New truck trends?

jmcglone

Seasoned Expediter
Hi, all--

I'm beginning work on a piece for EO about what trends readers are seeing in new trucks--whether they're stock equipment or things that folks are adding to their expedite vehicles. So, what's becoming popular lately that you wouldn't expect? What's popular and sensible, to your way of thinking? What do you think is coming next in trucks?

As always, there's a chance I'll quote you, and I'll cite and link to your post accordingly.

Thanks a bunch for your help--I really appreciate it!

Jason
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Jason,
Not to be a smarta** but "What do you think is coming next in trucks?" seems to be a good opener for this - more restrictions in the cab.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
Since we have International Navistar here in Fort Wayne, In for the time being untill they pack up and move to Lisle, IL
I have seen them testing a cab over tractor, I have seen it all over town. Are cabovers coming back? Who knows.
I've seen all kinds of trucks being tested around here.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
Jason,
Not to be a smarta** but "What do you think is coming next in trucks?" seems to be a good opener for this - more restrictions in the cab.

I have to agree with Greg. EOBR's are our new big brother.
The only thing I have seen in the new trucks is higher price, less performance and the need to buy blue def to keep the emission levels where the government requires them to be.
I think the sales of rolling chassis will increase. Buy a new truck with no motor and put your old one in it. Or get a motor from the junkyard or buy a rebuilt motor. At least until they work out the bugs on the new ones.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
The only thing I have seen in the new trucks is higher price, less performance and the need to buy blue def to keep the emission levels where the government requires them to be.
I think the sales of rolling chassis will increase. Buy a new truck with no motor and put your old one in it. Or get a motor from the junkyard or buy a rebuilt motor. At least until they work out the bugs on the new ones.

This is kinda what is happening already, the truck I just got is a 2011 but has a 2009(new) engine in it. This allowed my truck to be cheaper and not have to meet the new 2011 standards.
I guess the laws allow this.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Most of what i've watched over the years for equipment meant to be an income for it's owner became a cash drain for the owner because of all the unrealistic percieved needs of said owner because of unrealistic amenities. I'd jes stand by my $3000 dollah 1992 Farmall.

An keep on truck'in
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
It's called a glider kit and I am feeling that this may not be around too much longer.

absolutely correct .
i own and drive one .
it is the best truck i ever owned , but when i will be ready to extend my fleet next year ,ther's no way i will take the chance on a new one . probably invest more into Expedite .
at this time the Gliders are legals at least till 2014 .with some luck they will posh it farther .at any case ,by that time ,this glider would have paid for itself a few times over . heck ,the truck is making it's own truck payments just by fuel saving alone .

as to the OP , i think we going to see more innovative regional -low emissions trucks ,
cab design will allow every chimp to hold the wheel ,and electronics will place Obama's in the jump seat.
i also expect trucks finance to be Gov. backed ,just like the good o'l stimulants ,so they can control us .
new trucks are going to be way heavier .
i also think that we will give away the air controls to electronics/electric .
APU's will not last the 1st half of the century.
good night.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The only thing I have seen in the new trucks is higher price, less performance and the need to buy blue def to keep the emission levels where the government requires them to be.

That's right. When it comes to new trucks, the new trend is higher prices with no benefits added unless you count the government mandated emissions add-ons as a benefit. Fuel economy improvements are claimed by the manufacturers but I don't know if they are enough to offset the higher costs.

I just spoke to an expediter truck dealer today. He has taken a loss on the few remaining expediter trucks he had sitting on his lot as he cleared out old inventory. He did not clear it to make room for new. He cleared it because the clock was working against him as the trucks aged.

There is no new expediter truck trend to talk about that I know of because few if any brand new expediter trucks are being sold. If there is a trend at all, it is that people are hanging onto their trucks longer. Dealers are reluctant to build new-truck inventories. Aftermarket sleeper companies are going bankrupt or dormant because of a lack of sales.

New truck sales for 2010 are up significantly from 2009 levels but 2009 was a very slow year. Truckload carriers are making money this year and spending some of it on trucks, not to expand their fleets but to replace aging equipment. These buyers run stock equipment so the only new trends you might see there would be those you see coming out of the factory.

There have been ongoing trends to use technology to boost fuel economy and to monitor and control driver behavior. Those are ongoing trends, not new.

A releatively new development is hybrid trucks but those are not showing up in the expediter market, and may never. There is a cosmetic trend that sources from the drive toward fuel economy. That is all new trucks are beginning to look alike. The laws of aerodynamics see to that.
 
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Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
i feel the same way, not many new trends in sleepers. i do however agree, that if i were to build a new truck, it would be a glider kit. i have no plans to do this, but a second option is to simply rebuild the one you own.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
It's called a glider kit and I am feeling that this may not be around too much longer.

