Olbermann Suspended by MSNBC

Turtle

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Once you read the article, you'll have to wonder why Olbermann was singled out for this, since so many others, including entire networks, do the same thing.

In any case, maybe the other networks will see this as a sign they need to clan up their act, and the acts of their on-air personalities. One can always hope.

By DAVID BAUDER
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updated 2010-11-05T19:49:02

NEW YORK — MSNBC has suspended prime-time host Keith Olbermann indefinitely without pay for contributing to the campaigns of three Democratic candidates this election season.

Olbermann acknowledged to NBC that he donated $2,400 apiece to the campaigns of Kentucky Senate candidate Jack Conway and Arizona Reps. Raul Grivalva and Gabrielle Giffords.
NBC News prohibits its employees from working on, or donating to, political campaigns unless a special exception is granted by the news division president — effectively a ban.

Olbermann's bosses did not find out about the donations until after they were made. The website Politico first reported the donations.

"I became aware of Keith's political contributions late last night," Phil Griffin, MSNBC's chief executive, said Friday. "Mindful of NBC News policy and standards, I have suspended him indefinitely without pay."

Olbermann was not immediately available for comment.
His "Countdown" show, which airs at 8 p.m. ET, is MSNBC's most popular program. His on-the-air transformation from the host of a straight news program to a liberal commentator led the network itself to go in the same direction, filling its prime-time lineup with left-leaning hosts and doing better in the ratings than anytime since its 1996 launch.

The rise in opinionated cable news programming has called into question whether the traditional rules of news organizations to preserve the appearance of impartiality should apply to people who have their jobs in part because of a clear point of view.

Sean Hannity, a conservative radio talk show host with a popular hour on Fox News Channel each weeknight, donated $2,400 to the congressional campaign of New York Republican John Gomez in May. In August, he donated $5,000 to the Minnesota-based Michelpac, or Many Individual Conservatives Helping Elect Leaders Everywhere, according to the Federal Election Commission. Fox's parent company, News Corp., gave $1 million this summer to the Republican Governor's Association, which helps elect GOP gubernatorial candidates nationally.

When Fox host Neil Cavuto donated $1,000 to President George W. Bush in 2002, Fox executive John Moody told The Washington Post, "I wish he hadn't."

MSNBC's own Joe Scarborough, who hosts the "Morning Joe" program, is listed in campaign records as donating $4,200 in 2006 to Derrick Kitts, a failed Republican congressional candidate.

Grijalva was asked to be a guest on Olbermann's show because the congressman's office in Tucson had received a suspicious envelope in the mail, spokesman Adam Sarvana said. Grijalva did not ask for a donation and Olbermann did not say he was giving one.

"I assume that Olbermann decides on his own who to give his money to," said Sarvana, adding that the campaign was surprised when the check arrived.

Olbermann was a co-anchor of MSNBC's election coverage this week. The network's performance drew some criticism, particularly with Chris Matthews' contentious interviews with Republican Reps. Michele Bachmann and Marsha Blackburn.
Olbermann was seen laughing following Matthews' conversation with Bachmann. Matthews had criticized the congresswoman for failing to answer his questions.
"Are you hypnotized tonight?" Matthews said. "Has someone hypnotized you? Because no matter what I ask you, you give the same answer."

Comedy Central's Jon Stewart, interviewing Fox's Chris Wallace the day after election day, said MSNBC was like "double-A ball" in comparison to Fox.

"You can't defeat Fox by becoming what they say you are," Stewart said. "The only way you can defeat them is by an earned credibility, not an earned partisanship. They're making a mistake by becoming an equivalent to Fox rather than a brand new journalistic organization."

There has been discomfort in the past at NBC News over the roles of Matthews and Olbermann on newsy nights. For part of the 2008 campaign, the two men anchored MSNBC's prime-time political coverage, but when the general election campaign started, they were replaced by David Gregory and given the role of commentators.

Chris Hayes will fill in for Olbermann on Friday's program, the network said.
 

dieseldiva

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No Obie fan I but his donations could only be compared to Joe Scarborough's because they work for the same organization. The comparison to Sean Hannity only holds water if Fox also has those rules in place and the organization decides to push the issue. That may be key as well, why would they push this thing with Obie and not with Joe?? Does it have anything to do with Comcast buying NBC...there's been a lot of talk lately that NBC is trying to distance itself from it's "cousin", MSNBC.
 

chefdennis

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Diesel Diva wrote:

Does it have anything to do with Comcast buying NBC...

I wonderd that also...GE used NBC as the political tool for its benefit...Comcast wants a real news network....msnbc is like the red headed step child...obie the nasty step brother that kills small animals and thinks of killing people, and easily run off by Comcast
 

muttly

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It's probably because of Comcast. They probably view MSNBC as a complete embarrassment for them.
 

