site but have appeared on Yahoo before Yahoo pulled the ad.

Kinda weird that Yahoo would accept it in the first place. But now that story has changes to exclude Yahoo from it.

The Michael Moore thing was based on another story by AP that he is being praised by the film community for his cutting edge and honest documentaries and that the Toronto film festival is hosting a special guest, the pathetic Jimmy Carter, to discuss important political issues.
 

copdsux

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I guess I was to sleepy to notice that your tongue was planted, firmly, in your cheek! Chaufferuering drunks around 'til midnight
clouds my vision.:+ :)
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Oh how quickly we forget!

What convenience store mentality.

Folks can't wait a minute for gratification...let alone offer support for those who doing what they have called to do.

"We want the world and we want it now!" (Jim Morrison)

Go gotta now, things to do, can't wait, no cash just charge it....

That said, let me refresh your memories as to the onset of the war in Iraq since it appears that many have fogotten "so quickly and conveniently" as to the how and why we engaged in conflict.

Remember a joint resolution known as H.J. Res. 114? Here is the opening statement on the day it was signed. October 2002.

Today I have signed into law H.J. Res. 114, a resolution "To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq." By passing H.J. Res. 114, the Congress has demonstrated that the United States speaks with one voice on the threat to international peace and security posed by Iraq.

Oh, how we forget. 911??? I talk with grade school kids and they don't even know anything about the day this country was attacked. "Uh, Dad was too busy playing video games with me, so I don't get alot of the news on TV." "Uh, baseball practice is more important than learning about world history." "Uh, there is a new band I want to hear at the club, so I don't have time to learn." "Uh, dude, I just want to play with my new iPod, so don't try to mess with my mind about terrorism." "Uh, man, we figured it all out over a couple of cold ones." Duh!

"He that is not with me...is against me."
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
>Oh how quickly we forget!
>
>What convenience store mentality.
>
>Folks can't wait a minute for gratification...let alone
>offer support for those who doing what they have called to
>do.
>
>"We want the world and we want it now!" (Jim Morrison)
>
>Go gotta now, things to do, can't wait, no cash just charge
>it....
>
>That said, let me refresh your memories as to the onset of
>the war in Iraq since it appears that many have fogotten "so
>quickly and conveniently" as to the how and why we engaged
>in conflict.
>
>Remember a joint resolution known as H.J. Res. 114? Here is
>the opening statement on the day it was signed. October
>2002.
>
>Today I have signed into law H.J. Res. 114, a resolution "To
>authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against
>Iraq." By passing H.J. Res. 114, the Congress has
>demonstrated that the United States speaks with one
>voice
on the threat to international peace and security
>posed by Iraq.
>
>Oh, how we forget. 911??? I talk with grade school kids and
>they don't even know anything about the day this country was
>attacked. "Uh, Dad was too busy playing video games with me,
>so I don't get alot of the news on TV." "Uh, baseball
>practice is more important than learning about world
>history." "Uh, there is a new band I want to hear at the
>club, so I don't have time to learn." "Uh, dude, I just want
>to play with my new iPod, so don't try to mess with my mind
>about terrorism." "Uh, man, we figured it all out over a
>couple of cold ones." Duh!
>
>"He that is not with me...is against me."
I will probably die with this post but I agree (to a very cautious eye
that God is angry) and so I submit to you fellow posters is Islam that far off track?? Al Qaida is not a purpose or a radical way of life...
It is a interpretation of old scripture and a way of life for many americans and peoples we will never know..
I submit to you embrace the enemy and more important try to understand the thought process and if you still disagree be firm in your convictions...
I am not a sympathizer not even close but I believe if someone hates you this much you should know why and if you believe in your stance should fight to the death without reservation.
My GOD is a great GOD and as he is I feel a personal debt when I let him down.
I feel 100x the pain when my sons do not do as I expect and by comparison I am not worthy to judge cause he never judges me.
God is angry and I do not blame him and whosoever delivers the message in kind or pain may we still get the message.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Actually, we all make judgments everyday. You decided this morning to have coffee for breakfast instead of bleach. Why? You weighed the effects of both and judged which one you should drink. You turn your headlights on at night instead of driving with them turned off. Why? You discerned the danger of driving with limited vision and judged that it would be safer with them on instead of off.

