OBAMA and the terrorist

[RLENT]

How the hell did they win???????????

Ask yourself that question the next time you are stopped at a CBP "checkpoint" outside of Laredo ..... or the next time you decide to fly and TSA decides to grope you at the airport ..... or the next time you hear about the astronomical amount of money we as a country have expended in completely counter-productive military actions in foreign lands ....

 

[Camper]

Ask yourself that question the next time you are stopped at a CBP "checkpoint" outside of Laredo ..... or the next time you decide to fly and TSA decides to grope you at the airport ..... or the next time you hear about the astronomical amount of money we as a country have expended in completely counter-productive military actions in foreign lands ....

I'm glad to see someone gets it.

Another bit of irony is the creation of the TSA by Bush and the other so-called fiscal conservatives.


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[Moot]

They might have won in YOUR mind, not mine. I still do as I please, go where I want, hunt fish and work at my pleasure.

Really? Have you met an arriving loved one or seen one depart at an airport gate in the last 10 years? Have you boarded a commercial airliner unmolested in the past 10 years. Do you now or have you ever possessed a FAST card, TWIC card or Hazmat endorsement. Have you ever delivered to a nuclear power plant in the last 10 years? Did you drive a truck or van in New York City last week.

I believe that OUR government is a much greater threat to my freedoms than those "terrorists" are.

Agreed, but it's those "terrorists" that were the impetus for the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and the further curtailment of our freedoms.

 

[Moot]

..... or the next time you hear about the astronomical amount of money we as a country have expended in completely counter-productive military actions in foreign lands ....

But Randy, the military provides young people who quite often get involved with gangs and drugs and end up dead over some silly turf dispute; with food, clothing, shelter and job skills. Major defense contractors such as Northrup Grumman, Boeing, ATK, BAE, General Dynamics, etc. provide jobs for Americans. We as a country need to get involved in more military actions and spend more money on defense to get us out of this Great Recession.

I'm too old for the military but as soon as I finish my breakfast I'm applying for a TSA job.

 

[scottm4211]

I did not watch anything on 9/11. In fact, I did not watch any news at all this entire weekend. It was WONDERFUL!! I spent the weekend enjoying life, the outdoors and good friends as I have done for years. Proof that the attackers on 9/11 did NOT win!

One of the more myopic posts in recent memory. Well done!

 

[witness23]

Par for the course.

 

[mcavoy33]

One of the more myopic posts in recent memory. Well done!

I'm pretty sure Layout know the effect 911 has had on society. But why should that mean he has to let them win over his personal life?

While I chose to take some time to honour 911, I respect a person who will not allow it to negatively affect them.

Personally, I don't really care about the hassles, they are there, nothing I can do about them but I can control how I view life and I chose to not let "what if" affect me. I'm going to still live my life just as I did before 911, in fact 911 is a reminder that life is short and can be taken away anytime by cancer or anything, I'm not going to let someone in Iraq, Afghanistan or even Washington dictate how I live.

I applaud Layout for his mentality.

Ithink judging his viewpoint is myopic.

 

[scottm4211]

So you're going to continue packing your luggage with razors, large containers of fluids... and cross the border or re enter the country with just your drivers license...just like you did pre 911? And don't forget to refuse pat downs, truck x rays, and all that comes with it. Let us know how that works out.
You can say it doesn't affect you or your personal life. I say that's a myopic view. :waves:

 

[mcavoy33]

So you're going to continue packing your luggage with razors, large containers of fluids... and cross the border or re enter the country with just your drivers license...just like you did pre 911? And don't forget to refuse pat downs, truck x rays, and all that comes with it. Let us know how that works out.
You can say it doesn't affect you or your personal life. I say that's a myopic view. :waves:

If you read my post, you would have realized I said "I dontcare about the hassles", why do you assume that I am so dumb that I don't realize that there are changes.

Why do you feel the need to judge people? Again, it's you who is making a mistake, I acknowledged those changes butyour trying to call my viewpoint myopic when you failed to see I acknowledged it already.

fwiw I do pack razors and big toothepaste tubes, I just don't bring them on carry on.

 

[scottm4211]

If you read my post, you would have realized I said "I dontcare about the hassles", why do you assume that I am so dumb that I don't realize that there are changes.

