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LOL, Better watch out with that one Lawrence!!! I suggest wearing rear view mirrors on you hat so you can watch your back!! You know how it is. If you even SUGGEST that Obama might be other than GOD himself, let alone be scared by him, will cause many to come after you!!!! DUCK FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!! Just humor everyone, don't come after me too!!! Layoutshooter
Well, there may be a bit of a silver lining going on here. Just read that our "our" black leaders have stated there is "no reason to force obama to pick people that look like him for impotant positions". Seems he won't be required to employ folks that can't git r done. They say he should only assemble a staff "that looks like America". Kinda refreshing after the last few have had to sacrafice some of our well being by being forced to scrape the barrel for the right faces.
I hope this helps Lawrence.
I hope this helps Lawrence.
I think if you will look at past posts on the Soapbox forum, you will see alot of anger and hate. The majority of these posts are not from Obama supporters.
Lawrence, I am sure that you can not be any more scared of Obama than I have been for the last 8 years under the current administration.
Like him or hate him, he is the President Elect. I think grownups will treat the man with the respect that he and the office deserve.
Bob Worthington
Lawrence, I am sure that you can not be any more scared of Obama than I have been for the last 8 years under the current administration.
Like him or hate him, he is the President Elect. I think grownups will treat the man with the respect that he and the office deserve.
Bob Worthington
TJ959
Veteran Expediter
Obama scares the living daylights out of me but he is the president elect so I will support him until he actually does something that is detrimental for the country. Which brings me back to the scaring the daylights out of me part. It's sorta like going to the amusement park. Once you are on the rollercoaster you are stuck until it stops.
By the way, since when has anyone treated the president (past or Present) with respect. Especially the press. Becoming president of this country is sorta like putting on a giant "KICK ME" sign.
By the way, since when has anyone treated the president (past or Present) with respect. Especially the press. Becoming president of this country is sorta like putting on a giant "KICK ME" sign.
MMMM Kick Me signs. Kinda fits the level of bozos we have been getting in that office of late. Not the brightest bulbs in the box to say the least. We now have MR. 95%. Sure can throw that number about. Mental light weight. Layoutshooter
The anger and hate is spawned from the fear. The only thing to fear is fear itself. Someone said it. The fear of the unknown is what gets them, but it is an irrational fear, because they are afraid of something they don't even know. Instead of moving back a little towards the rational, instead of stopping to take a breath and thinking about what their fear is, they attempt to justify their fears by conjuring up all manner of wild and woolly things, the worse possible, because if it's not really, really bad, they can't justify the fear.
So, they sit around and stoke the fear, the fear of what could happen, the fear of what might happen, when they should be sitting around and trying to figure out how to deal with it if and when it does.
"Obama scares me! He's gonna do this and this and THIS!!! And when he does, then THAT, and THAT and THAT is gonna happen! And it'll be really, really bad, these things! I'm telling ya! It's gonna be bad! And we're all gonna die! OMG!!!"
Well, you don't know. It's unknown. Oh, sure, you try to base your fears on some little snippet of time, some out of context historical sound byte, and try to pound that square peg of history into the round hole of today while trying to predict tomorrow. See, I told you! It's bad! You don't know. But, what if you do? What good with the fear do?
Fearing it won't make it go away, it just leaves you unprepared when it happens. And if you're prepared for it, then why are you afraid in the first place? Duh. If you're afraid, then you're admitting that you are unprepared, and have no idea who to become prepared.
Fear of the unknown serves no purpose. It is what it is, and it's gonna happen, or not, whether you're afraid of it, or not. Conquer your fear, deal with it head on, prepare yourself. Or at least quit whining about it all, 'cause there's nothing you can do about it. All you can do is get prepared in the unlikely event that all of your worst fears come to light. And if you're prepared, whatcha whining for?
Obama doesn't scare me at all. Not even a little bit.
So, they sit around and stoke the fear, the fear of what could happen, the fear of what might happen, when they should be sitting around and trying to figure out how to deal with it if and when it does.