Biblically speaking we have the right to judge, IF we are willing to be judged ourselves.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew 7:1-2

The Lord even chastises them for not being able to judge correctly.

Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right? Luke 12:57

The Lord does judge us.

And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Luke 19:22

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. John 8:26

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:2



Is Al Qaida that bad? The answer is yes; beyond your deepest comprehension.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Al Qaida is not a purpose or a radical way of life

Ah, right? Yes it is a complete and truthfully a radical way of life for those who want to kill.

You know I offend a lot of people when I speak of 9/11. I p*ss in a lot of soup when I point out that there are too many people forgot what 9/11 is all about and even more forget that we are all victims of the event.

It really bothers me that this has turned out to be a money issue, from the monument at the WTC (which we should have just built another group of buildings to show the world and the terrorist we will not give up) to the lack of funding at the site in PA to the crying from the groups who claim to speak for all the families while at the same time blaming everyone for the even except for the actual people who planned it and executed it and demanding more money.

Pointing fingers at people seems to be more important than to actually strengthen our resolve and moving forward. First it is Bush’s fault, then Clinton’s, then Giuliani’s then the people who were working at the CIA, then the FBI’s fault and then it was New York City’s fault for the building being in the path of the jetliner (the last was actually stated by one of the family groups a few years ago). It is the government’s fault that the building collapsed, it was the EPA’s fault for the air quality, it was the FAA’s fault for not having regulations on how to learn how to fly a jetliner but no where have I heard that the terrorist were at fault.

It is sad that we as a country forgot 9/11, we forgot how to act like a country and how to stay focused on the things that matter. We forgotten that we have enemies everywhere, everyone is in some danger with no exceptions. We still have no clue who these people are and for what ever reason we let compassion drive our decisions instead of our need to be safe in the world, like allowing open borders, not profiling or rounding up people who are a threat to us.

We have forgotten 9/11.

As much as God may or may not have a hand in things, at least he made sure ALGORE was not in office when this happened.
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
>As much as God may or may not have a hand in things, at
>least he made sure ALGORE was not in office when this
>happened.

Lmao..
You know its funny I really expected my comment to blow up the post but it sat dormant for a whole day..
Did you know that Islam is the second fastest growing religion in the world second only to Christianity?
I don't know enough about Islam to speak intelligently but have not forgotten 911 and still question the mindset of a terrorist.
Just because someone chooses the Islamic faith does not necessarily mean they are predisposed to violence after all there are a lot of defunct Christians, Priests and Clergy.

I will say again I am not a sympathizer nor am I of Islamic faith but I have gone cross eyed with Wikipedia over the weekend because I want to "better understand" not forget.
In rereading my post I cited Al Qaeda as a religion obviously I should have proofed my post as I meant Islam and apologize for the misunderstanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Mrgoodtude
“You know its funny I really expected my comment to blow up the post but it sat dormant for a whole day.â€

Well I was busy being a pseudo father today after sleeping in after spending a day in Canada – glad the parents came back for their kids, I was about lock them in the bathroom, and they were brats today. So I have little time to do much about posting anything.

“Did you know that Islam is the second fastest growing religion in the world second only to Christianity?â€

Yes, this is true but the problem within some parts of the Islamic community (coming from a few of them) is that the converts are trying to find themselves and fall into the radical part of the religion.

“I don't know enough about Islam to speak intelligently but have not forgotten 911 and still question the mindset of a terrorist.â€

Well there is a lot to learn about it, I still struggle with some things but I also have the resources to ask questions without worrying about insulting people who follow the religion. The mindset of the terrorist are really simple to understand, they only follow things other people tell them and they want to kill any and everything that does not agree with or what they are told does not agree with that point of view.

“Just because someone chooses the Islamic faith does not necessarily mean they are predisposed to violence after all there are a lot of defunct Christians, Priests and Clergy.â€

This is so true but, a big BUT there are clear problems with the issues over the freedoms of one religion over another. I can tell you that if you watch the appeasement crowd in both the media and legal areas, the fear of the main stream Islam is not founded but the fear of losing our rights because of the splinter groups is a real issue which I see may or could turn violent at one point.

“I will say again I am not a sympathizer nor am I of Islamic faith but I have gone cross eyed with Wikipedia over the weekend because I want to "better understand" not forget.â€

Actually there is a bunch of good books that are good starters over the wiki articles, one is from England which you can find at most B&N stores and of course I don’t have my copy out to post the name of it but it gives a good overview.

