Obama exerts executive priveledge in Fast and Furious documents.

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Although I do not agree with this and would much prefer that even when stuff goes wrong, man up and show it ....... but according to the BBC report this sort of thing is not exceptional ......

From the BBC report

"This is the first use of executive privilege for withholding documents by Mr Obama. Former Presidents George W Bush and Bill Clinton used the privilege six and 14 times respectively during their eight-year terms"

Just curious .... but what were they hiding?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
barry and his minions have said all along that the WH was not in the "loop" on this..they had no "prior" info before it came out...So why invoke "HIS EXECUTIVE PRIVEDGE" ??? Were they lying all along?? Does this lead back to barry and his efforts to show guns from the US were going to Mexico illegally so he could tighten gun controls?? Or is he just helping holder with the coverup???

This POS in the WH needs removed come Nov...
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
What are they hiding, indeed. Here's an interesting article, an opinion piece, but an opinion that's worth noting because it's an opinion based on verifiable facts, that should make anyone regardless of their political bent sit up straight and take note. Obama only goes after leaks that don't benefit him - CBS News

It's about leaks and about whistle blowers, but it's about much more than that. It's about the seizure of power on a grand scale. It's three pages, and I highly encourage reading all three pages. None of it is news you haven't heard, but you've heard it all in bits and pieces, isolated from each other, as it happens. This piece puts it all together. And it's a piece that will put Eric Holder and Fast and Furious into the proper perspective. The CNN story, and others, has Fast and Furious, and the invoking of Executive Privilege, as being a story of politics as usual. It's not. Not by a long shot.

"What lies at the nexus of President Obama's targeted drone killings, his self-serving leaks, and his aggressive prosecution of whistleblowers is a president who believes himself above the law, and seems convinced that he alone has a preternatural ability to determine right from wrong."

"Here is the simple reality of our moment: the president has definitively declared himself (and his advisors and those who carry out his orders) above the law, both statutory and moral."


Once you read the piece at this link, it puts the Executive Privilege story into a new, and more accurate perspective. And it's a perspective that, as the author suggests, "If this is where a nation of laws ends up, you should be afraid."
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Eric Holder, and his boss, have long been opposed the the 2nd Amendment AND the entire Constitution. The Bill of Rights is just something in there way.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Although I do not agree with this and would much prefer that even when stuff goes wrong, man up and show it ....... but according to the BBC report this sort of thing is not exceptional ......

From the BBC report

"This is the first use of executive privilege for withholding documents by Mr Obama. Former Presidents George W Bush and Bill Clinton used the privilege six and 14 times respectively during their eight-year terms"

Just curious .... but what were they hiding?

It is not out of the norm. Obama, however, claimed that he would have an "open" administration. That 'his' administration would be transparent.

What is he hiding? The fact that this was a plan to further the idea that the U.S. and private gun owners and shops are the cause of the problems in Mexico. He wanted to us this to push for more restrictions on the 2nd amendment and put US gun owners under UN control.

He got caught, and like most worms, is trying to wiggle out of it.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
It is not out of the norm. Obama, however, claimed that he would have an "open" administration. That 'his' administration would be transparent.

What is he hiding? The fact that this was a plan to further the idea that the U.S. and private gun owners and shops are the cause of the problems in Mexico. He wanted to us this to push for more restrictions on the 2nd amendment and put US gun owners under UN control.

He got caught, and like most worms, is trying to wiggle out of it.


Thank you :)

I'm pretty much up to date on Obama :p - I wanted to know what the other two were hiding LOL
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Thank you :)

I'm pretty much up to date on Obama :p - I wanted to know what the other two were hiding LOL

Holder, and his boss, are now working on bypassing the congress and outlawing the importation of all semi-automatic shotguns into the United States. This was done by a 'rule' passed by the BATFE, stating that ANY semi-auto or pump shotgun that can be fitted with a pistol grip cannot be imported. Which is everyone made.

Obama, and Holder, are BOTH on record saying that they want ALL semi-autos and pumps that can be fitted with a pistol grip, regardless where they are made, outlawed.

I guess they don't understand what 'not be infringed' means.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Holder, and his boss, are now working on bypassing the congress and outlawing the importation of all semi-automatic shotguns into the United States. This was done by a 'rule' passed by the BATFE, stating that ANY semi-auto or pump shotgun that can be fitted with a pistol grip cannot be imported. Which is everyone made.

Obama, and Holder, are BOTH on record saying that they want ALL semi-autos and pumps that can be fitted with a pistol grip, regardless where they are made, outlawed.

I guess they don't understand what 'not be infringed' means.


Sorry I did not explain myself properly ...... I wanted to know what Bush and Clinton were hiding with their 6 and 14 times respectively, executive privileges. :)
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Sorry I did not explain myself properly ...... I wanted to know what Bush and Clinton were hiding with their 6 and 14 times respectively, executive privileges. :)

Often it is defense department related, OR, they wanted to cover up something. I can't think of examples off the top of my head, There were far too many of them. There should seldom be any.

Any president can use it. This one made a point of not wanting to use it and, at the beginning of this murder and coverup, did not invoke it. He only did when congress told him and Holder to stuff it.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Sorry I did not explain myself properly ...... I wanted to know what Bush and Clinton were hiding with their 6 and 14 times respectively, executive privileges. :)

I could care less about the "Executive Privileges" these 2 invoked 20 times collectively in their Presidency.........

A person, a US Citizen, a Defender of our Borders was MURDERED in this case......

Need anymore be said????
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Killed directly due to the actions of this administration and they are claiming executive privilege to avoid taking responsibility. It is MURDER. Obama is in charge. His fault. An arrest is in order.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
I could care less about the "Executive Privileges" these 2 invoked 20 times collectively in their Presidency.........

A person, a US Citizen, a Defender of our Borders was MURDERED in this case......

Need anymore be said????

Sorry if I upset you, I did know that an officer was murdered.

My question did have a point though - without knowing what the others were hiding - how would I know that it did or didn't involve people getting killed for something that went totally wrong.

My apologies again.
 

xiggi

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Sorry if I upset you, I did know that an officer was murdered.

My question did have a point though - without knowing what the others were hiding - how would I know that it did or didn't involve people getting killed for something that went totally wrong.

My apologies again.

Normally ep is invoked early on in an investgation not at the 11th hour like this time. The only bush one that pops in my head without looking is when the dems were going after him for firing, I think it was some us attorney's

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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Normally ep is invoked early on in an investgation not at the 11th hour like this time. The only bush one that pops in my head without looking is when the dems were going after him for firing, I think it was some us attorney's

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Obama did not think that the congress would stand up to him and Holder. That is why he did not claim it earlier. He really believed that he could get away with this. Claiming it now really make him look guilty. There are as many as 30,000 missing documents. Holder has lied before congress. He needs to go. So does his boss.

The president has the right to hire, or fire, US attorneys. I do remember that but not the particulars.
 
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