October Locations and Banter

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'd go with a denial notice, done right there in that there moment..the small things should be implimented now while we are in our growing stage....it would be quite a resource waste to notify every approval...

in my denial...it showed I was a straight truck as the last load done was rated as such...so the first day was denied because I had to do my 10...!! LOL
 
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Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I have to agree that getting some of this money that we're supposed to get is like pulling teeth (detention, tonu, layover and em). I would prefer a more open and definite system. I dont care much for having to chase money that is rightfully mine. I could do that with multi carriers.

I seldom ask for layover or em pay. I guess I need to start going after every penny just to make up for the times I ask for it and dont get it or am supposed to get tonu or detention and don't....waaaaay too much of a Panther approach for my liking.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Now, with all that said. We have a certain pom-pom toter that would be happy to point out that even without any of those things, we probably all do better...quite a bit better actually, than we would at Panther....and I would agree with him. So, I'm not going to yell too loud :)
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
If a driver puts in for layover or relocation and the request is denied, they are supposed to be notified the next day when the report prints out the requests. This is our policy. If people are not following the policy this is the first I have heard of it, and it will be corrected. Chain of command can and should have taken care of this if it was an ongoing issue. Much like someone telling me the dryer had issues. Once notified it was fixed, pretty simple concept. Either way issue WILL be corrected tomorrow.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I would agree with him. But to dismiss or ignore a problem simply because it is a larger problem elsewhere is to accept and foster small problems that will invariably grow into bigger problems as the rest of the operation grows.

Communicating, or inputting into the computer, information like detention, tonu, em, layover or whatever is exactly as precisely important as inputting a customer name and address, a truck number, or recording pickup and delivery times.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
John and I have discussed some operational snafus at great lengths at times....the main issue seems to be lack of communication...some drivers will let it slide till it becomes part of a bigger problem or they just make a comment to dispatch....drivers MUST go thru the chain of command at once so these issues can be resolved before they fester....it is so easy to shoot off an email and get the appropriate solution. Contacts are listed at the top of this forum....I will update it to include Joes email as he now does layovers and empty pays...
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
If a driver puts in for layover or relocation and the request is denied, they are supposed to be notified the next day when the report prints out the requests. This is our policy. If people are not following the policy this is the first I have heard of it, and it will be corrected. Chain of command can and should have taken care of this if it was an ongoing issue. Much like someone telling me the dryer had issues. Once notified it was fixed, pretty simple concept. Either way issue WILL be corrected tomorrow.
I can tell you that having layover or relocation pay denied is a rarity, at least for me. I've never had a relocation denied, although I've only had perhaps half a dozen of them. I try to make sure layover pay requests are accurate with dates and times, and so far they have been. Last thing I want to do is waste someone's time by inputting wrong dates or times only to have them look at it and confirm that I'm an idiot. The few times I have had them denied, they were all denied in error (
"showing on a load" when I wasn't, that kind of thing, usually).

But not once have I ever been notified of a denial. So somebody hasn't been following policy for quite some time.

I still think it can be automated, though. The requests are made via the computer, I would assume the denials are made the same way, so they can be recorded and tracked. If so, the same computer could do the notifying.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
John and I have discussed some operational snafus at great lengths at times....the main issue seems to be lack of communication...some drivers will let it slide till it becomes part of a bigger problem or they just make a comment to dispatch....drivers MUST go thru the chain of command at once so these issues can be resolved before they fester....it is so easy to shoot off an email and get the appropriate solution.
Firing off an email to get an issue solved is one thing, as my issues were solved today with an e-mail (actually, three of them and a phone call), but going through the chain of command to resolve the small issues only results in treating the symptoms of the larger lack of communication cause.

My suggestion of getting notified for denials, or for implementing a mechanism for automatic notification, fell on deaf ears on the other end of the phone. The symptom (my particular issues today) were treated and solved, and that's all he was concerned with. In fact, he was so unconcerned with the larger issue that he let me know that I was the only one to ever complain about it, which is a not-so subtle way of saying, in effect, "The problem is fixed, you're getting paid for this now, so quit yer complaining! I'm busy!"

