Nitrogen

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Well, I did it. I decided to put nitrogen in all my tires. I went yesterday and had Crossfire gauges installed and then had nitrogen put in. While they were working on the truck I talked with the tech about how good the nitrogen REALLY works, not what the sales types say. He claimed that it works better than they say it does. He told me a story about 2 fleets that thier shop has tire accounts with. They always had lots of blow outs in the summer. They switched to nitrogen and now the only blow outs are due to tire defects. It is expensive to do, $10 per tire, but, if it works as advertised it will pay for itself over the life of the tire. I will keep everyone posted over the next several months on how well it performs. Layoutshooter
 

Turtle

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In the past I've generally had to replace 80,000 mile tires somewhere around the 70,000 mile mark, give or take. I've got 80,000 miles tires on this Sprinter, and I've now got 116,386 on them, and they are juuust now getting to the 4/32 tread mark. I'll easily get 120,000 miles out of these. That's 50% more treadwear. I blame nitrogen.

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

TeamCaffee

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layoutshooter where did you have this done? We keep asking at places we stop and no one is doing it yet. We are hoping when we are in Saint Louis for some home time we can get this done. It will be well worth the effort and expense from all we have heard.
 

layoutshooter

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I got it done at Bell Tire on Dix road near Detroit. They handle large truck tires. The Bell Tire in Allen Park MI will be able to soon. How are you guys doin?
 

ihamner

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Please do keep us informed about this. It is something we have been reading about and talking about but, like you, we just don't know who to believe about it. Give us a report every couple of months and also let us know if it makes any difference in your fuel use.


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Turtle

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OK, the cost of replacing the air in your tires with nitrogen is so small that it's nearly not even worth mentioning. It's certainly not a large enough sum as to make a significant impact on the decision.

The air we breathe, and the air currently in your tires, is already nearly 80% nitrogen. The remaining 20% is mostly oxygen.

It's not like you're replacing the air in your tires with tomato soup or something equally silly and equally so radically different. You're replacing it with what is mostly already in there to begin with.

Removing the oxygen and replacing it with nitrogen will eliminate the oxidation of the rims where the rubber seals are formed with the tire, it eliminates the oxygen breaking down the rubber (elastomer) molecule backbones within the tire and therefor significantly reduces the chances of separation and blowout. Manufacturers put antioxidents inside the rubber formulations when building the tires to help protect against the attack from the oxygen, but these break down and literally wash away rather quickly, usually within a few tens of thousands of miles. It's simply better to not have the oxygen and the water inside the tires in the first place.

The larger size of the nitrogen molecule will permeate through the sidewalls of the tire at a much slower rate and will result in the tire staying inflated at a constant pressure for longer periods. Under-inflated tires result in more rolling resistance, more friction, and therefor more heat is built up in the tire. More than 90% of all blowouts are due to under-inflated tires. Couple of pounds under-inflated, on a hot day, with a heavy load, there ya go.

Nitrogen, being a lower atomic number than oxygen, even with its large molecular size, is lighter than oxygen and does not expand and contract as much as oxygen does over the operating temperature range of tires. Oxygen (and the associated water and water vapor contained within it) can expand and contract during normal driving to the point that the tires are rarely at the properly inflated level, and when the tires are at high temperatures and thus higher pressures, the oxygen molecules permeate through the tire sidewalls at even greater rates, so that when you stop and the tires cool down, they will need to be reinflated after nearly every trip of any significant distance.

Nitrogen, on the other hand, retains a relatively flat and even pressure within the tire at operating temperature that range from being parked in sub-freezing temperatures all the way up to skillet temps of the Arizona asphalt at 3:15PM on August 17th. Plus, with no oxygen and water/water vapor in the tires, there's no water to freeze when parked at those sub-zero temps, allowing the tire to roll freely upon initial movement, which reduces or eliminated the stress on the inner tire walls that can cause premature cracks and failures.

Sooooo, because the tires stay inflated at the same pressure during a much wider range of temperatures, as well as nitrogen running cooler and being able to dissipate heat more rapidly than oxygen, your tires are nearly always at the optimal pressure, which means less rolling resistance which yields less tread wear, better handling, better braking, and better fuel mileage. And it rides smoother.

