Obama supports mosque... SURPRISE

[LDB]

What a surprise! I'm sure nobody could suspect our imam in chief would be all for building the mosque. What a joke. What's the joke those of you myopic on the issue ask? The joke is the support this gets from those who would most loudly object if the situation were reversed. Do you think the muslims would be all supportive of a Christian center built on whatever they consider sacred ground? Do you think the joke in chief would be all supportive and defending it? Bloomberg? Media? Any of those worthless liberal sacks of garbage? No, they'd decry it and label the supporters as evil troublemakers.


President Obama Supports 'Ground Zero Mosque'

 

[chefdennis]

Hey barry even gave the iman that is behind the building of this mosque a Fed Gov appointment and is senting him to the ME as a US Rep spread the goodwill of America to other muslum countries....oh and the US taxpayerss are paying for it....I guess their is no seperation between church and state when it comes to islam.....oh wait as i said before islam is a "political system also...I guess thats how they get around the "seperation" thingie.....

Here you go and From Dallas News!!

Feisal Abdul Rauf: Taxpayers pay for Ground Zero Mosque iman reach-out to Mideast muslims

August 10th, 2010 6:31 pm

Feisal Abdul Rauf: Taxpayers pay for Ground Zero Mosque iman reach-out to Mideast muslims - Mosque News and Comment

 

[Turtle]

Anybody have a map of Ground Zero that shows exactly how far out from Ground Zero the "sacred ground" extends?

 

[greg334]

Turtle, then entire island seems to be considered sacride ground.

It's odd, we are looking at another article about operation and no mention about the Greek Orthodox church getting the government's help with building a superchurch on government land - does this mean that nativity scenes are also allowed on city property?

 

[layoutshooter]

Turtle, then entire island seems to be considered sacride ground.

It's odd, we are looking at another article about operation and no mention about the Greek Orthodox church getting the government's help with building a superchurch on government land - does this mean that nativity scenes are also allowed on city property?

Well mmmmm Let's see. The Greek Orthodox church WAS there prior to the attacks. The church is NO LONGER there because it was destroyed in the attacks. The GOVERNMENT has assumed the responsibility for preventing attacks on the U.S. Therefor the Church was destroyed due to the governments inability to fulfill their obligations to that Church. Therefor, the government should pay to replace it WITH extras for punitive damages!! Man, sounds like a John Edwards argument!! That was FUN!!

 

[chefdennis]

Greg334 wrote:

It's odd, we are looking at another article about operation and no mention about the Greek Orthodox church getting the government's help with building a superchurch on government land - does this mean that nativity scenes are also allowed on city property?

Post #63, I posted on the Greek Orthodox Church......

http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/42787-tolerence-intolerence-2.html

 

[Poorboy]

Obumma is a Disgrace to His Office And to the Citizens of this Great Country! Heres another one just for you Witness: Obumma Needs to go and the Sooner the Better!

 

[greg334]

Sorry Chef, I remember that but still the government, state, local or federal and this includes the port authority, should not help rebuild the church with any tax payer money - period.

Whether or not the church was there or not before the attacks is irrelevant, when we start funding church building (including the nations cathedral), it is a problem with the separation clause. If in all fairness the Russian Orthodox Church wanted to build somewhere in Washington, then the government should help fund them too? Or who ever.

The problem with this idea that the government failed and they should pay is a bit ludicrous on many levels because we are the government. I can go along with compensation of the people who were sick by doing their jobs, the people who lived there and became sick but the government shouldn't be paying money to families or compensating a business who may be affected somewhere down the time line. As cruel as this sounds, somewhere we have to return to some semblance of common sense in our government and our lives.

 

[chefdennis]

I agree Greg, neither of them should get a dime or land or anything from the gov on any level....but if they are going to push for this moque and Patterson feels the need to give them state property, then what is good for one is good for the other....

Besides, I can't find anything on the status of any insurance claim by the Greek Church....that should be resolved before any gov funds are used, and if they are used, they should be in the form of "loans" to be repaid,,,,not gift of land or funds...

 

[LDB]

Since the location was hit with debris I'd say it's close enough to be included in the off limits radius. When they move it far enough to not see or be seen then it's marginally ok. Their trophy shrine is not. Period. End of story. No legitimate argument to the contrary.

 

[Turtle]

Not just debris, but the landing gear of one of the planes crashed down through the roof, destroying three floors.

But, no legitimate argument? The only argument against it is purely an emotional one that smacks of Islamophobia, which is about as illegitimate as you can get. If the YMCA wanted to turn the property into a community center with a 500-seat auditorium, a swimming pool, a restaurant, and a bookstore, that also included space for people to pray, no one would be freakin' out over it. But because the same exact type of facility is to be built by Muslims, we can't allow that? What's your definition of religious freedom? That's the litmus test.