“In rereading my post I cited Al Qaeda as a religion obviously I should have proofed my post as I meant Islam and apologize for the misunderstanding.â€

Al Qaeda is considered by some analyst as a real religion so I still think that the comment was valid and my reply is too.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
The Genuine “Islam†For All True “Moslemsâ€

The following are the official Moslem teachings from the Holy Koran, as given by an “Imam†and published by the official publishing house for all genuine Islamic publications: Lahore Inc. with publishing houses in India, England, and the United States (Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at Islam Lahore Inc., 1315 Kingsgate Road, Columbus, OH).

This is the “hate†literature that all Moslems are under obligation to read, believe, teach and practice. Our official Islamic teacher is the Arabian scholar Maulana Muhammad Ali, author of fifteen Islamic textbooks which include prayer books, “Muhammad and Christ.†I print him verbatim, from his teaching notes on the Holy Koran in Arabic, as translated into English in the Holy Qur’an, 1995 (Arabic text, English translation and commentary); editions in 1917, 1920, 1936, 1951, 1963, 1973, etc. Anyone can obtain a copy of these official Islamic teachings by writing the publishing house in Columbus, OH.

Anyone thinking for a moment that I have slandered Allah or Mohammed, or I have ridiculed Allah or Mohammed, should read these notes and see if I have. Since every Moslem’s only defense for his religious beliefs are rioting, whining, assassinations, threatening, torture, kidnapping, slavery, and killing, I thought you would like to see why they take these liberties with all non-Moslems on all continents. I quote the Imam M.M. Ali directly from his own notes on the Holy Koran, exactly as Lahore Inc. published them in seventeen editions from 1917 to 1995.

1. “The Holy Qur’an claims to be the greatest spiritual force…destined to bring the whole of humanity to PERFECTION†(p.vi).
2. “It is the ONLY spiritual force which will ultimately conquer the whole world†(p. vi)
3. “The transformation wrought by the Koran is UNPARALLELED in history†(p. vii).
4. “The Holy Qur’an…came as a JUDGE to decide the differences between the various religions [Christianity, Judaism, etc.] (p. x).
5. “The Holy Qur’an is a PERFECT revelation of the Divine will†(p. xi).
6. “Say to those who disbelieve, ‘You shall be vanquished and driven together into ##### and evil is the resting place’†(p. 132). Sura 3:11, 5:86, 2:161.
7. “By those who disagree about the book [the Koran] are mean people who accept part of the Divine revelation and reject the other [the Koran], as the JEWS and the CHRISTIANS did†(p. 71).
8. “Whoever believes NOT in Allah and his MESSENGER, then surely we have prepared burning fire for the disbelievers†(p. 971). Mohammed’s own statement about himself.
9. “Every word [of the Koran] was delivered to the Prophet by an Angel†(p. 597) “and all prophets are PURE from birth and never disobey God†(p. 596).
NOTE: A 100 percent denial of Romans 3:22-23; Job 25:4-6; Ecclesiastics 7:20; Psalm 39:11; and the lives of Jonah, Balaam, 1 Kings 13 and the prophets of Jeremiah 23.
10. “Islam occupies the position of INTERNATIONAL religion†(p. 89).
11. “You [the Arabians] are the BEST nation raised up for all men†(p. 161). “Not only are the Muslims the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD…they are, at the same time, declared to be the BEST of the people who had ever been chosen†(p. 161).
12. “Whoever obeys the Messenger [Mohammed speaking of himself] he indeed obeys Allah†[“THE GODâ€]. Sura 3:80 - - - “Whoever disobeys Allah [“the Godâ€] and his Messenger [Mohammed speaking of himself] he will make him enter into FIRE TO ABIDE IN IT†(p. 192).
13. “Among all the sacred books of the world the Bible occupies a position SECOND to the HOLY QUR’AN†(p. 752).
Note: The Bible contains 500 major prophecies written more than 3,000 years before they ever took place and fulfills more than 48 prophecies written 400-1000 years before they took place. The Koran does not contain three historical prophecies in 114 chapters.
14. “No one is more “unjust†than a Christian or Jew (Sura 10:17) (p. 421).