"Obama scares me! He's gonna do this and this and THIS!!! And when he does, then THAT, and THAT and THAT is gonna happen! And it'll be really, really bad, these things! I'm telling ya! It's gonna be bad! And we're all gonna die! OMG!!!"
Well, you don't know. It's unknown. Oh, sure, you try to base your fears on some little snippet of time, some out of context historical sound byte, and try to pound that square peg of history into the round hole of today while trying to predict tomorrow. See, I told you! It's bad! You don't know. But, what if you do? What good with the fear do?
Fearing it won't make it go away, it just leaves you unprepared when it happens. And if you're prepared for it, then why are you afraid in the first place? Duh. If you're afraid, then you're admitting that you are unprepared, and have no idea who to become prepared.
Fear of the unknown serves no purpose. It is what it is, and it's gonna happen, or not, whether you're afraid of it, or not. Conquer your fear, deal with it head on, prepare yourself. Or at least quit whining about it all, 'cause there's nothing you can do about it. All you can do is get prepared in the unlikely event that all of your worst fears come to light. And if you're prepared, whatcha whining for?
Obama doesn't scare me at all. Not even a little bit.
pelicn
Veteran Expediter
In my case, I guess "fear" isn't the right word. I don't hate the man, I'm not angry with him either. I do question some of the things he's said. In my mind, he hasn't answered those questions for me. Do I think the sky will fall on his watch? Of course not. Will I prepare for some lean times? Of course I will.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Sorry Turtle, but that's gibberish. Fear is a survival instinct. When someone feels threatened, fear is the natural response. In this case, many believe the liberty they've known is threatened. If you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, would you just say, "Cheerio! Nothing to fear but fear itself!"? We may not die by Obama's hand, but you definitely can't say fear of his proposed policies is unjustified.
We face a depression that the rest of the world is preparing for by lowering taxes. The legacy of Obama and the Democrats (the new rock group in town) is to raise taxes on those who create jobs, and generally ridicule and frown upon those who don't support "the party". What is that going to mean for us? Are we going to continue to be purposely weakened economically and militarily so we're on par with the rest of the world? I think those questions are meant to raise fear. I think a leader like Obama, along with those who control Congress, have the ability to turn what may be a minor recession into a major depression, just as FDR did. No wonder he won. Conservatives can't compete with someone who is dangling bread in front of the hungry. Those who have no money don't care about unemployment or the economy, or who caused it; they only care where their next meal is coming from... even if the guy who is feeding them is the one who caused their hunger.
We face a depression that the rest of the world is preparing for by lowering taxes. The legacy of Obama and the Democrats (the new rock group in town) is to raise taxes on those who create jobs, and generally ridicule and frown upon those who don't support "the party". What is that going to mean for us? Are we going to continue to be purposely weakened economically and militarily so we're on par with the rest of the world? I think those questions are meant to raise fear. I think a leader like Obama, along with those who control Congress, have the ability to turn what may be a minor recession into a major depression, just as FDR did. No wonder he won. Conservatives can't compete with someone who is dangling bread in front of the hungry. Those who have no money don't care about unemployment or the economy, or who caused it; they only care where their next meal is coming from... even if the guy who is feeding them is the one who caused their hunger.
Yes, fear is a survival instinct. Fight or flight. But it's usually a fear to fight or flight from something specific, not something imagined. A nervous animal may jump at a sudden noise without knowing what the noise is, but the noise itself is very real, not imagined. You don't see deer suddenly jumping up and running away because there might maybe possibly could be a hunter nearby next Thursday in this very spot merely because there was one right here when deer ol' grandma was a doe.
What are you afraid of? Certainly nothing specific. You are afraid that Obama will create the worse possible scenario. OK, now what are you gonna do about it? You gonna stay afraid, or are you gonna prepare for the worst? The other option, crazy as it may seem, is to wait and see what he does when he's in office, see how he handles things, see what kinds of decisions he makes, see which direction he goes on some issues.