Turtle

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No Obie fan I but his donations could only be compared to Joe Scarborough's because they work for the same organization. The comparison to Sean Hannity only holds water if Fox also has those rules in place and the organization decides to push the issue. That may be key as well, why would they push this thing with Obie and not with Joe?? Does it have anything to do with Comcast buying NBC...there's been a lot of talk lately that NBC is trying to distance itself from it's "cousin", MSNBC.
I personally compare Olebermann's contributions to that of Hannity, Cavuto and News Corp in general. It's scummy. Even though the above mentioned are clearly partisan, they shouldn't be contributing to any political campaign or PAC. The CBNC people aren't allowed to own individual stocks. The most they can do is mutual funds, and even then they are restricted to certain ones, usually the largest funds or index funds.

Fox is apparently OK with its people (and it's parent company) giving contributions, but by doing so they cannot be trusted to be impartial (not that anyone ever thought they were in the first place). I knew Hannity made contributions, and I quit listening to him almost immediately after finding that out. I hadn't known about Cavuto, and I wish he didn't, too.

I do think if MSBNC lets Scarborough stay, then they are hypocritical at best. But, maybe he got prior permission, which is apparently all that's needed.

But I do agree somewhat with the article where it says, "The rise in opinionated cable news programming has called into question whether the traditional rules of news organizations to preserve the appearance of impartiality should apply to people who have their jobs in part because of a clear point of view."

If you want to go there, fine, then go there, but the contributions need to be out there on the table for everyone to see. It's not like because of these contributions that suddenly Olbermann, Cavuto and the others will be seen as opinionated and partisan. They clearly are, always have been, and got their jobs because of it. I would be shocked if Chris Matthews hasn't given something to the Obama campaign, for example. But if you're going to allow reporters and news anchors to make campaign contributions, they need to be made publicly, and restated often as a disclaimer, so as to differentiate what they do with real, actual journalism.
 

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With regards to Fox, I wonder if they allow it with commentators but not with the actual news people?
Ok for Hannity or Beck, but not ok with say Megan Kelly.
Don't know?
No secret on who Hannity would send cash to.
 

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I personally compare Olebermann's contributions to that of Hannity, Cavuto and News Corp in general. It's scummy. Even though the above mentioned are clearly partisan, they shouldn't be contributing to any political campaign or PAC. The CBNC people aren't allowed to own individual stocks. The most they can do is mutual funds, and even then they are restricted to certain ones, usually the largest funds or index funds.

Fox is apparently OK with its people (and it's parent company) giving contributions, but by doing so they cannot be trusted to be impartial (not that anyone ever thought they were in the first place). I knew Hannity made contributions, and I quit listening to him almost immediately after finding that out. I hadn't known about Cavuto, and I wish he didn't, too.

I do think if MSBNC lets Scarborough stay, then they are hypocritical at best. But, maybe he got prior permission, which is apparently all that's needed.

But I do agree somewhat with the article where it says, "The rise in opinionated cable news programming has called into question whether the traditional rules of news organizations to preserve the appearance of impartiality should apply to people who have their jobs in part because of a clear point of view."

If you want to go there, fine, then go there, but the contributions need to be out there on the table for everyone to see. It's not like because of these contributions that suddenly Olbermann, Cavuto and the others will be seen as opinionated and partisan. They clearly are, always have been, and got their jobs because of it. I would be shocked if Chris Matthews hasn't given something to the Obama campaign, for example. But if you're going to allow reporters and news anchors to make campaign contributions, they need to be made publicly, and restated often as a disclaimer, so as to differentiate what they do with real, actual journalism.

For a moment, let's compare these "news" programs or networks with that quaint source of information - the newspaper. With that in mind, let's not confuse the front page with the editorial page. The front page is for objectively reporting facts without bias, while the editorial page is for stating opinions of the editors or featured columnists. Olberman and Hannity especially host opinion shows and shouldn't be expected to be impartial or "fair and balanced" - the purpose of their shows is to promote their liberal and conservative agendas so it shouldn't be held against them if they support their candidates financially. However, if these donations are contrary to the terms of their contracts then they have only their own stupidity to blame for their dismissal - as is the case with Olberman. More than likely, MSNBC was looking for an excuse to give him the boot.
 

Turtle

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That was fast. I wonder if it was the prospect of lower ratings that prompted it, or the realization that MSNBC was acting in gross hypocritical fashion? Suspending Olbermann and not Scarborough was, IMHO, extremely hypocritical.
 

layoutshooter

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These people must be really famous to garner all this chatter, who the heck are they? Never heard of anyone them.
 

muttly

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These people must be really famous to garner all this chatter, who the heck are they? Never heard of anyone them.

His show is Countdown to no ratings. If he is on tv and no one watches him can we be sure that he really has a show?:D
 
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