Why do you feel the need to judge people? Again, it's you who is making a mistake, I acknowledged those changes butyour trying to call my viewpoint myopic when you failed to see I acknowledged it already.

fwiw I do pack razors and big toothepaste tubes, I just don't bring them on carry on.

Why do you think I'm judging anyone? I'm commenting on a post from a stranger on a messageboard. I don't know him. Just like you don't know me.

 

[greg334]

I believe that OUR government is a much greater threat to my freedoms than those "terrorists" are.

Read this carefully, THIS IS WHY THEY WON

I'm not going to let someone in Iraq, Afghanistan or even Washington dictate how I live.

But they are. Once you admit that it is not a big deal, they have gained what they wanted you to do - adjust your life around the security that is supposedly needed to "protect" the country and everyone in it.

This is why I and a lot of others said that instead of acting as victims, we just needed to make one statement clear and simple through rebuilding the WTC complex to what it was. BUT because most have had been negitive about what happened, acted as if something was owed to a small group of people, we ended up with a memorial and museum to one single event - maybe that should have been a memorial to our lost rights and freedoms?

 

[layoutshooter]

"Read this carefully, THIS IS WHY THEY WON"


Read this carefully: What scares me about this government and our loss of freedoms have absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11 or their reaction to it.

The assault on our freedoms, liberty and our Constitution have been going on for decades. The abuse of power by the Feds was on of the major reasons I left "the business". I could not be a party to it. I did, after all, take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and our government was making that impossible. All 9/11 did was give them an "excuse" to accelerate the take over. Nothing more.

 

[greg334]

Read this carefully: What scares me about this government and our loss of freedoms have absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11 or their reaction to it.

The problem is it looks like you don't want to understand the connection and make it look like it has nothing to do with it but in fact it does. I see you understand it in the next quote.

The assault on our freedoms, liberty and our Constitution have been going on for decades. The abuse of power by the Feds was on of the major reasons I left "the business". I could not be a party to it. I did, after all, take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and our government was making that impossible. All 9/11 did was give them an "excuse" to accelerate the take over. Nothing more.

The assault you talk about is based on the same reasoning that was used to start the take over, a war has to be fought and how we have to fight it is to do this or that, which by the way we have to limit your rights in doing so. It started with Teddy Roosevelt, and accelerated with Wilson.

This time around, we have a war on terror which unless we as a nation want to destroy an entire religion and the people who follow it, we will never win. This time we have the emotion of the mtv generation running the show who are not equipped for real war and we are running around p8ssing on people and thinking that we are spreading democracy at the same time messing with our own rights and freedoms for the idea that it makes us safer, then can't understand how 77 people can get injured by an attack in the same country that we should have been done fighting in 4 years ago.

Last month we were told that we don't have long to wait for Al Quida's demise because we killed Osama but we seem to forget who we are fighting and how vacuums are formed to allow others to step in and take over the killing.

If we want to deal with the terrorist, we don't ignore them but we also don't let them change our country. Our country has been changed, not by a tragedy but by our fears of another attack. If we rebuilt the WTC complex, it is a message that we will not falter but because we bickered, cried about fairness and then went overboard on everything, we sent the message that we are afraid to face what happened.

So they won.

 

[layoutshooter]

The problem is it looks like you don't want to understand the connection and make it look like it has nothing to do with it but in fact it does. I see you understand it in the next quote.



The assault you talk about is based on the same reasoning that was used to start the take over, a war has to be fought and how we have to fight it is to do this or that, which by the way we have to limit your rights in doing so. It started with Teddy Roosevelt, and accelerated with Wilson.

This time around, we have a war on terror which unless we as a nation want to destroy an entire religion and the people who follow it, we will never win. This time we have the emotion of the mtv generation running the show who are not equipped for real war and we are running around p8ssing on people and thinking that we are spreading democracy at the same time messing with our own rights and freedoms for the idea that it makes us safer, then can't understand how 77 people can get injured by an attack in the same country that we should have been done fighting in 4 years ago.

Last month we were told that we don't have long to wait for Al Quida's demise because we killed Osama but we seem to forget who we are fighting and how vacuums are formed to allow others to step in and take over the killing.

If we want to deal with the terrorist, we don't ignore them but we also don't let them change our country. Our country has been changed, not by a tragedy but by our fears of another attack. If we rebuilt the WTC complex, it is a message that we will not falter but because we bickered, cried about fairness and then went overboard on everything, we sent the message that we are afraid to face what happened.