You've taken the gibberish I wrote and illustrated nearly all if it in this post. Historical square pegs into modern day round holes. You compare the Obama and Congress of today with the FDR and Congress of yesterday, and jump to the conclusion that these are not different times and that the circumstances are the same. They're not. The world at large is very different, as is our place in it. Just because there are similarities does not mean they are the same, nor is the outcome even close to certain. The "Jew in Nazi Germany" is a particularly glaring example of how fear can make one take a bad historical correlation and apply it out of context in a different time. The Jews had real reason to be afraid. The danger was not imagined, if was staring them in the face. With Obama, it is all still an unknown. People think they know, people say they know, but they don't know.
Yes, Obama may be the kind of leader who ruins us all. He also may very well be the kind of leader, along with those who control Congress, who has the ability to overcome all of this in grand fashion. Since we really have no idea what kind of leader he will be, it's a little silly to speculate out of fear, or hope, either way.
But not to put too fine a point on it, the only history of Obama's leadership we can draw on, thus far, is the way he ran his campaign, how me managed to stay focused, how me managed to crush the Clinton Machine to get there, how he managed to raise an unprecedented amount of campaign financing, and how he managed to rally enough votes to get him elected. That doesn't sound like an inept leader who would lead the country into ruin.
You can vote very radically in the State Legislature, and in Congress, as Obama certainly did, but unless you set out from the beginning to fail, you cannot govern from the radical perspective. Obama knows that, and if he ever forgets it, he'll have Rahm Emmanuel to keep him centered, because both Emmanuel and Obama know fully well that the country is still right of center on most social issues (the black and Latino breakdown votet in California on Prop 8 just screams volumnes), and Emmanual knows all too well that if Obama gets too far to the left it won't be good for the country, and absolutely bad for the Democratic Party. Choosing Emmanuel for Chief of Staff let those in Congress who would try to do so, that they cannot get wild and crazy with their legislation merely because there's a Democrat in the Big Chair. It's nearly a lock (my opinion, take it for what it's worth) that he'll choose Republican Richard Lugar as Secretary of State, and for very good reasons. Among many, it's to let the radical liberals of the world know the same thing.
Watch him with a critical eye, but don't watch him through cracked lenses, cause you can't see clearly through those. He hasn't even taken the oath of office and you have him utterly destroying the country. Yet as president-elect he's already made some very smart and prudent decisions. I'm willing to let him actually get in office before I pass judgment on what he might or might not do, however. But, hey, if you feel better living in fear of the unknown, more power to ya. That way you can get a clear jump on becoming one of those people, excuse me, victims, who get to blame somebody else for everything that's wrong with their lives. (OK, that was a joke. But it was to make a point. Think about it. It's not that far off. If you're not careful you could end up the flip side of that mentality and become <gasp> disenfranchised).
I sure will be glad when January 20th comes, though. That way I'll have someone to blame for this slowdown in expedited freight, as well as for it not picking back up quickly enough.
What are you afraid of? Certainly nothing specific. You are afraid that Obama will create the worse possible scenario. OK, now what are you gonna do about it? You gonna stay afraid, or are you gonna prepare for the worst? The other option, crazy as it may seem, is to wait and see what he does when he's in office, see how he handles things, see what kinds of decisions he makes, see which direction he goes on some issues.
You've taken the gibberish I wrote and illustrated nearly all if it in this post. Historical square pegs into modern day round holes. You compare the Obama and Congress of today with the FDR and Congress of yesterday, and jump to the conclusion that these are not different times and that the circumstances are the same. They're not. The world at large is very different, as is our place in it. Just because there are similarities does not mean they are the same, nor is the outcome even close to certain. The "Jew in Nazi Germany" is a particularly glaring example of how fear can make one take a bad historical correlation and apply it out of context in a different time. The Jews had real reason to be afraid. The danger was not imagined, if was staring them in the face. With Obama, it is all still an unknown. People think they know, people say they know, but they don't know.