Any argument that begins with something along the lines of, "Well, the YMCA didn't do this or that," fails, since Islam didn't do this or that, either. It was Muslim extremists that did it, not all Muslims and not all of Islam. Christian fundamentalists have done some despicable things, in recent times, so should we brand all Christians with the same iron? Unless it can be proven that this mosque and community center is strictly for Muslim extremists who would do us harm and not for anyone else, any singling out of Islam to disallow the mosque to be built near Ground Zero fails the First Amendment test.

The First Amendment, which applies to Congress and any local governments, states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

"Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like." - A Great American

 

[skyraider]

Not just debris, but the landing gear of one of the planes crashed down through the roof, destroying three floors.

But, no legitimate argument? The only argument against it is purely an emotional one that smacks of Islamophobia, which is about as illegitimate as you can get. If the YMCA wanted to turn the property into a community center with a 500-seat auditorium, a swimming pool, a restaurant, and a bookstore, that also included space for people to pray, no one would be freakin' out over it. But because the same exact type of facility is to be built by Muslims, we can't allow that? What's your definition of religious freedom? That's the litmus test.

Any argument that begins with something along the lines of, "Well, the YMCA didn't do this or that," fails, since Islam didn't do this or that, either. It was Muslim extremists that did it, not all Muslims and not all of Islam. Christian fundamentalists have done some despicable things, in recent times, so should we brand all Christians with the same iron? Unless it can be proven that this mosque and community center is strictly for Muslim extremists who would do us harm and not for anyone else, any singling out of Islam to disallow the mosque to be built near Ground Zero fails the First Amendment test.

The First Amendment, which applies to Congress and any local governments, states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

"Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like." - A Great American

who were the extremist when we had the Trail of Tears,,oooh, think about it.

 

[layoutshooter]

who were the extremist when we had the Trail of Tears,,oooh, think about it.

The "Trail of Tears" was brought to us by a Dumb-O-Crat, the party most famous for racism and bigotry!! Funny no matter how things seem to change they always remain the same.

 

[Turtle]

who were the extremist when we had the Trail of Tears,,oooh, think about it.

President Andrew Jackson, and the southern states who wanted the land then occupied by Native Americans, mostly. Not really a religious freedom issue, tho.

 

[skyraider]

President Andrew Jackson, and the southern states who wanted the land then occupied by Native Americans, mostly. Not really a religious freedom issue, tho.

Wounded Knee: 300 unarmed Indians killed by US Army 1890

 

[layoutshooter]

Wounded Knee: 300 unarmed Indians killed by US Army 1890

One of many. Of course, Indians are not without guilt either. Problems between Indians and Europeans go back long before Columbus went to the islands. Nothing new. That does not make it right, just how it was.

 

[Turtle]

Wounded Knee: 300 unarmed Indians killed by US Army 1890

Again, not really a religious freedom issue. While religion is often a reason, it's not the sole reason for war and mass murder.

I had relatives who died on the Trail of Tears, so I well know those issues, and almost none of them involved religious extremism.

 

[layoutshooter]

"Again, not really a religious freedom issue. While religion is often a reason, it's not the sole reason for war and mass murder."


Very true. I would guess that economics, politics etc have killed just as many or started as many wars as religion has. Much of the carnage of the 20th century was not religion based.

 

[RLENT]

Anybody have a map of Ground Zero that shows exactly how far out from Ground Zero the "sacred ground" extends?

YES !!!

Recently while down at the truckstop I met a couple of fellows who informed me that the very esteemed and revered Boobus Americanus Retardus Association of Amerika (Unaffiliated) has been deliberating long and hard on this very issue for quite some time.

Further, they informed me that they themselves were, in fact, actually the Executive Committee of said organization and that after very much deep contemplation, the membership had made a decision .... and if I were willing to receive Their Word, they would bestow upon me the "O-fish-all Findin's" as it were .... and I would thereby be the first to receive the most holy ree-valay-shun ....

Below is an image of the Executive Committee (sans the tinfoil hats), just after having polled the full membership back in the barn, and mere moments before they made the historic trek to the truckstop to find yours truly.

The decision apparently, was pretty much unanimous (with the exception of Goober, who being the kind-hearted soul that he is, thought it would quite enough to draw the line at the Mississippi River)

I have included an image below of the map which the Executive Committee supplied which fully delineates the sacred and most holy ground in it's entirety:

 

[LDB]

You got the map right but you've accidentally put in the photo of the PRO (Pelosi/Reid/Obama) fan club by mistake.