So they won.

You believe ANYTHING you want. It is, after all, your right, at least for now.

Can't win this one without destroying an entire religion? Horse hockey.

The mess we are in started with Lincoln and maybe further back than that.

It will end in only one of two ways. The American people are subjected to the same type of rule and control that the rest of the world is, OR, we take back our right to control the government. Both ends will likely require the use of force. We KNOW the government will use force. Are the People willing to fight for their freedom? We shall see.

Please don't tell me what I understand or don't understand. I just see it differently. I understand what I see. That is all that counts since I am me and not you.

 

[RLENT]

Read this carefully, THIS IS WHY THEY WON

g,

This is acutely perceptive observation. Outstanding

Despite the tendency of some to ..... merrily stroll along, all while whistling past the graveyard .... in thinking that this is a war that can be "won" .... the fact remains:

The only way to "win" this war is to not fight it.

It is not the type of "war" that can be won otherwise.

That doesn't mean that one ignores those insane individuals who are actively seeking, and in fact, actually acting to perpetrate violence against our nation and it's citizens.

For those that are apparently utterly clueless: It does mean refraining from widespread, global military action, which ends up carelessly and mistakenly targeting or harming non-combatants wholesale .... and thereby creating whole new legions of enemies ....

As a matter of good strategy and tactics, one does NOT enlist themselves in the service of the very enemy which one is trying to defeat, by happily becoming their de facto recruitment tool.

What those who suffer from an apparently insatiable bloodlust fail utterly to see, is what they have already lost ..... and what they stand to lose in the not-too-distant future ....

 

[mcavoy33]

Read this carefully, THIS IS WHY THEY WON

But they are. Once you admit that it is not a big deal, they have gained what they wanted you to do - adjust your life around the security that is supposedly needed to "protect" the country and everyone in it.

I think you are blinded by your need to be right that you missed the point of my post and Layout's I believe.

I don't think anyone with half a brain would deny that the terrorists were successful in achieving changes to our government.

But what I was referring to is my personal attitude and the way I conduct my life. I can't control what the government doesrealistically speaking but I can control my life and my perception.

I choose to live life to the fullest, thesame way I did before 911. You know what else, I alsocan choosewho I surround myself with and I choose myfriends to be people who enjoy life and take the same positive attitude as Layout.

At the end of the day, it's your friends and family that are most important in life, I'll take a friend like Layout, who'll chose to spend his time doing the things that matter in life everyday of the week over someone who whines & complains that the government is taking their liberties because the terrorist won.

I'm not going to let them change my attitude & outlook. They already won enough, why give them more?

 

[greg334]

I think you are blinded by your need to be right that you missed the point of my post and Layout's I believe.

I don't think anyone with half a brain would deny that the terrorists were successful in achieving changes to our government. ...

Nope not blinded at all, not looking to be right because I think that we are pretty much speaking about the same thing but not at the same point of view.

The one problem is that the government is out of control and that is our fualt as much as it is our problem. We pick on Obama in this case but tend to forget our past and what we should be doing beyond 9/11.

So the other thing is that most of the country can't get past this need to have a war on terror, even intelligent people in the media and in popular culture miss the fact that we can't really win any war like that because the people who re fighting against us are nameless people who you can't identify.

Of course our intel organizations are doing a fantastic job by tracking down leads but you have to ask yourself is it that we are so stupid to believe that the people who want to harm us are going to talk about this to others or plan something with a paper trail that can be traced?

I can't bring myself to thinking that the terrorist are stupid as much as I understand why most here in our country believe that they are goat herders in the desert.

As I said to Layout, to win you must wipe out a whole religion and their followers. That is true on so many levels because it is not we are fighting a group of people who happen to be Muslim but we are viewing the religion as one of violence and domination while our actions are one of conquest.

See for the stuff after that quote, I agree with you and it is what everyone else in this country should have but don't. It isn't about you but about them and their need to feel safe at any expense.

No matter what you think of me, it seems I'm speaking closer to the truth than most of you with your kneejerk right leaning reactions to something our president says or does.

 

[clcooper]

the EVIL side is winning . weather it is the Government or the Terrorist . . 1 or 2 people out of 1 million is good odds . mind control is the main thing they are winning . and it can be seen in EO . that their mind control is working .