Obama: Mandatory Service for All?

[Pilgrim]

Could these be things to anticipate once the Obama administration gets settled in?

1. The Obama Youth
2. Mandatory community service for all
3. Mandatory three or four months of "basic training" type of civil service duty.
4. A National Security Organization equal to the military

These programs were proposed during the course of his campaign, and his now Chief of Staff elaborated on this as the following article points out:

Emanuel volunteers Americans to do 'a lot'

Evan Thomas of Newsweek has described this guy as "creepy", and it's easy to see why. A lot of this was outlined on BHO's website change.org. However, it was either removed or the wording altered after the howls of protest that started once the word started getting out. You can bet that doesn't mean the idea is dead. What's amazing is that the mainstream media was aware of this outrageous stuff back in the summer and hardly a word was mentioned on any major network or newspaper. One can imagine the screams of protest if this had been suggested by the GOP.

In the final analysis, widespread knowledge of these Hitleresque notions probably wouldn't have made any difference. The media painted a picture of this candidate that was accepted without question, and facts were deemed irrelevant. I wonder how all the young Obama supporters will feel when they get their draft notices to report for their basic training and community service?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

The day they tell my children they have to be brown shirts is the day we move to Canada. My kids will NOT be brainwashed by some self righteous community activist cokeheads! I'd rather they get brainwashed by our friends to the north. Just so happens, my wife is Canadian; which makes my kids dual citizens. I'll pray for those children left behind.

I suggest we start activating the communities ourselves, and convince ppl to get this guy out of office before he sweet talks us into giving him into another term. It can't happen like Clinton. Ppl were pizzed at him. How soon they forgot that he did nothing to get reelected, but sign the bills the conservatives sent him. Then we put a dufus like Dole against him. Pathetic!

We need to skip an election, and let the Dems have midterms. Then LAY IT ON EM!!! Take everything back in '12 - House, Senate, Presidency (and not some schmoe like McCain), and our country!

Screw a Republican revolution; we need a CONSERVATIVE revolution!

 

[arkjarhead]

Exactly T-Hawk. We need to get together and see to it the the Republican party puts up a strong, conservative candidate in 2012. It might mean putting a little bit of our money where our mouthes are. As much as it pains me to say. Obama can raise money for himself. It will be hard for anyone to beat that. Plus the Dems will be one step ahead of the Republicans in 2012 because they already know how will get the nomination. Unless something crazy happens between now and then and Obama decides he doesn't want it.

 

[Jack_Berry]

great idea. hopefully it is military or ccc or vista style service. many countries in better shape than ours has mandatory national service of one sort or another for 2-3 years.

better check out the nationalized style of services in canada before moving. no reason to go in not knowing and complaining later. no weapons you know. nationalized medical service. the soon impending ever un-popular speed limiters. no radar detectors. what are you giving up?

 

[x06col]

At least the young'uns would get some kind of wake up call and structure in their late teens insteada going thru life in lala land like most do now. Value would depend on if it's touchy feely, or something worthwhile.

 

[Pilgrim]

great idea. hopefully it is military or ccc or vista style service. many countries in better shape than ours has mandatory national service of one sort or another for 2-3 years.


Which countries would these be, and what it is that makes them "in better shape" than we are? Also, what types of mandatory national service do they require that make such a positive difference?

Conscription (the draft) of young males for military service in times of war or national security crises is one thing. However, in the USA there might be some constitutional issues that would be contrary to forced servitude in civil organizations like VISTA. More than likely, the vast majority of Americans liberal and conservative alike would not surrender their basic freedom for this type of indentured servitude.

 

[arkjarhead]

I see what's wrong with making the kids that think they are to good to go in the military get sent to work in the chow halls and what not on the various bases. Make them pick up trash and clean various things.

I went to school on Vetern's Day only to hear a group of students talking about how they had been bothered by the local Army recruiter and how they wouldn't go in the military for nothing. I looked at them and said "Your Welcome". They asked me why I said that and I told them because of people like me volunteering they didn't get drafted. I also told them to imagine a world where everyone had the same lack of patriotism and balls and thought they were to good to serve. Then I asked them if that was a world they wanted to live in. Of course after this they had a long list of excuses on why they couldn't join.

 

[Jack_Berry]

great idea. hopefully it is military or ccc or vista style service. many countries in better shape than ours has mandatory national service of one sort or another for 2-3 years.


Which countries would these be, and what it is that makes them "in better shape" than we are? Also, what types of mandatory national service do they require that make such a positive difference?


denmark and sweden for two i can up with off the top of my head. both have mandatory 2 year military service after high school. in the case of denmark if you do not go onto teaching they require military.

why are they in better shape? these countries work to find other employment for those put out of work. there has been articles on the net i have read and also in the case of denmark i have insider information.