These are just are few examples of why every Moslem in America, Asia, Europe, and Africa is taught to believe directly from the Koran. Are not the above examples an attack on someone’s religion! Does not such an attack constitute “hate†literature? I find it most interesting that the cartooning of Mohammed raised such a furor in the media. Those knee-jerk reactions stem from vile, religious hypocrites who have spasms every time someone tells the truth about Islam; all the while they go on lampooning, ridiculing, cursing, and killing other religious groups.

The Holy Hadith and the Holy Koran are monuments to paranoid, psychotic killers who need an alibi to live like the devil while praying publicly and bragging about their “standards of separation.â€

Religion of peace you say?

Why No Moslem Women Want To Go Back To Arabia:
1. Koran: Sura 4:34; Holy Hadith, No. 301 and Vol. 3, No. 826, Sura 30:21 say that men are better than women because women are mentally inferior.
2. Koran: Sura 4:3, 129, Holy Hadith Vol. 7, No. 142 and Vol. 1, No. 268 say that any male can have four wives simultaneously plus as many slave girls as he wants to fornicate with.
PS. Any wonder why jailbirds in our prisons are converting to the Moslem religion.
3. Koran: Sura 4:34, 4:128 and Misabih Book 1 dealing with the duties of husband and wife say that any male (Young boys and teens included. I have seen this happen in Walmart.) can beat up any of his four wives.
4. According to the Holy Sharia’s Koranic and Hadithic laws a husband can commit adultery as many times as Allah decides he can. Allah fixes the number to satisfy his lusts (Holy Hadith Vol. 4, pp. 1396-1398).
5. If any one of a Moslem’s four wives goes to bed with anyone other than him, the Sharia says she is to be stoned to death!


Last simple proof:

A Moslem can build a place of worship in America and convert folks without reprisal.

Try it in an Arab country. It is an offense punishable by death!
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
>Mrgoodtude
>“You know its funny I really expected my comment to blow
>up the post but it sat dormant for a whole day.â€
>
>Well I was busy being a pseudo father today after sleeping
>in after spending a day in Canada – glad the parents came
>back for their kids, I was about lock them in the bathroom,
>and they were brats today. So I have little time to do much
>about posting anything.

I can appreciate that and assure you grandkids will not be easier on you..

>“Did you know that Islam is the second fastest growing
>religion in the world second only to Christianity?â€
>
>Yes, this is true but the problem within some parts of the
>Islamic community (coming from a few of them) is that the
>converts are trying to find themselves and fall into the
>radical part of the religion.

True but it is the minority not the majority.

>“I don't know enough about Islam to speak intelligently
>but have not forgotten 911 and still question the mindset of
>a terrorist.â€
-
>Well there is a lot to learn about it, I still struggle with
>some things but I also have the resources to ask questions
>without worrying about insulting people who follow the
>religion. The mindset of the terrorist are really simple to
>understand, they only follow things other people tell them
>and they want to kill any and everything that does not agree
>with or what they are told does not agree with that point of
>view.

There in lies the difference of opinion and the whole crux of my argument.
Faith is what it is and not open for debate, their faith is based on worldly teachings and not of the spirit meaning the ego or pride of man poisons the very belief system they embrace even to death....

>“Just because someone chooses the Islamic faith does not
>necessarily mean they are predisposed to violence after all
>there are a lot of defunct Christians, Priests and
>Clergy.â€
>
>This is so true but, a big BUT there are clear problems with
>the issues over the freedoms of one religion over another. I
>can tell you that if you watch the appeasement crowd in both
>the media and legal areas, the fear of the main stream Islam
>is not founded but the fear of losing our rights because of
>the splinter groups is a real issue which I see may or could
>turn violent at one point.

You know as well as I it has and will continue to do so..
God hates sin and these olive skinned folk do as well and being they are on a mission from god to destroy the infidels they will be in our face.

>“I will say again I am not a sympathizer nor am I of
>Islamic faith but I have gone cross eyed with Wikipedia over
>the weekend because I want to "better understand" not
>forget.â€

>Actually there is a bunch of good books that are good
>starters over the wiki articles, one is from England which
>you can find at most B&N stores and of course I don’t have
>my copy out to post the name of it but it gives a good
>overview.

Yes there are and I have a book about the bio of Ari Fleischer whom I love that I have not even been able to preface.
But I am trying.