And that's OK. Hence it's also why I posted here. I was genuinely interested to know if denials for things like that were in a place we could go look at them, be it on the QC, an email, or Fleetvision. If scanned paperwork doesn't get received, there's a place we can see that, for example.

I'd have offered the suggestions regarding notifications and the automation thereof to the next link up in the chain of command, but that particular link was the one who read my initial layover request on the QC, as far as I can tell, but in any case it's the same link that recently blew me off over an issue concerning the link right below him and diverted me instead to Recruiting, who (rightly) put it right back on the original link where the issue originated originally. Instead of a few minutes to resolve, it took 4 days. It was almost identical to the infamous Junior Scenario, only at a considerably higher level, on several levels. :D
 

guido4475

Not a Member
Now, with all that said. We have a certain pom-pom toter that would be happy to point out that even without any of those things, we probably all do better...quite a bit better actually, than we would at Panther....and I would agree with him. So, I'm not going to yell too loud :)

Who may that be??? lol.....

I couldn't agree with you more.
 
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jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
It is not actually a totally automated process. The requests come in via the macros. Them every morning an report is emailed to the person who verifies, approved or denies them in an Exel format. They than research, verify and add the approved amount. If one is denied they are supposed to notify the unit. Then the report is forwarded to admin so that the accessorial pay can be added. In our transitioning of jobs and duties the proper handling of notifying the drivers was not conveyed. The issue should be fixed going forward.

Not sure I get the comparison to another carrier. I am sure we address and work on problems in a much different manner. Also the VP of operations is readily available on the chain of command. Mike Johnson is a call away or [email protected]. If people don't use the open communication we offer then they are like people who are at other carriers?
 
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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
It is not actually a totally automated process. The requests come in via the macros. Them every morning an report is emailed to the person who verifies, approved or denies them in an Exel format. They than research, verify and add the approved amount. If one is denied they are supposed to notify the unit. Then the report is forwarded to admin so that the accessorial pay can be added. In our transitioning of jobs and duties the proper handling of notifying the drivers was not conveyed. The issue should be fixed going forward.
I was thinking (The OVM Effect) that since the requests come in via a macro, the computer could compile those into a daily report instead of someone having to do it manually. The report could be a database or Excel-based, but the main thing would be the approvals and denials could be done on-screen with radio buttons for each, and a Reason-For-Denial field if it's not approved. Once that report gets closed out daily and is sent to Admin, the denials and the reason could be automatically sent back to the QC for each. It'll certainly change how the requests are handled by whoever approves or denies them, but it should make it more efficient for everyone across the board. The programming involved should be rather minimal to pull the data from the macro messages and set up the report form. Just a suggestion. :)

Not sure I get the comparison to another carrier. I am sure we address and work on problems in a much different manner.
The comparison with other carriers stems from the lack of notification, and you only find out it's been denied once payroll has been completed, and even then only if you are monitoring it and notice it didn't pay out. Once you've noticed that it didn't pay out, you then have to call or e-mail to find out why, and then if it's an error you have to go back and double-check all the dates and times with pro numbers and such to make the case for why it's an error.

You'd still have to do the research if you were notified the next day after making the request, of course, but doing it the next day it at least quicker and easier than having to go back through a week or ten days of paperwork and QC messages to get at it all. And it certainly beats having to monitor Fleetvision on Thursdays to see if your lottery number hit.

And as Rocketman noted, it happens where we have to ask for tonu or detention (or a stopoff when the customer has given us the wrong address), and then don't get paid for it because someone didn't follow up or input the correct information (like putting it in the notes for someone else to discover when it doesn't pay out, instead of actually billing the customer for it and making it part of the load pay). Frankly, dry run, detention and stopoffs shouldn't even need to be asked for, it should be automatic, with the same priority as anything else involved with the load such as pickup and delivery times and the BOL number. Dispatch ensures that we enter arrivals and departures and BOL numbers, and they should likewise ensure that items like dry run, detention and other assessorials are accounted for, as well. While getting such issues are relatively easy albeit sometimes time-consuming, we shouldn't have to ask for it, not get it, and then get it corrected at a later date.

