New Ford Diesels

arkjarhead · Jul 18, 2008

If you are thinking about getting a Ford Cargo Van I would seriously go with a gasser. this week working in the service department at a car dealership I've seen more Ford vans and trucks with the diesel engines come in than anything else. This is at a dealership that sales and services Ford,Chrysler, and Toyota. One had an injector literally explode. The tech pulled it out in pieces. Just thought I'd offer up some insight. The service manager and techs said the Ford diesels aren't worth a wooden nickel. So it's not just my opinion.

Jack_Berry · Jul 18, 2008

guessing that injector was from a 6.0? the new engine is a 6.4.

arkjarhead · Jul 18, 2008

It was an 08 model with less than 10k miles on it.

BillChaffey · Jul 19, 2008

I have a 1999 F 250 with 283,000 miles and a 2002 E 350 Cargo Van with 221,000 and NEVER had a problem with either one. The E 350 get 23 MPG @ 62 MPH and the F 250 gets 18 MPG out here in the country.

Shah786 · Jul 19, 2008

arkjarhead said:
It was an 08 model with less than 10k miles on it.

Newer models use low sulpher diesel only if you use any thing other then that you will have a problem with it.iam assuming most people are still pumping cheaper diesel (ha ha ha thats a joke no such thing as cheap diesel any more but i mean cheaper then lowsulpher diesel).with my 2008 freighliner i cant use any thing other then low sulphur fuel or i will run into problems with it.

piper1 · Jul 19, 2008

Ford (International really) got a few more things right with the 6.4 vs. the 6.0 but the new 6.4 is still not a terribly reliable engine and it is very expensive to fix out of warranty. BTW using low sulfur instead of ultra low sulfur will not hurt the injectors it hurts the DPF and will cause your oil to deplete faster.

moose · Jul 19, 2008

I have an 04 super-duty (for sell) 6.0 at home
210K .
had an EGR valve go bad on me .
rather then that never had any problems with the power-plant.
cannot match the cummins/Dodge for fuel millage.
as its only gets 11 mpg loaded
and 16 mpg empty .

Moose.

MSinger · Jul 20, 2008

If it was a 2008 E-Series van it was a 6.0L. If it was a 2008 F-Series truck it was a 6.4L.
The 6.4L won't fit in an E-Series so they are using their left over 6.0's in the vans. So I would stick with a gasser.

arkjarhead · Jul 20, 2008

It was the 6.4 that the injector exploded on. Then we've also had quite a few E series vans in with several problems. I was just throwing the info out there in case someone was shopping. A salesman will tell you what you want to hear, but when a service manager says you are going to have problems it's something I would trust.

MSinger · Jul 20, 2008

Good point. Thanks for the "insider" information!!!

Jack_Berry · Jul 20, 2008

moose said:
I have an 04 super-duty (for sell) 6.0 at home
210K .
had an EGR valve go bad on me .
rather then that never had any problems with the power-plant.
cannot match the cummins/Dodge for fuel millage.
as its only gets 11 mpg loaded
and 16 mpg empty .

Moose.

what speed is it driven?

Dreamer · Jul 24, 2008

In my opinion, they should have kept the Powerstroke. We regularly towed 10k grain and anhydrous trailors out of muddy fields with a F350 4x4 , and had 2 E350 box vans with that engine. Reliable Beasts! But Hey, you know the modern automaker credo. . . . "If it ain't broke, fix it anyway! give those $60 an hr techs more biz! " LOL.

highway star · Jul 24, 2008

I heard that part of the problem was that Ford pressured IH to rush the new engines into production. That sure doesn't make sense when you have something as popular as the 7.3 doing a great job. Mine is still going strong and it looks like it will outlive the body of the van.

Jack_Berry · Jul 24, 2008

met a fella teaming in an f350 7.3 with his son. 800k and still real nice he says.

moose · Jul 24, 2008

Jack_Berry said:
what speed is it driven?

60 Loaded
68 M.t

Moose.

Crazynuff · Jul 24, 2008

highway star said:
I heard that part of the problem was that Ford pressured IH to rush the new engines into production. That sure doesn't make sense when you have something as popular as the 7.3 doing a great job. Mine is still going strong and it looks like it will outlive the body of the van.

I heard Ford modified the software to match the power of Cummins and Duramax . The engine wasn't designed to produce that much hp . International versions were only 270 hp .

moose · Jul 24, 2008

Crazynuff said:
I heard Ford modified the software to match the power of Cummins and Duramax . The engine wasn't designed to produce that much hp . International versions were only 270 hp .

actually the Engine is designed for match more power !
I have installed an Edge programmer on the power-stroke , so i can save fuel when loaded .
it worked well , as the truck is up to gross at 26,000 pounds ,
another 20 Hp can keep the Tranny from dropping a gear.
the Edge will get you the option of up to 100 more Hp !
and it will not void any warranty !!!
click on the link below to learn more :

Edge Products Juice w/ Attitude Monitor - EP10104

i only wish this line of product will be available one day for a large trucks ,
imagine choosing the engine output as you get loaded ,
and feeding less horses when Empty .
big fuel saver !

Moose.

Jack_Berry · Jul 25, 2008

moose said:
60 Loaded
68 M.t

Moose.

oh i bet its got the particulate filter and other pollution crap on it right?

moose · Jul 25, 2008

Jack_Berry said:
oh i bet its got the particulate filter and other pollution crap on it right?

NO !

got all the junk out as i bought the truck,
K&N Intake , and a 4" stainless steal Exhausts system all the way from the turbo ...
have bought it all on the internet for about 1,600 $ , and installed it myself ,
probably got 1.5 to 2 MPG more out of the Engine.
good investment in today Diesel prices ,
again , hopping to see some of those products make it to the trucking industry .

you will not believe the limitations ford put inside the intake manifold , the Engine have no chance of 'bereaving' well ...

Moose.