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[WanderngFool]

Umm...no. It is again, " follow the money". Democrats want renewables in which they have personal investments. If the true goal is as you are thinking we will run out of oil, we would have switched to natural gas along time ago. Plenty of it and no where close to ever running out.
One slight problem. The gas industry is tied heavily to the oil industry and that is where the "Right" has a lot of their money sitting. Much better return on the dollar and for the average American, much better savings. Have to consider also, other countries want it and the infrastructure is already in place. Solar and wind can't support themselves and that is why millions of tax dollars are used to sustain them. Take that away, and both industries collapse.
See...it really is "about the money" rather than wanting to save a tree.

I can see you guys aren't ready yet. Once the weather really starts to get weird you'll open your eyes. Btw, I said we're NOT running out of oil and never will.

CO2 at over 400ppm and climbing... I remember when they called 300ppm the point of no return.

I will say this though. For me the reason for still not being 100% sure (only 99% ) is that scientists can't even guesstimate how well the earth will adapt (self-heal if you will). That's the thing no one knows.

 

[Turtle]

Maybe it's that he starts off telling his wife he can see himself doing exactly the same thing in the same situation and then does a 180 to the typical academic position that CHL holders/practitioners are stupid for doing so and he has divested himself of all his guns by putting them at his father's. Kind of like what I said already. It's fine if he disagrees with me. It's his, and anyone else's, privilege to be wrong.

So it's the latter, then.

 

[Pilgrim]

It's Really Hard to Be a Good Guy With a Gun

An honest article from a long-time conceal and carry guy.

Actually, it's a not-so-honest article from an author that claims to be a "long-time conceal and carry guy". The first thing that set off my BS alarm is that he's apparently not able to secure weapons in his home in spite of having all this training and experience - but no doubt that sounds good to his liberal readers. Secondly, without fact checking the entire article there are two claims he makes that are just flat-out not true:

Florida's required concealed-carry course can now be taken in minutes at a gun show, revolving-door style.

Concealed carry course requirements will vary from state to state, but a simple Google search reveals that Florida's basic course can be completed in about 2-3 hours, which I'll admit is pretty lame. But that only gets you the certificate of course completion; after that you have to get fingerprinted, complete the other paperwork, then send it all in to the state office that will send your carry permit in a few weeks. The process in TN is similar, but the course takes one or two days to complete (8 hours total) including written and range firing tests. I've never heard of carry permit courses being offered at gun shows, if for no other reason than because they don't allow loaded guns on the premises.

Even though the statistics show mass shootings are on the rise, and not one has been stopped by armed good guys—armed civilian good guys.

This statement refers to a study/article in Mother Jones which distorts the facts and has been widely discredited, an example of which can be found from The Weekly Standard.

Is it True Armed Civilians Have Never Stopped a Mass Shooting? | The Weekly Standard

For obvious reasons, anyone who intends to get a carry permit should take a few classes in firearms training in addition to the basic concealed carry class itself.

 

[layoutshooter]

It's Really Hard to Be a Good Guy With a Gun

An honest article from a long-time conceal and carry guy.

Sounds like a fake to me. Likely written by some Demoncrat staff writer.

 

[davekc]

I can see you guys aren't ready yet. Once the weather really starts to get weird you'll open your eyes. Btw, I said we're NOT running out of oil and never will.

CO2 at over 400ppm and climbing... I remember when they called 300ppm the point of no return.

I will say this though. For me the reason for still not being 100% sure (only 99% ) is that scientists can't even guesstimate how well the earth will adapt (self-heal if you will). That's the thing no one knows.

Have you been spending too much time on Al Gore's website? Your oil drilling isn't factual. You said,

Another thing to consider is that we're running out of easily reachable oil. The low hanging fruit is about gone. (let's get something out of the way real quick - we're not running out of oil and we never will - but harder to extract oil will be so expensive that no one will want it). So we're turning to renewables whether we want to or not.

Through the use of technology, extracting oil is far less than years past. One doesn't have to go far to obtain that information. If carbon is increasing as you state, (which is debatable) changing things here will affect that number by maybe one percent. Again, unless you have a huge global change, which you don't, then all of the climate change stuff is a waste of taxpayers money.
The financial trade off just isn't there, unless of course you are invested in "green" technology.
As far as being in that "99 percent", probably going to have to figure how much "man" is a contributor, and how much "man" would have to actually do to affect change. Right now, even the "green" folks can't come close to answering that.
I wouldn't take any of it seriously since they don't. If serious, a massive push would be on for natural gas. Again.....follow the money. As far as whether we "are ready", just not "ready" for another government sham.

 

[layoutshooter]

One of the newest threats to the earth's temperature is wind generators. Not to mention how much energy that they are taking OUT of the atmosphere and disrupting movement of water vapor, likely contributing to the soon likely to end drought in California.

 

[davekc]

One of the newest threats to the earth's temperature is wind generators. Not to mention how much energy that they are taking OUT of the atmosphere and disrupting movement of water vapor, likely contributing to the soon likely to end drought in California.

You can't focus on that. You have to be concerned about all the birds they are killing. Of course they can kill as many as they want because democrats have invested in this and it might be "green", courtesy of the Obama EPA exemption for killing birds.

 

[layoutshooter]

You can't focus on that. You have to be concerned about all the birds they are killing. Of course they can kill as many as they want because democrats have invested in this and it might be "green", courtesy of the Obama EPA exemption for killing birds.