Conscription (the draft) of young males for military service in times of war or national security crises is one thing. However, in the USA there might be some constitutional issues that would be contrary to forced servitude in civil organizations like VISTA. More than likely, the vast majority of Americans liberal and conservative alike would not surrender their basic freedom for this type of indentured servitude.

like the col sys....it might give OUR youth a direction to go in their blowing in the wind lives of seinfeld nothingness.

do you really have a problem with that? you think that is bad?

 

[Pilgrim]

Arkjarhead: "I see what's wrong with making the kids that think they are to good to go in the military get sent to work in the chow halls and what not on the various bases. Make them pick up trash and clean various things."


I understand where you're coming from - I see way too many spoiled brats that are high school and college age that have been indoctrinated into the entitlement mentality by not only their parents, but also the public schools. Most of them have been taught since birth that their "self esteem" is the most important thing in their lives, and sacrifice and/or self discipline is an unknown concept. But like I said before - the military is a totally different deal. I firmly believe we'll see reinstatement of the draft during the first Obama term - which will be totally contrary to his liberal tendencies and those of his left-wing supporters. What makes this unique is the necessity of this practice for national security, and the means to enforce it.

Consider on the other hand, VISTA, CCC or some other touchy-feely group trying to enforce mandatory service. The desertion rate would be astronomical once these kids realize the time-wasting, make-work bs they've been forced into. It would be extremely expensive to administrate programs like these on a large scale, and you can imagine the govt. waste that could be poured into this sort of deal. Imagine an govt. agency similar to FEMA administrating this huge number of young "volunteers" being shipped into Appalachian areas like the Eastern KY coal fields, or into the ghettos of LA or Chicago. Needless to say, the children of our congressmen, senators, influential state politicians, and wealthy donors would be provided loopholes for their exemption. In summary, I don't think the American public would stand for this sort of indentured servitude - and for good reason.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I agree kids need direction. But making them brown shirt community activists is exactly what we don't need. If they're doing an actual good, like working for either a faith-based program, or other charities, then fine. But my understanding is they'll be working with ACORN type organizations trying to get crack heads and the dead to vote. We also don't need community snitches or agitators, socialist educators, or paid activist marchers. What we do need is a way to make kids learn what production is. And IMO, that should be taught in school; along with finance, how our government works, and what the Constitution means, and how it was conceived. If our chirlins actually knew the opportunity they have, by understanding the basics of the economy, there would be far fewer on the government cheese force.

 

[layoutshooter]

Either serve in the military or a civilian service, for two years. That civilian service CANNOT be armed. Not allowed under that peskey Constitution. Osama Obama wants that armed force in case the Army refuses to fight U.S. citizens if it comes to that. Watch out for Powel as the leader of that force. It will be made up off all "CITY" people. More likely to get people who agree with the "BROWN SHIRT" idea. Time to "GET BACK" at those tax payers that supported them as they held them down. Layoutshooter

 

[Black Sheep]

A couple of thoughts:

(1) We've proven that we don't need a military draft in peacetime, but I agree that we might see one coming in the near future if/when we get into a skirmish with Iran, or anyone else for that matter. Mandatory military service wouldn't be all bad, even if it were something like the National Guard or Reserves. Enlistment in the reserves used to be six years, but if it were mandatory the requirement could probably be cut down to three, especially if it applied to men and women alike. For the civilian service, how about requiring anyone on welfare to serve in VISTA or something similar? This would result in some productivity from the wastrels that are sucking down our tax dollars and giving nothing in return. However, I don't agree with requiring all the nations' citizenry to participate in some sort of civil service, especially the nation's youth. I have visions of a govt. indoctrination program cloaked as "civil service" that could become pretty ugly. The public schools are bad enough without this added burden.

(2) From Jack Berry: "why are they in better shape? these countries work to find other employment for those put out of work. there has been articles on the net i have read and also in the case of denmark i have insider information."

Keep in mind that Denmark has a social welfare system requiring income tax rates up to 60% needed to support it. 80% of the population is unionized. Citizens can receive 90% of their salary for up to four years if they lose their job. However, their unemployment rate is about 5% which is due to the labor pool system the govt. has in place. Simply put, it's European socialism at it's best. But it does work well in the Danish society, although I don't think it would work in the US. Sweden is probably very similar and both countries have a high standard of living. I'm sure both are good places to live, but I'll still take the good old USA with all it's flaws both real and imagined.

Below is an interesting link evaluating the economic freedom of most nations - it offers some good information regarding the ingredients that make good economies work for all citizens.

Index of Economic Freedom

 

[Tennesseahawk]

That's a good link, Black Sheep.

One thing that isn't surprising to me is that China has held Hong Kong for the last 8-9 yrs, and hasn't changed a thing. Ireland, at number 3, is also a no-brainer. Europeans are flocking to Ireland because their lax economic laws and very low corporate taxes have caused companies to set up shop there, THUS CREATING JOBS! Amazing how they stay afloat and afford all the welfare they DON'T have, because everybody's WORKING!

Why don't we get the hint in America?