If this truck was a glider kit,it would have to be sold as such.You can buy a new truck with a motor from a later year,as my freightliner is a 2004 with a pre 2003 motor.If a motor is built before the emissions rules change,that motor can still be used,providing that truck is built before the law changes.
Greg,glider kits will never end because of accidents.Oh another thing,there are left over trucks that carry the new year title,not often,but has happened.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Whats not known,you can buy whats called a rolling glider.tHis type of glider kit,can be bought with a reman motor,transmission and rear ends.iIt will have all the suspemsion parts as a brand new truck.And yes,the cost will much cheaper than a regular truck.Of course when you go to resell or trade it,it won't bring as much money.
About a reman part rather than rebuilt,most reman parts are just over production new parts,if the part is rebuilt,they only fix the broken part that caused what ever to fail,being a motor,transmission,or even alternator.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
i feel the same way, not many new trends in sleepers. i do however agree, that if i were to build a new truck, it would be a glider kit. i have no plans to do this, but a second option is to simply rebuild the one you own.

Even in rebuilding a truck you own, the options are limited by EPA and CARB rules.

These rules have proven to be a moving target as they are announced, changed and changed again. I am not up to speed on the current set and therefore cannot discuss specifics. Our truck is years away from falling under the rules (at least as they stand today) so I have not tracked the specifics.

But to cite an example, we once looked at replacing our existing reefer engine with a new one that complied with the CARB rules then in effect. While the original engine ran like a top (and still does) and there was no good reason to replace it beyond the CARB rules, grant money was available to help pay for the change so we considered it. We ended up rejecting the grant money that was awarded but that is another story.

In that process, I was shocked to learn that we could not sell the old, perfectly-good engine to some reefer owner somewhere who might love to have it to replace a blown engine of his or her own. Now days, when you replace a reefer engine, you must destroy the old engine by drilling holes through it.

Financial value that might have been retained in the old engine was wiped away with a stroke of the rule maker's pen and we are poorer for it. That kind of loss must be accounted for in your business, Those kinds of costs must be factored into decisions to buy a new truck or rebuild an old one.

If and when the time comes when we need to replace or rebuild our truck, it is not likely that we will be able to do so under the emissions rules that were in effect in 2006 when we bought the truck. Expensive emission control add-ons will likely be required if we rebuild our truck engine years from now. It is a planning challenge and source of frustration that we do not know today what the rules will be a few years from now when the replace/rebuild decision must be made.

It is not a truck trend but a regulatory trend that rules are being made and retroactively applied. We see this in CSA 2010. We have seen it with our reefer. We have seen it with our truck.

The effect of retroactive emissions rules is to shorten the useful life of our truck and reefer and to significantly increase the expense of any rebuild we may do in the years ahead.

These are costs that must be passed on to our customers if we are to remain profitable, and thus in the business. I believe we will be able to do so because the higher cost of new trucks will force carriers industry-wide to pass their higher costs on to their customers. This will be a trend that we can ride.

Jason, as you work on your new truck trends piece, note that the new truck trends that can be identified are not being driven by market forces and consumer demand. They are being driven by the government's idea of what trucks should be and how drivers should be permitted to live and behave on the road.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Phil,
There are a lot of issues with carb but in no way does rebuilding your own engine have limitations as of yet and I am thinking it won't for a while, maybe 2021.

A reefer engine is a whole different issue, there are specifics why a reefer engine was not allowed to be used in California past a specific date, one is they are stationary engine, not an on road engine and the other is they are actually dirty when running at high speed and little load - according to CARB.

I would think that why there are still sales of glider kits in California is there are relaxed rules about older trucks, there is still the use of older engines still in use with on-road trucks. I also think you read my post.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
I'm one that would like to have the older(proven)engine technology. I don't want to have the newest system out there.

Anyone here run a DPF straight truck with over 300K on it?
I'm just curious how they do with more miles on them.
My loaner had 30K on it and never needed to be regenerated, but I do some highway driving. I wonder how these systems will hold up with some miles on the engine.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
dakota you like older trucks a 1985 hino with 8 tract player

I drove a 76 Honda Civic CVCC in the 90's and it had an 8 track
I borrowed my Grandmother's country 8 tracks and Englebert Humperdink <spelling LOL
I actually prefer older cars, maybe that's why I own a '68 VW squareback, a 69 VW beetle, and 70 VW Beetle(Wife's car) and my newer car a 2005 Scion xA
Only the Scion is driveable, 69 is getting engine rebuilt, should be done soon, 70 needs tailights fixed but runs great and squareback is a project car:eek:
 
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