Yes, Obama may be the kind of leader who ruins us all. He also may very well be the kind of leader, along with those who control Congress, who has the ability to overcome all of this in grand fashion. Since we really have no idea what kind of leader he will be, it's a little silly to speculate out of fear, or hope, either way.
But not to put too fine a point on it, the only history of Obama's leadership we can draw on, thus far, is the way he ran his campaign, how me managed to stay focused, how me managed to crush the Clinton Machine to get there, how he managed to raise an unprecedented amount of campaign financing, and how he managed to rally enough votes to get him elected. That doesn't sound like an inept leader who would lead the country into ruin.
You can vote very radically in the State Legislature, and in Congress, as Obama certainly did, but unless you set out from the beginning to fail, you cannot govern from the radical perspective. Obama knows that, and if he ever forgets it, he'll have Rahm Emmanuel to keep him centered, because both Emmanuel and Obama know fully well that the country is still right of center on most social issues (the black and Latino breakdown votet in California on Prop 8 just screams volumnes), and Emmanual knows all too well that if Obama gets too far to the left it won't be good for the country, and absolutely bad for the Democratic Party. Choosing Emmanuel for Chief of Staff let those in Congress who would try to do so, that they cannot get wild and crazy with their legislation merely because there's a Democrat in the Big Chair. It's nearly a lock (my opinion, take it for what it's worth) that he'll choose Republican Richard Lugar as Secretary of State, and for very good reasons. Among many, it's to let the radical liberals of the world know the same thing.
Watch him with a critical eye, but don't watch him through cracked lenses, cause you can't see clearly through those. He hasn't even taken the oath of office and you have him utterly destroying the country. Yet as president-elect he's already made some very smart and prudent decisions. I'm willing to let him actually get in office before I pass judgment on what he might or might not do, however. But, hey, if you feel better living in fear of the unknown, more power to ya. That way you can get a clear jump on becoming one of those people, excuse me, victims, who get to blame somebody else for everything that's wrong with their lives. (OK, that was a joke. But it was to make a point. Think about it. It's not that far off. If you're not careful you could end up the flip side of that mentality and become <gasp> disenfranchised).
I sure will be glad when January 20th comes, though. That way I'll have someone to blame for this slowdown in expedited freight, as well as for it not picking back up quickly enough.
My fears of the upcoming Obama regien are not based on historical snippets or sound bites. They are based on years of study of history. They are based on living 5 years in a socialist country that had what Obama wants. Nationalised health, major industries, utilities etc. I lived in England. I have seen the results. I can promise you that there will be NO open debate on these issues. You will NOT hear about rationing of health care. Lack of acceses to the more modern meds. Little health care for older/retired people. (too expensive to treat non-productive people) I see a return to a "Clintion" style defense department. A model that directly lead to the intell failures prior to 9/11. I know the results of the so-called "cut-and-run" plan. Carter was a master of it, cutting funds and support to key middle east allies which allowed the current mess we are in to fester then become the norm. The un-willingness to deal with Iran since Carter. The democrats prolonged the "Cold War" by at LEAST 15 years with flawed defense policies that are already being bantered about. Nothing will be done to stop Russia/Iran/China just as nothing was done by Truman in the early post-WW2 world. That lact of action cost the lives of tens of millions. Turtle I know that you and many do not agree with anything I see. Oh well, we just see things from different angles. I did not learn my history from public schools or from any school for the most part. I learned my histroy by reading original documents. I learned by living and working in that arena for years. By interviewing people who escaped from Eastern Europe. By seeing the scars they had from treatment in the Gulags. I worked with several of them. My fears are based on seeing patterns developing that I seen and was forced to work with for years. Those policies failed last time and will fail again. History repeats because it is never taught. It repeats because, for the most part, most people just don't want to know. It is not pretty. Few want to really look at it, so it will be allowed to happen again. Layoutshooter
Yeah, I get it, but it's all still based on what you think Obama will actually do. You don't know what he might do, or might be able to do, regardless of the patterns. 2009 America is a far different place than was pre-war Germany, or any other place in Europe, for that matter.