Also the VP of operations is readily available on the chain of command. Mike Johnson is a call away or [email protected]. If people don't use the open communication we offer then they are like people who are at other carriers?
I don't think anyone is comparing other carriers for failing to use the open communications. But, bluntly, Mike Johnson may be a call away in the abstract, but in practice he's the one who blew me off and sent me to Brian over a Junior-like issue with Joe. An Operations issue. Brandon deserves a raise for his skills at running interference and lead-blocking for Joe who was avoiding me like the plague over a fast one he pulled (which has since been more or less corrected and resolved, for the most part). When I got nowhere in getting through to Joe or getting Joe to call me back, I asked for Mike, and after a few minutes on hold I was told Mike wouldn't talk to me said call to Brian with any complaints. Which I did. And Brian put it right back on Joe where it belonged in the first place. That type of runaround is very Pantheresque, actually.

If you want the gory details let me know, but like I said it's more or less been resolved.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
I have to wonder if you are talking about Mike Bayko or Mike Johnson? Might want to verify that before publicly naming people. Which I have CLEARLY said my opinion on before.

Much like before when I said I would never let a staff member name a driver on a public site if they felt they did wrong. It is not proper and it is not professional. Plain and simple.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I didn't name him until you did, and wouldn't have at all if I didn't read that he was readily available and just a phone call away. And it was Johnson. For sure. I asked for him specifically.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Well that is very unlike him. He is very approachable to the drivers. I am sure you will be hearing from him directly. I stand corrected as yes I did name him. But I know him and how he is and how he is with drivers. If you left him a voice mail or an email, I would be greatly surprised if it was not handled.
 
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wombat52

Veteran Expediter
after reading all these post,s wow come on guys we are grown men & women and yep at times it is hard to get certain folks in dispatch but they are busy finding us possible loads or other things like the other night when there was a major much up not by LOAD 1 the load was HOT HOT but i could not get onto dispatch to let these guys know but several drop calls or whatever you want to call it i finally got thru but at the same time apolizing to the shipper for the miscommucations not on LOADS1 part but to be on here about pay issues or etc .. i feel this is not the place to air it ....

like i should not but what the heck brandon,frankie,carny,mike jr & jeremey is top class as for mark & larry at night 10 out 10 to these guys as well .. but now i got a question to anyone from john all the way down to the drivers heck even the great old guy who cleans the yard not sure i know he name but i heard everyone calling him dad what a great guy he is always very pleasant everytime i say hi to him but last night i emptied out in my EMPORUIM PA no stranger to this load but i rang into dispatch before leaving GKN you see verizon does not work in this area for 18.7 miles anything pending ?? nope wombat ok but stay in the area ok now this morning no do not get much out of there so i guess two choices here sit here in walmart parking lot ST MARYS PA & hope something might pop up or drive to youngstown that i was going to do last night with hope that today might have got me one more or even more loads this weekend to recover my bad week i am having but that is the nature of expediting a feast or cannot spell it lol next week could be brilliant heck even the next few hours could be great who knows or choice #2 travel the 52 miles back to sleepy little warren pa where no loads comes out of & visit my EX WIFE wow that should be fun ...


before i go am i just showing my age here but anyone out here remember the movies years ago about the girl school the BELLS OF ST MARYS , TRINTIY OF ST MARYS , THE GIRLS OF ST MARYS surely i am not that old ???
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
I am always in a positive and delightful mood, unless i am not, lol.

All good. It is NO secret to anyone. I hate issues, and I try to fix them fast!!!!!!! I will not le this company be like other companies. Just ask Rocket, he will verify I fixed the dryer the other day really fast :D
 

wombat52

Veteran Expediter
And before anyone said it i try the QC but the little red light was just staying on so i deverted to the great invention called a phone .. but several times would ring as quick as snapping my fingers it would answer & hang up i guess was a problem with the line but got it resolved and shipper thank me she when home & i continue onto ohio , under my $$$ as i thought nitro wv nah but got two good loads after tthat now in ST MARYS PA watch this buck in the field wow a nice 8 pointer and a couple of does where my 30/30 or sling shot ..
wombat ..
 
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