Need some advise and info

tigerragrob

Seasoned Expediter
Ive been an OTR driver since 1992. I would like to try something new and own my own business. I was thinking of buying a cargo van and putting it on with FedEx or Panther. I was wondering what the best way to start and how much $$$ i should expect to make on average? Also how much different is it from the OTR side of the freight business? Thanks for everyones help on this matter in advance....
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
As far as I know, Fedex is not signing on any new cargo vans. I think that may be true for others as well, although you would have to check each company individually.
 

babs3361

Expert Expediter
If you are planning on using this as you sole income you may want to rethink things thru. If this is a supplimental income and you want to see the sights you will be ok. While it looks good on paper with what a recruiter will tell you in reailty it doesn't always work that way. There is always the exception but most van drivers I have talked to that are trying to support a family and household are having a very rough time of it. Then there is the problem of getting signed on with a good company. I like your choices but I don't know If Panther is hiring either. I'm not a van owner either so I can oly go on what I have heard. We do have a very good friend and neighbor that drives a Sprinter van but his wife has a good job to make it work for them. Also telling us where you live may help with answers to your question. How long to you want to be away from home. What are your expectations? Telling this may help answer excatly what you are looking for. On weather you can do this or not.
 

tigerragrob

Seasoned Expediter
Talked to a panther recruiter and he said i would only make around $25k per year after expenses. He said i should do a straight truck, a 24ft. The thing about the van is i wont have a $2400 truck payment to make. Also better on fuel and nomore logs, He also said i would do around $75k to the house after expenses with the str8 truck. Any thoughts?
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm skeptical about $75k net, but you will do far better in a straight than in a van. As a current, but soon to former, van O/O, I agree with Babs post. You can get a suitable new truck for less than $2400 a month.

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JohnMueller

Moderator
Staff member
Motor Carrier Executive
Safety & Compliance
Carrier Management
Tiger;

Does that recruiter have a crystal ball to predict what loads you will do?

I think the correct answer should be in the form of a range such as "our straight trucks average....." and then should be justified by "if you do not decline loads" and "if you do not place limitations on what you will do and what you won't do (ie... Canada, East Coast, New York City, home weekends, etc...)".

Just trying to make things realistic - not pie in the sky.

Thanks,
HotFr8Recruiter
 

tigerragrob

Seasoned Expediter
Right now i stay out 6-8 weeks with a OTR company. Im looking to make atleast $1000 per week after expenses would be my hope. Not sure how much vans do. Talked to a fedex guy who made $118k last year in a van. Im sure thats not the norm. The Panther recruiter said i should do $50k but half will go to expenses leaving $25k to take home....
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I can tell you flat out that you will not make $1000 net per week in a van. You might some weeks, but as an average, it'll be more like $600 a week, $700 maybe. It depends on your costs, and how well you control your expenses. Expenses are more than 50%. Honestly, when you figure in insurance, truck wash, van payments, fuel, QC, tolls, maintenance, tires, telephone, the list goes on, you're probably looking at a cost of operation being somewhere in the neighborhood of $.60 per mile.

I'm on with Panther, at %.77 per mile. I pay myself $.32 per loaded mile, plus accessorials like hand unload, border crossing, detention stop off. Everything else goes to the truck, and the truck pays for everything else, like fuel, tolls, insurance, QC, maintenance. Stuff to do with the living side of the van, creature comforts, I pay for those. At the end of a year the truck account has some extra built up in it, and I either take is as extra pay, or I put it into the van.

Plan on driving an additional 30% deadhead over the loaded miles, as a general rule. Those who deadhead home to Michigan for the weekend from Texas will see higher deadhead rates. :)

For some ball park figuring, if I average .15 FSC, added to .77, that's .92 per loaded mile. Total cost of operation of .60, plus my pay at .32 per mile equals, ta da, .92 per mile. But right there, 60 divided by 92 is 65% expenses, 35% net to you.

At 80,000 loaded miles, that's $73,000 gross. At .32 per mile my pay would be $25,600.

If you can average 1500 miles per week over the course of a 52 week year, you're looking at 78,000 loaded miles a year. Last year I had 98,000 loaded miles. Including FSC but not including accessorials, I grossed about $94,000. Expenses were about 60% at $56,000, and my pay at .32 was $31,000, which left a surplus net of $7000 (these are very rounded numbers). Some of that $7000 went to outfitting this new Sprinter, so I didn't take much of it at all for myself (other than the fact that it went mostly for creature comforts). The rest stays in the bank for unplanned emergencies.

My goal is 2500 miles per week over 48 weeks, 120,000 miles per year. It's very difficult to average 2500 miles a week, week in and week out. When I work, I usually get right around that mark, but there are always gonna be slow weeks that cut into it. You can have a week where you can be stuck for a day or two, get a short load, and then be stuck in another bad spot for another day or two. Or you take a day or two off to go home and it turns into a week, or you take a week off and it turns into two. Or you have to take a week off to wait on a repair part. It all adds up.

So realistically, you can't plan on much more than 80,000 miles in a year, and that's if you go out and stay out and run reasonably hard. Figure pay and expenses accordingly, and there ya go. About $25,000 a year to the driver, plus whatever extra chunk you as the owner wants to take out as the truck account builds up its nest egg.

The important thing it to keep your pay and expenses and the truck's pay and expenses separate.
 

tigerragrob

Seasoned Expediter
Thanks for the replies. Ive been in this industry for along time on the OTR side so i know how recruiters are. Im want more freedom than i have now dont want the big truck payment like you have on the OTR side. Opinions from those who have done both are desired.
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
I wish anyone well in a Van and encourage you to ask yourself can I make it on $25K? I know my answer.

For a Straight Truck. Let me put it very simple.

$2,400 payment = Bankruptcy or Volintary Repo, look into the classfieds here there is always one truck on here (TAKE OVER PAYMENTS of $2,400) go ahead call that person and ask him WHY, Who were you with, and for How Long?

In the conversation if they are honest, it should slip out that this was a GIANT mistake one they wish they would have never gotten into. That size of a payment without me doing a spread sheet is sure death to ones financial future.

Teams Husband and Wife will have a much better go at it, but than again for a Newbee I think the odds are more against them than for them.

This business, takes Money to make Money, make no mistake here. Save your dollars and put a more than reasonable down payment, cause the majic # is much much lower than the $2,400 you stated earlier.
 
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