In any case, since you seem to have the crystal ball du jour, I highly encourage you to educate and inform the president-elect and his staff to all of these things they are about to accomplish.
In any case, since you seem to have the crystal ball du jour, I highly encourage you to educate and inform the president-elect and his staff to all of these things they are about to accomplish.
No need to make fun of me Turtle. You have your ideas I have mine. This is STILL a free sociaity, at least for now. It would do Obama well to sit down with people with my experiance. Carter ignored what he was told and we now still live with the results. Reagan did not listen as much as he should have. Bush one really screwed up and Clinton, whew, what a nut. I see only Clinton era re-treads being put into important positions. No change as promised. I am not going to argue with you or anyone for that matter. I said my piece. I pray that I am wrong. Once this starts there will be no stopping it, not without a lot of killing. You and others had better hope, pray or whatever you believe in that I am wrong. I can rest easy. I did my part. No attacks on my homeland took place while I was on watch. I put out what I think, you have been made aware of my thoughts. If it happens, don't blame me. If it don't I will thank you for being right. There is only ONE thing that I DON"T EVER want to hear and that is that my thoughts and perspective are racially motivated. I assure you they are not. They are soley based on Obama's idea's. They are based on his total lack of backround and experiance and seeing who he is appointing for key positions. Have fun. Layoutshooter
Black Sheep
Expert Expediter
My fears are those of the KNOWN; and here's what we know:
He's said he will raise taxes on business and the "rich" to "spread the wealth around".
He's said he will drastically reduce military spending and otherwise reduce our military capabilities.
He's said he wants a "civilian security force" that's equal to our military.
He's said he wants a national health care plan.
He'll probably be working with a filibuster-proof Democrat controlled congress whose leadership is just as liberal as Obama. I won't even get into the judicial appointments he'll make and the effect that will have on our society and our way of life. Any thinking conservative who is not concerned about where this guy will take us should take a refresher course in the Jimmy Carter presidency. I don't think we want to go there again.
He's said he will raise taxes on business and the "rich" to "spread the wealth around".
He's said he will drastically reduce military spending and otherwise reduce our military capabilities.
He's said he wants a "civilian security force" that's equal to our military.
He's said he wants a national health care plan.
He'll probably be working with a filibuster-proof Democrat controlled congress whose leadership is just as liberal as Obama. I won't even get into the judicial appointments he'll make and the effect that will have on our society and our way of life. Any thinking conservative who is not concerned about where this guy will take us should take a refresher course in the Jimmy Carter presidency. I don't think we want to go there again.
Black Sheep,
I hve followed both candidates for a long time. Obama never said any of those things.
Road Hooligan
I hve followed both candidates for a long time. Obama never said any of those things.
Road Hooligan
Correction
He does want a national health care plan. Most Americans would like to be able to see a doctor without going broke.
You rich guys will still be able to see your own doctors
Road Hooligan
He does want a national health care plan. Most Americans would like to be able to see a doctor without going broke.
You rich guys will still be able to see your own doctors
Road Hooligan
Layout, please make no mistake, I am not making fun of you at all. Sometimes my lame attempt at humor gets the best of me and doesn't translate well. I'm dead serious about your communicating your thoughts to Obama. If you recognize the patterns, one would think that those in Washington would, too, but if you are so certain that things will turn out as you believe, then it's not a bad idea at all to communicate them to someone in the White House.
Another Black Sheep correction: the Dems don't have the required 60 seats to thwart a filibuster.
Another Black Sheep correction: the Dems don't have the required 60 seats to thwart a filibuster.
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Thanks Turtle, I was hoping you were not trying to make fun. I really feel what I see. No use me passing anything onto this White House. The same exact people who Obama is appointing now did not listen to us when they were with Clinton and the "Towers" fell. The democrats don't believe anything that does not fit thier socialist views. Sorry if I seem pesimistic but that is how I feel. I have little to look forward too. I pray I am wrong and ,if not, I pray I don't live a long as my family tends too. I don't want to be here if it happens.
Layoutshooter
Layoutshooter
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
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