Obama, and his "Greenie Weenies" have ZERO interest in the environment or that canal in Chicago would have been closed 6 years ago. Their ONLY interest is to make sure that their greedy, billionaire buddies, can continue to make scads of money off of all the hype they can produce. They are a bunch of HiPPoCrItS

 

[davekc]

Obama, and his "Greenie Weenies" have ZERO interest in the environment or that canal in Chicago would have been closed 6 years ago. Their ONLY interest is to make sure that their greedy, billionaire buddies, can continue to make scads of money off of all the hype they can produce. They are a bunch of HiPPoCrItS

Very true. India and China can't stop laughing and continue to buy up US businesses after we bankrupt them because we are wasting money on all this foolishness.
Look at Fisker. We pour millions in taxpayer money only to have it go bankrupt. Then the Chinese swoop in and buy it for pennies on the dollar and then start the process again because it can save a tree and they sell it back to us in the form of environmental cars. Genius I tell ya.

 

[layoutshooter]

Obama and Co. are sure doing a GREAT job of tearing apart our military while helping to build up, and modernize, the Chinese military. Kinda makes one wonder which side the Marxist in the White House is on.

 

[cheri1122]

Or an article by a typical academic. He starts off by saying he can see himself doing the exact same thing in the same situation and then goes on to say carry is stupid.

Nowhere in the article does the author say, or even imply, that carrying [concealed or openly] is stupid - that's your [mis] interpretation.
What he said is that it got Miller shot, and that it could happen to him, or anyone who carries a weapon, and that is the simple truth. It's what you don't know that can hurt you - and Miller didn't know about the woman with a gun.
His questions and doubts are quite real, and they're the same ones anyone who takes the power to kill very seriously ought to consider. The decision to have, and/or use that power, is a little more important than which shirt to wear today, and a responsible person puts a great deal of thought into it. That his responsibility to protect his son complicated the issue says he takes it very seriously, as everyone should, because it is no less than life & death. The question he askes is: whose? And he is right to wonder about it.
Dismissing his thoughtful article as written by "a typical academic" is the polar opposite of thoughtful and/or considered.
And you wonder why people mistrust the judgement of those who choose to carry?

 

[Turtle]

Conceal and Carry course at a Florida gun show is 3 hours.

 

[LDB]

He may not have used the word stupid however he does nothing but talk down the idea of carrying and acting after initially telling his wife he can see himself doing exactly the same thing. His overall thesis is that anyone with any sense isn't going to carry and isn't going to act. Pick any specific words that make you happy.

 

[WanderngFool]

Have you been spending too much time on Al Gore's website? Your oil drilling isn't factual. You said,


Through the use of technology, extracting oil is far less than years past. One doesn't have to go far to obtain that information. If carbon is increasing as you state, (which is debatable) changing things here will affect that number by maybe one percent. Again, unless you have a huge global change, which you don't, then all of the climate change stuff is a waste of taxpayers money.
The financial trade off just isn't there, unless of course you are invested in "green" technology.
As far as being in that "99 percent", probably going to have to figure how much "man" is a contributor, and how much "man" would have to actually do to affect change. Right now, even the "green" folks can't come close to answering that.
I wouldn't take any of it seriously since they don't. If serious, a massive push would be on for natural gas. Again.....follow the money. As far as whether we "are ready", just not "ready" for another government sham.

I'm not even sure what you just said. Are you doubting that oil is a commodity and it's cost will rise as it gets more difficult to extract? Not overnight of course, but the price of oil will rise. It happens to other commodities too ya know. Priced copper wire or pipe lately? The world isn't running out of copper either - just the low hanging fruit. But I'm sure the wingnut conspiracy theorists have something to say about copper too. The price is up because President Obama hoards it in his basement? Nancy Pelosi has copper statues made of her? Maybe it's just liberals trying to wire up all those windmills. It's some choice nonsense whatever it is.

You're right about 1/2 of something though. It is a religious thing for conservatives. 100% of their thought process is about which side to believe and 0% is about the consequences of being wrong. It's a pretty mindless way to "think". Once again, follow the advice of liberals and if they're wrong it's not a big deal no matter how much Fox News you watch. Follow the advice of conservatives and if they're wrong we've screwed over future generations for the sake of our own selfishness and greed.

And btw, how about leaving Al Gore out of this? He invented the internet you know!

 

[LDB]

Oh yeah, and global warming isn't at all a religion of the left.

 

[Moot]

I've never heard of carry permit courses being offered at gun shows, if for no other reason than because they don't allow loaded guns on the premises.

I can't walk around a gun show with a loaded gun but I can go into a Chilis with a loaded rifle slung over my shoulder. Is this a great country or what!

 

[Moot]

I will say this though. For me the reason for still not being 100% sure (only 99% ) is that scientists can't even guesstimate how well the earth will adapt (self-heal if you will). That's the thing no one knows.

The earth will always adapt. We could detonate every nuclear device today and the earth and many life forms will adapt. Man might have some difficulty but Mother Earth is one tough chick.

 

[davekc]

I'm not even sure what you just said.

I think you have identified the problem.

 

[Ragman]

Mother Earth is one tough chick.

 

[cheri1122]

He may not have used the word stupid however he does nothing but talk down the idea of carrying and acting after initially telling his wife he can see himself doing exactly the same thing. His overall thesis is that anyone with any sense isn't going to carry and isn't going to act. Pick any specific words that make you happy.

It was the realization that he would probably have done the same thing as Miller [approach an armed threat] and been shot by an accomplice he hadn't seen, that got him thinking about the wisdom of carrying a weapon to protect himself. Because he's right: if you have a weapon, you will probably react as he did, and how did that work out?
As for his son, I had the same question when there's a small child in the home: how do you secure the weapon so the child cannot get to it, but in an emergency, you can, before it's too late?
People who carry tend to cross the 'self defense' item off their mental checklist, 'problem solved', but it's just not that simple: sometimes, carrying can get you killed, rather than protect you from it. As long as you refuse to acknowledge that, you're not playing with a full deck.