Neanderthals were not ugly because of the cold, new research finds

EnglishLady

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The characteristic broad foreheads and large noses of Neanderthals did not give them any special advantage in the cold arctic conditions of the last ice age, according to new research that has raised new questions about the habitats our prehistoric relatives lived in and why they died out.

Their prominent facial features have caused them to be cast as one of nature's less attractive creatures, but now one of the main scientific explanations for Neanderthals' large noses and jutting foreheads has been disproved.

For more than 150 years scientists have explained the reason for these facial differences to modern humans as an adaptation that allowed Neanderthals to live in the freezing conditions that gripped Europe during the last Ice Age.

They believed prehistoric human relatives had enlarged sinuses which helped to warm the air as it was inhaled.

New research that used three dimensional scans and X-ray images of Neanderthal skulls has revealed that their sinuses were no bigger than modern humans, Homo sapiens, who evolved in more temperate climates, and so played no role in increasing the size of their facial features.

The researchers behind the study claim the findings suggest Neanderthals, which died out around 30,000 years ago after surviving for more than 400,000 years, did not evolve to survive in the harsh frozen tundra of Europe but instead were better suited for living in warmer climates.
 

AMonger

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New research that used three dimensional scans and X-ray images of Neanderthal skulls has revealed that their sinuses were no bigger than modern humans, Homo sapiens, who evolved in more temperate climates, and so played no role in increasing the size of their facial features.

This is crap. Neanderthals were homo sapiens, contrary to conventional wisdom.
 

EnglishLady

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This is crap. Neanderthals were homo sapiens, contrary to conventional wisdom.



Not so my friend ...

Neanderthals evolved from early Homo along a path similar to Homo sapiens, both deriving from a chimp-like ancestor between five and 10 million years ago. Like H. sapiens, Neanderthals are related to Australopithecus, Homo habilis, and Homo ergaster; the exact descent remains uncertain.

The last common ancestor between anatomically modern Homo sapiens and Neanderthals appears to be Homo rhodesiensis

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The Middle Paleolithic ends with the gradual disappearance of the Neanderthal and the ascendancy of Homo sapiens sapiens, about 40,000-45,000 years ago

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In 1999, the skeleton of a child was unearthed in Lapido, Portugal. Dated to around 25,000 years ago, the remains show a mixture of Neanderthal and modern features, suggesting it may be a hybrid. But small fragments of Neanderthal DNA extracted from three different specimens show that they were not closely related to any present day human populations
 
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layoutshooter

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Neanderthals and homo sapiens were around at the same time. There is some evidence that there could have been cross breeding. There is also evidence against it. I doubt if we will every prove it either way. At any rate, it does not really matter. Things are as they are.
 

roadeyes

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Expediting........so easy a caveman could do it!:p
 

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aristotle

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Neanderthals had a very good run. 400,00 years. Can homo sapiens match such a record? If some think the Earth is overpopulated now, where will future resources come from as population growth explodes and life expectancies increase? Can Planet Earth sustain 12 billion, or 20 billion humans? Even now, maybe half the world's people go hungry. Even if basic human needs can be met, given our sorry record of harming ourselves through war and exploitation, it's not easy to be optimistic about homo sapiens long term prospects. I imagine Neanderthals lasted so long because change took tens of thousands of years. The Earth would hardly take note of our absence.
 

Turtle

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You know how when food is plentiful that rats and mice reproduce at astounding rates? And how when the food supply dwindles the rat and mice populations dwindle to match?

There ya go.
 

skyraider

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The characteristic broad foreheads and large noses of Neanderthals did not give them any special advantage in the cold arctic conditions of the last ice age, according to new research that has raised new questions about the habitats our prehistoric relatives lived in and why they died out.

Their prominent facial features have caused them to be cast as one of nature's less attractive creatures, but now one of the main scientific explanations for Neanderthals' large noses and jutting foreheads has been disproved.

For more than 150 years scientists have explained the reason for these facial differences to modern humans as an adaptation that allowed Neanderthals to live in the freezing conditions that gripped Europe during the last Ice Age.

They believed prehistoric human relatives had enlarged sinuses which helped to warm the air as it was inhaled.

New research that used three dimensional scans and X-ray images of Neanderthal skulls has revealed that their sinuses were no bigger than modern humans, Homo sapiens, who evolved in more temperate climates, and so played no role in increasing the size of their facial features.

The researchers behind the study claim the findings suggest Neanderthals, which died out around 30,000 years ago after surviving for more than 400,000 years, did not evolve to survive in the harsh frozen tundra of Europe but instead were better suited for living in warmer climates.

I think the Nthals are still with us,,they are driving straight trucks,,I could be wrong,,IMHO:D
 

AMonger

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Not so my friend ...

Neanderthals evolved from early Homo along a path similar to Homo sapiens, both deriving from a chimp-like ancestor between five and 10 million years ago. Like H. sapiens, Neanderthals are related to Australopithecus, Homo habilis, and Homo ergaster; the exact descent remains uncertain.

The last common ancestor between anatomically modern Homo sapiens and Neanderthals appears to be Homo rhodesiensis
Homo sapiens have no ancestors. Many of the "homos" believed to have existed or taught to have existed have been shown to be outright frauds. God created humans, neanderthals among them.
 

EnglishLady

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Fossil find puts 'Lucy' story on firm footing

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New fossil evidence seems to confirm that a key ancestor of ours could walk upright consistently - one of the major advances in human evolution.

The evidence comes in the form of a 3.2 million-year-old bone that was found at Hadar, Ethiopia.

Its shape indicates the diminutive, human-like species Australopithecus afarensis had arches in its feet.

Arched feet, the discovery team tells the journal Science, are critical for walking the way modern humans do.

"[The bone] gives a glimpse of foot anatomy and function," explained William Kimbel, director of the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University, US.

"It is the fourth metatarsal bone, which resides on the outside of the middle part of your foot, and which helps support the well-developed arches of the foot that we see in the soles of modern human feet.

"The bone that was recovered from the Hadar site has all the hallmarks of the form and function of the modern human foot," he told the BBC.

Arch types

Palaeo-scientists knew A. afarensis spent some of its time standing tall; that much has been clear since 1974 when they first examined a skeleton of the species, famously dubbed "Lucy", also found near the village of Hadar in the Ethiopian rift valley

But the absence of important foot bones in all of the specimens uncovered to date has made it difficult for researchers to understand precisely how much time Lucy and her kin spent on their feet, as opposed to moving through the branches of trees.

Human feet are very different from those of other primates. They have two arches, longitudinal and transverse.

These arches comprise the mid-foot bones, and are supported by muscles in the soles of the feet.

This construction enables the feet to perform two critical functions in walking. One is to act as a rigid lever that can propel the body forwards; the other is to act as a shock absorber as the feet touch the ground at the end of a stride.

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AMonger

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Give it a few months. Let peer review work. I've seen many announcements like this over the years. They all turn up to be not what they were advertised.
 
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