Unless, you have some particular reason for actually wanting that 20% of oxygen and its associated water inside your tires, this is not a major decision that requires months of thought and reams of research, particularly in light of the minimal cost. Just do it.

The longer you wait before doing it, the harder you'll have to kick yourself for not doing it sooner. You'll get 20-25% more miles on your tires (I have 50% more miles on mine, which effectively reduces the cost of my tires by 33.3%, no small sum at $200 per tire), and you'll see anywhere from 2-5% increase in fuel economy, with the most often reported number being 3.3%.

Even if it's only a mere 2% increase in fuel economy and there are no other benefits whatsoever, what's 2% more MPG worth to you?

What are you waiting for?

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I will keep everyone informed on how things perform. Turtle, all the reasons you set forth are the reasons I changed. I am a little slow to do things that I have never done. I like to research it as do many others. I have been burned by new ideas that promised results that they never did. I doubt that will happen with this. No reason it should. How often do you check your tire pressure? I can watch the crossfires to get a rough idea but I know nothing beats a gauge. I don't want to check it so often that I bleed off the gas but I also don't want to not check it enough. Layoutshooter
 

davekc

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Finding the places seem to be the biggest hurdle with regards to truck tires. I believe I am going to take a truck or two and see how this does. The early comments sound pretty encouraging.










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LDB

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>What are you waiting for?
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Opportunity. I will be doing this as soon as I get the chance to. I was near a place in Michigan that does it but was dispatched before I could go in. Belle Tire is the name of the chain around Detroit doing it. It's crazy not to do it.

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Turtle

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I used to check my tires at least once a week, and with regular air I, of course, had to add a pound or two pretty regularly. No doubt a lot of that was due to the air escaping during the pressure checks.

When I went with nitrogen, I began checking them once a month. I have found that I lose about 1 PSI every 3 months, or roughly every 20,000 miles, which is just about the time I have the tires rotated. Basically, at this point I can just eyeball it and if the tires look a little low I'll check it. It's one one those little nagging worries in the back of my mind that I no longer have to deal with. It just works out that by the time I'm a pound low it's time to rotate them, anyway.

All of us at home, including my brother's big truck, use nitrogen. 5 cars, 2 pickups and a 1964 Ford farm tractor all have nitrogen in the tires. And we all see about the same results, in that the tires will lose 1 pound every 3 months, about 2 pounds every 6 months. With regular air, it was 2-4 pounds per month.


I did find a nitrogen locator that lists places where truck tires can be filled with nitrogen. I'm sure there are many more out there than on the list, but it's a good place to start. Click the link in the lower right.

http://www.getnitrogen.org/fleet_trucks/#

There's also a savings calculator that will open many eyes. One thing, it asks for the cost to replace a tire. That's for one tire. Adjust that cost for multiple tires for a more accurate result.

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Yes Leo, Belle Tire does nitrogen, they do it at most of thier Ohio stores as well. Not all of the Belle Tire places can handle big truck tires. That won't affect you at all. I had mine done at Belle Tire on Dix near Detroit.

Thanks for the info Turtle, I will keep an eye on things. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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WEll, I will sell anything I believe in. We shall see about this as time passes. But I am not a lady, woman, female of any type. I am a 56 year old Italian/Polish fat ugly guy. HEHEHE Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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No Greg, you are not and I bet I work much harder at it than you do!!! I have taken it to a form of art. Layoutshootr
 

raynchk

Seasoned Expediter
I put nitrogen in my tires at National Tire and Battery (NTB). Searching on google, I was able to find several places that do nitrogen, Costco being the most prolific. I've had pretty good luck with it, hard to get the tires equally inflated, according to the sensors on my sprinter and now I guess I've got to get back to the NTB store in Atlanta to top them off.
 

davekc

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This was probably one of my biggest concerns with larger truck tires. If the pressure has to be occasionally adjusted, how much fuel and time goes into running around to accomplish this?
There are many more places for car or light truck tires, but it seems pretty slim on the larger ones.







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