Oh No ! Here We Go Again

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Obama today ordered the EPA and others to set new greenhouse gas and fuel economy standards for Med and HD Trucks by 3/31/2016.

I believe they'll be effective on 2019 vehicles.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
It will be a cluster screw just like the last round of foolishness. They need to get the technology ahead of the implementation. Of course they are too focused on saving a tree and votes.
The claim is it will save 73k per vehicle over its life.
What they don't tell you is you will have considerable downtime for repair because no one will be familiar with the technology. Just like the first regen systems. They don't even have the current systems down to perfection.
And of course just like regen and the newer DEF trucks, they will cost considerably more. Notice that wasn't mentioned. Any of these mandated programs will have a end user result that has to be paid for.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
They want to make it harder and harder for independents to run. They don't LIKE independent people, too difficult to control. The more they regulate the more they can drive out of business. They ultimate goal? A few government controlled trucking companies and all union drivers.

The environmental bull is just the lie they are using to bring it about.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
They want to make it harder and harder for independents to run. They don't LIKE independent people, too difficult to control. The more they regulate the more they can drive out of business. They ultimate goal? A few government controlled trucking companies and all union drivers.

The environmental bull is just the lie they are using to bring it about.

Hard to tell but they are a long way from operating a handful of outfits like the airlines.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
Well its like the $12 light bulb,,You have to have it and it will make the world a better place. :rolleyes:
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I worked in a Hardware Store in High School.
The electric company provided light bulbs for free. I guess to encourage you to use electricity.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
It will be a cluster screw just like the last round of foolishness. They need to get the technology ahead of the implementation. Of course they are too focused on saving a tree and votes.
The claim is it will save 73k per vehicle over its life.
What they don't tell you is you will have considerable downtime for repair because no one will be familiar with the technology. Just like the first regen systems. They don't even have the current systems down to perfection.
And of course just like regen and the newer DEF trucks, they will cost considerably more. Notice that wasn't mentioned. Any of these mandated programs will have a end user result that has to be paid for.

That is the thing Dave....the truck makers aren't going to rock the boat and change IF they are not pushed...

thinking this one will end up Soapbox material.....LOL
 
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zorry

Veteran Expediter
I'm not Dave. But I did stay at a Holiday in last night :)
The truck makers WILL change as they develop technology to gain a competitive advantage.

The EGR mess was caused by government mandates that were too short.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm not Dave. But I did stay at a Holiday in last night :)
The truck makers WILL change as they develop technology to gain a competitive advantage.

The EGR mess was caused by government mandates that were too short.

If their competitors change.....some technology is expensive research....a little push never hurts...
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
The market will go to the technology that works. As it sits right now, they don't have the technology for a 20 percent reduction unless they flip to natural gas. Have to fix more than just the truck.
The problem is they rush this stuff and that is where the problems come in. I'm all for energy independence, but not for all the climate change stuff.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The market will go to the technology that works. As it sits right now, they don't have the technology for a 20 percent reduction unless they flip to natural gas. Have to fix more than just the truck.
The problem is they rush this stuff and that is where the problems come in. I'm all for energy independence, but not for all the climate change stuff.

Agreed...remember the idiot in charge won't be around then....the deadline could be extended...
 

Deville

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It bothers me so much that our government holds it's own people accountable for climate change & we have to conform to these changes at great expense but when it comes to other countries they are allowed to do what ever they want, China, Pakistan, India & pretty much all modern middle eastern countries are among the worst offenders out there when it comes to air pollution.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
It bothers me so much that our government holds it's own people accountable for climate change & we have to conform to these changes at great expense but when it comes to other countries they are allowed to do what ever they want, China, Pakistan, India & pretty much all modern middle eastern countries are among the worst offenders out there when it comes to air pollution.

That is what happens when you have a president that thinks we aren't doing "our fair share".
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
They want to make it harder and harder for independents to run. They don't LIKE independent people, too difficult to control. The more they regulate the more they can drive out of business. They ultimate goal? A few government controlled trucking companies and all union drivers.

The environmental bull is just the lie they are using to bring it about.

That's so far out into tinfoil hat territory that it's embarrassing even to read it.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
That is what happens when you have a president that thinks we aren't doing "our fair share".

Is it all about climate change? Saving trees? I thought at least some of the rationale was that air pollution harms people. [Among other things.]
And I agree with not putting the cart before the horse [mandates before technology], only, if there were no incentives, would the technology ever be created? I'm not arguing that it wouldn't, I'm just asking, because I don't know. What I do know is that health doesn't seem to be enough of an incentive for many to make changes, among corporations as well as people.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Is it all about climate change? Saving trees? I thought at least some of the rationale was that air pollution harms people. [Among other things.]
And I agree with not putting the cart before the horse [mandates before technology], only, if there were no incentives, would the technology ever be created? I'm not arguing that it wouldn't, I'm just asking, because I don't know. What I do know is that health doesn't seem to be enough of an incentive for many to make changes, among corporations as well as people.

Maybe, but their public reasoning is climate change with pollution as a by-product. Can't say pollution or the Al Gore's will have to give up the SUV's, mansions, and private planes.
If the technology is there and it reduces operating expenses, namely fuel, the free market will take care of itself. It is a spot that money can be made. No need for government interference.
They are involved because they want to make money off of it. Nothing to do with anything else.
Just follow the money.
Case in point. Democrats are crying foul over the Keystone pipeline as it will cause water pollution. The reality. They have investments in the competitors. Nothing to do with saving a tree or water. All about the profit. Same dynamics in play with trying to do away with the coal industry.
Democrats who oppose Keystone XL pipeline own shares in competing companies | Fox News

From a personal standpoint on investing. I look at who is in power and where they put their money. Guess where I direct some of my investments as future legislation determines those profits?
No need to complicate the simple.:cool:
 
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