New Fines Under the New HOS Rules

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
In its information about the Hours of Service rules that went into effect on July 1, the FMCSA states:

"Companies and drivers that commit egregious violations of the rule could face the maximum penalties for each offense. Trucking companies and passenger carriers that allow drivers to exceed driving limits by more than three hours could be fined $11,000 per offense, and the drivers themselves could face civil penalties of up to $2,750 for each offense."

As I read this, a driver who does not know about or forgets to log a 30 minute break within the first eight hours of on-duty time and works for 11 hours (on-duty or driving) has committed an egregious violation.

In a hypothetical team-driven truck, in which the team is unaware of the new rules or forgetful in logging the way the new rules want (even if they took the 30 minute breaks), and that the scale cop stops and discovers the paperwork violations, the fines could be up to $22,000 to the motor carrier and $2,750 each to the drivers.

Another "egregious violation" may occur if a driver miscalculates the 168 hours, or perhaps getting mixed up by time zones, improperly logs the time he or she came off a restart and went back to work. Yes, such errors should not occur, but fines of up to $2,700 to the driver and $11,000 to the carrier for each occurance? What's up with that? These are administrative errors, not "egregious violations."

That is the potential. My question is, have any Open Forum readers heard of any such fines being assessed? Have any readers heard of any fines of any amount being assessed under the new rules?

On a related topic, in what way are these fines proportionate to the offense? Up to $2,750 to a driver and $11,000 to a carrier because a driver makes adminsitrative errors? What are they, ordinary folks who made administrative errors, or enemies of the state?
 
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noneya

Active Expediter
In its information about the Hours of Service rules that went into effect on July 1, the FMCSA states:

"Companies and drivers that commit egregious violations of the rule could face the maximum penalties for each offense. Trucking companies and passenger carriers that allow drivers to exceed driving limits by more than three hours could be fined $11,000 per offense, and the drivers themselves could face civil penalties of up to $2,750 for each offense."

As I read this, a driver who does not know about or forgets to log a 30 minute break within the first eight hours of on-duty time and works for 11 hours (on-duty or driving) has committed an egregious violation.

In a hypothetical team-driven truck, in which the team is unaware of the new rules or forgetful in logging the way the new rules want (even if they took the 30 minute breaks), and that the scale cop stops and discovers the paperwork violations, the fines could be up to $22,000 to the motor carrier and $2,750 each to the drivers.

Another "egregious violation" may occur if a driver miscalculates the 168 hours, or perhaps getting mixed up by time zones, improperly logs the time he or she came off a restart and went back to work. Yes, such errors should not occur, but fines of up to $2,700 to the driver and $11,000 to the carrier for each occurance? What's up with that? These are administrative errors, not "egregious violations."

That is the potential. My question is, have any Open Forum readers heard of any such fines being assessed? Have any readers heard of any fines of any amount being assessed under the new rules?

On a related topic, in what way are these fines proportionate to the offense? Up to $2,750 to a driver and $11,000 to a carrier because a driver makes adminsitrative errors? What are they, ordinary folks who made administrative errors, or enemies of the state?

I'm lost with the team aspect of it. So does this mean that both team drivers have to take the 30 min break at the same time or can one team member take the break while the other one drives for 30 mins? I'm asking because it wouldn't make sense to fine both drivers if the one who is driving is the only one in violation.

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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I'm lost with the team aspect of it. So does this mean that both team drivers have to take the 30 min break at the same time or can one team member take the break while the other one drives for 30 mins? I'm asking because it wouldn't make sense to fine both drivers if the one who is driving is the only one in violation.

In normal circumstances, team members would take their 30 minute breaks at different times since their on-duty and driving shifts would be opposite each other's. Each team member would take the 30 minute break during hs or her work hours, at which time the other team member would be in the sleeper or off duty.

What I presented above was the scenario in which each team member made a logging error a day or two before, and those were the errors that the scale cop picked up during the same inspection.
 
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noneya

Active Expediter
In normal circumstances, team members would take their 30 minute breaks at different times since their on-duty and driving shifts would be opposite each other's. Each team member would take the 30 minute break during hos or her work hours.

What I presented above was the scenario in which each team member made a logging error a day or two before, and those were the errors that the scale cop picked up during the same inspection.

Ok, I missunderstood what you were typing, I thought you saying that both drivers will be fined for one's screw up. Thanks for clearing that up.

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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Haven't heard or read any fines in those numbers as of yet. Then again, I guess we can say we are employees of the IRS and are exempt from any fines. :rolleyes:
 

Doggie Daddy

Veteran Expediter
Seems like that $2700- $2750 threshhold for driver fines is what the feds are stuck on,isn't it $2700 for getting caught using a non hands free cell phone?

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