>“In rereading my post I cited Al Qaeda as a religion
>obviously I should have proofed my post as I meant Islam and
>apologize for the misunderstanding.â€

Again hops got in the way I would never deny and or abandon my position, if wrong I have no problem owning my own stupidity but am a firm believer if you stand for nothing you will far for anything.
I am not a learned man but I spend a lot of time trying to understand the mindset of my fellow man.

>Al Qaeda is considered by some analyst as a real religion so
>I still think that the comment was valid and my reply is
>too.

Al Qaeda "the Base" according to Wiki and originating around 1989 by Osama during the Soviet withdrawal of Afghanistan was more of a declaration not a religion and that is where I feel compelled to correct myself.

Greg
I do and have held you in the highest regard, I may be off the the mark but this is how an uneducated man such as myself sees this scenario....

I don't believe God is happy.

I want to understand why I look at olive skinned human being and err on the side of caution.

I wonder about the acceleration of humanity and wonder if anyone else sees the obvious..

In 100 years we have gone from horse drawn carriages to Lamborghini's
From trips to your neighbor to text messaging and HD on demand, where radicals can post their spew on a worldwide forum where the equivalent of a nation can read, disseminate and embrace or reject said opinion in less time than we can proofread the ingredients on the back of our RiceaRoni box...
Long winded for sure but I am in a hurried rush to spend time with the badger Aydan
My grandbuddy
In closing I don't believe we are on different pages and I do not believe people can make enough of a difference at this point to save the world.
Call it damage control, obedience or faith on a infantile scale but I cannot be so arrogant as to close my mind.
I believe in 1 supreme being, a creator whether he is called God, Allah or Buddah I don't think he will hold it against us (the name thingy) as long as we really believe.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
"I can appreciate that and assure you grandkids will not be easier on you."

I never said anything about grandkids :D a friend needed someone to watch her kids for the day, so she called me because I am home - husband left Iraq a few weeks ago and now is somewhere in the south pacific. I think it is worst than grandkids but ok because it keeps me in practice.

I got to tell you that a girl I grew up with is a great grandmother for two years now - she and her daughter and grand daughter all have had kids when they were 14.
 

bubbles

Seasoned Expediter
GREG I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE MONUMENTS NOW DONT ANYONE GET ME WRONG BUT I ALSO DONT THINK WE SHOULD LOWER OUR FLAGS AT HALF MAST EVERY TINE A HERO GETS KILLED OVER THERE IT APPEARS THAT WERE IN MOURNING AND WERE WEAK THAT BIT OF ADVICE WAS GIVEN TO ME FROM MY YOUNGEST SON WHO WAS HOME ON LEAVE FROM IRAQ. HE TOLD ME THAT SHOULD HE NOT RETURN HE WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED TO BE MOURNED BUT JUST REMEMBERED AS SOMEONE THAT SERVED HIS COUNTRY PROUD. INCIDENTLY BOTH OF MY SONS SERVED OVER THERE ONE WITH THE 1ST INFANTRY DIV AND THE OTHER WITH THE 1ST MARINE DIVISION BOTH CAME HOME SAFE
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
>GREG I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE MONUMENTS NOW DONT ANYONE
>GET ME WRONG BUT I ALSO DONT THINK WE SHOULD LOWER OUR FLAGS
>AT HALF MAST EVERY TINE A HERO GETS KILLED OVER THERE IT
>APPEARS THAT WERE IN MOURNING AND WERE WEAK THAT BIT OF
>ADVICE WAS GIVEN TO ME FROM MY YOUNGEST SON WHO WAS HOME ON
>LEAVE FROM IRAQ. HE TOLD ME THAT SHOULD HE NOT RETURN HE
>WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED TO BE MOURNED BUT JUST REMEMBERED AS
>SOMEONE THAT SERVED HIS COUNTRY PROUD. INCIDENTLY BOTH OF MY
>SONS SERVED OVER THERE ONE WITH THE 1ST INFANTRY DIV AND THE
>OTHER WITH THE 1ST MARINE DIVISION BOTH CAME HOME SAFE

God bless you bubbles and more so your sons and their service, an
important thank you for the humility to recognize you are making potentially the greatest sacrifice with no recognition but your own flesh standing in the fire so we may breath easier.
May they both be home to hug and embrace the root of their existence,
As they are, we all stand proud in the shadows of their accomplishments in the name of Duty, Honor and Country...
Mike
 
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