Nemo

[TeamCaffee]

If you have XM right now on 171 is Nemo talking about CSA 2010 and how this IS going to affect you as a driver and as a O/O.

Knowledge of CSA 2010 will only benefit you as this is starting to be implemented.

 

[greg334]

Thanks.

How many carriers are requiring their contractors to go through CSA 2010 training to fully understand the impact it has?

 

[Slo-Ride]

For those of that dont have the fancy radio,,here is some reading to get ya started.

CSA 2010 - Solutions and Information from J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc.

Regulations Search Results - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration





Some of the links on that keller site may want personel info tho
before ya can read some stuff..

 

[TeamCaffee]

As business owners it is in our best interest to learn all we can about CSA 2010 and not depend on our carrier to inform us.

CSA 2010 is going to affect all of us as drivers and can end our businesses if we do not pay attention. It would be a benefit if the carrier would put out information on this but as a business owners we need to keep ourselves informed.

 

[greg334]

As business owners it's all a given and common sense to do. As a driver, it is needed to know where the abuse can happen - like lights and logs. The great thing is van drivers seem to be included.

Reality is that the CSA 2010 doesn't do a thing for the bad driver or bad owner to actually address bad behavior until they get caught.

One carrier out in EO land requires training for CSA 2010 and it is a good idea, it removes the dependence of radio shows (mis-information) and web sites (hard to understand or comprehend).

The larger the fleet, the larger the problem and more the need to have training.

I want to know if companies will now tighten up their requirements of screening drivers to mitigate the risk under the CSA 2010 with poor drivers?

 

[fastrod]

The great thing is van drivers seem to be included.

Ya might wanna check that JJ Keller site Greg. Under the FAQ drivers section it states that vans 10,000 lb. and under and there drivers are exempt if they dont have a cdl or haul hazmat. Not enough vans out there to worry about anyway.

 

[greg334]

Ya might wanna check that JJ Keller site Greg. Under the FAQ drivers section it states that vans 10,000 lb. and under and there drivers are exempt if they dont have a cdl or haul hazmat. Not enough vans out there to worry about anyway.

Yea I read it but ... let's look at it;

FAQ # 1

Q: Which carriers are affected by CSA 2010?
A: Any interstate carrier that has a US DOT number is covered by the CSA 2010 program, no matter what "type" of carrier they are (for-hire, private, flatbed, van, utility, construction, etc.), what size carrier they are, or what type of vehicles they operate (CDL required versus non-CDL required vehicles).

So this goes back to the fact that every carrier is covered IF they have the DOT number, right?



FAQ # 2

Q: Is there a minimum size of company that will be included in the CSA 2010 program?
A: Any interstate carrier that has a US DOT number, no matter what size, will be included in the program.

Again with the DOT number, what's with this DOT number??



FAQ # 3

Q: Does the driver component of CSA 2010 only apply to drivers with a CDL license?
A: No. Any driver operating a commercial vehicle is subject to the CSA 2010 program. A "commercial vehicle" according to the FMCSA is a vehicle used in commerce with a gross weight or a gross weight rating of more than 10,000, either single or in combination, a passenger vehicle that seats more than 8, and any vehicle transporting a placarable amount of a hazardous material (see §390.5 for a complete definition).

Yep there it is but ...


So how does this jive with the fact that the company will be covered but the driver won't be?


I think it will mean that the company will end up treating the driver the same regardless what they are driving, van straight truck or tractor and that will have to be done to maintain some sanity within the company for their policies when audits happen.



So here is what I was told;



It won't matter if the driver is driving an under 10k or not, the state DOT still can fine a driver for being overweight, equipment failure and a number of other things which are not exempt. Like the idea that the FMCSA defines the vehicle as 10k or above, the company still is at risk by the fact that they are still responsible for that vehicle and the violation will count against the company regardless what the vehicle is. Vans do get put out of service, right?

 

[jrcarroll]

Ya might wanna check that JJ Keller site Greg. Under the FAQ drivers section it states that vans 10,000 lb. and under and there drivers are exempt if they dont have a cdl or haul hazmat. Not enough vans out there to worry about anyway.

help. where does it say that vans and/or drivers with cdl W hazwopper?????
I've been trying to keep up to date on this, not only for me but for the other drivers who work with me.
Thanks

 

[greg334]

Read FAQ #3 in my post - that is the only definition that is being made - that useless commercial vehicle clause.

 

[jrcarroll]

Whew!
non commercial plates on 3/4 ton chevy van.
Yes I have kept my CDL from the FedExCC days.
we do not haul hazmat. (can't haul in the van without a sealed wall between drivers area and cargo anyways.
no signs on van.
May well be under the radar with this in my van.


Thanks

 

[Slo-Ride]

We kinda had a Plimarly meeting on CSA 2010 today,,not a full blown class if ya asked a few Qs it was a good place to lean a bit..The post below is from what they pased out today..
Ya gotta keep in Mind none of this is a new regulation what so ever,,its a new way of tracking,evaluating,and intervention of a motor carrier.Every accident ,roadside inspection or audit will be entered into a database to create a score for the carrier.This includes driver violations.Driver and Company scoring is predicated on the 7 BASICs criteria
USAFE DRIVING,,,FATIGUED DRIVING,,DRIVER FITNESS,,CONTROLLED Substance & Alcohol,,,VEHICLE MAINTAINCE,,,IMPROPER Loading or LOAD SECURMENT,,,CRASH/Incident Experience......
Scoring is 1 being good,,,100 bad..
If one or more of the basic percentiles exceed a threshold you will became a candidate for intervention..
Starting with warning letter and roadside inspections (TIER 1)
Followed by investigations that includes a notice of violation,,cooperative safety plan,,and on or off-site investigations..(TEIR 2)
Finally,, A fitness determination will be issued,,,similar to old system,,but with new titles..1 continued Operation,,,,2 Marginal,,and 3 UNFIT
If the company continues its downward spiral in BASICs then TIER 3 is initiated..which begins with UNFIT designation and TIER 4 will be SUSPEND OPERATIONS if immediate improvement isn't made..
System is designated so that 30% of all carriers will be deficient due to its peer rating process..Number of audits will increase from 12000 per year to 175,000 interventions annually..