My children come home crying

[paullud]

Well isn't religions stance ..the earth is only 6,000 + - years old

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I already said that I think things are wrong on both sides and I am far from the only one thinking that. It could be anything like an incorrect translation, a "typo" when it was written, or any other number of possibilities.

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[paullud]

I "acted like". Huh?

Here's what I said to explain the science and church post



I was making a "what if the shoe was on the other foot?" argument. Somehow you missed that and instead would rather tell me I "acted like" something or other.

Here's an idea. Instead of putting me down, how about expressing your views on, I dunno, religion?

I didn't put you down, I stated that your statement was ignorant based on the post. I guess I wasn't the only one that interpreted the post that way either because you didn't phrase it in a clear way and used a comparison that made no sense. In fact it was stated so poorly that you needed to explain it in a second post. Here's an idea, use the quote option if you are trying to respond to what someone said and you can even edit the quoted text if you are trying to refer to a small part of someone's post. That way your thoughts might be a little more clear to others. I have expressed my views on religion in this post and in others.


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[davekc]

Turtle wrote

If I haven't learned anything in my time on this planet, I've learned that at a time when prayer was prevalent in schools across the nation's communities, crime was a low levels and respect for elders and others were high, and since prayer has been removed from schools the opposite has happened on all counts.

That pretty much sums up this whole thread. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with religion.
Same thing when you get to Christmas.
A nameless group makes it their personal journey to worry about whether someone says "Merry Christmas" because they might get offended.
All I have to say is "get a life". Why someone worries about that is just amazing?

 

[WanderngFool]

Turtle wrote


That pretty much sums up this whole thread. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with religion.
Same thing when you get to Christmas.
A nameless group makes it their personal journey to worry about whether someone says "Merry Christmas" because they might get offended.
All I have to say is "get a life". Why someone worries about that is just amazing?

I'll have you know that Fox News cares. Every year around this time they start carrying on about how someone can't celebrate Christmas the way they "should". They had the sound off in the restaurant I was in this morning but from what I could tell by the subtitles they were teeing off on someone.

So who's the attractive blonde weekend mornings? Has anyone noticed the guns on her? I've seen male weightlifters with smaller arms.

 

[roadeyes]

I only know 2 things about religion.

1) it is famous for turning unanswerable questions into unquestionable answers.

2) more blood has been shed throughout the course of history and more wrongs have been done to people in the name of religion ( of all faiths) than for any other reason.


The whole problem with religions of any faith is the simple fact that any other point of view is unacceptable. For any acceptance of other people's religious views is akin to admitting the possibility that they themselves maybe wrong.

 

[davekc]

I'll have you know that Fox News cares. Every year around this time they start carrying on about how someone can't celebrate Christmas the way they "should". They had the sound off in the restaurant I was in this morning but from what I could tell by the subtitles they were teeing off on someone.

So who's the attractive blonde weekend mornings? Has anyone noticed the guns on her? I've seen weightlifters with smaller arms.

Not sure who their morning person is on weekends but if people want to celebrate regardless of whether it is their religion or not, let them. We are doing way too much to not hurt anyone's feeling because they might feel offended.

 

[WanderngFool]

Not sure who their morning person is on weekends but if people want to celebrate regardless of whether it is their religion or not, let them. We are doing way too much to not hurt anyone's feeling because they might feel offended.

Yeah I wasn't disagreeing with Fox on this one, just commenting on how predictable they've become. They move from outrage to outrage and people tune in and get outraged. They're successful so obviously the formula works.

 

[davekc]

Yeah I wasn't disagreeing with Fox on this one, just commenting on how predictable they've become. They move from outrage to outrage and people tune in and get outraged. They're successful so obviously the formula works.

I agree. It is all about the ratings, and they are pretty good at it.

 

[cheri1122]

If I haven't learned anything in my time on this planet, I've learned that at a time when prayer was prevalent in schools across the nation's communities, crime was a low levels and respect for elders and others were high, and since prayer has been removed from schools the opposite has happened on all counts.

There have been far too many cultural, societal, and legal changes to claim any correlation between school prayer and positive or negative behaviors.
If I hadn't learned anything in my time on this planet, I might see a cause & effect relationship where my bias directs me to look.
After all, mimeographs also no longer exist in schools, maybe the [intoxicating!] fumes made kids behave better.

PS This happened in Canada? I missed that, somehow, or I wouldn't have commented, because I don't know much about the legalities there.

 

[LDB]

If I haven't learned anything in my time on this planet, I've learned that at a time when prayer was prevalent in schools across the nation's communities, crime was a low levels and respect for elders and others were high, and since prayer has been removed from schools the opposite has happened on all counts.

Absolutely correct.

There have been far too many cultural, societal, and legal changes to claim any correlation between school prayer and positive or negative behaviors.
If I hadn't learned anything in my time on this planet, I might see a cause & effect relationship where my bias directs me to look.
After all, mimeographs also no longer exist in schools, maybe the [intoxicating!] fumes made kids behave better.

Absolutely the incorrect answer the left is programming into as many people as possible.

 

[cheri1122]

The mimeograph ink was my own original thinking!

Here's a list of books banned from schools, and the reasons. [I particularly love the banning of 'Moby Dick' in Texas, because it "conflicts with community values" - maybe someone from Texas could enlighten us....]

Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood" [nonfiction] was banned, you'll notice, after one parent complained. Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" [also nonfiction] was banned with zero parental complaints - the school district officials thought it "might be controversial".
I read both books, and thought Capote's a bit sensationalistic, but Brown's is a book high school students ought to read, IMO.

Banned Books That Shaped America | Banned Books Week

 

[Ragman]

Here's a list of books banned from schools, and the reasons. Banned Books That Shaped America | Banned Books Week

Amazing, just amazing! All are considered classics.

 

[LDB]

There are too many books banned for too flimsy reasons, often due to the unreasonable few and at times I'm sure even the unreasonable one. We've become a nation that kowtows to the unreasonable few.

 

[Ragman]

We've become a nation that kowtows to the unreasonable few.

On both sides. IMHO

 

[paullud]

There have been far too many cultural, societal, and legal changes to claim any correlation between school prayer and positive or negative behaviors.
If I hadn't learned anything in my time on this planet, I might see a cause & effect relationship where my bias directs me to look.
After all, mimeographs also no longer exist in schools, maybe the [intoxicating!] fumes made kids behave better.

PS This happened in Canada? I missed that, somehow, or I wouldn't have commented, because I don't know much about the legalities there.

There is a very reasonable and easily made correlation between the troubles in society today and removing something that taught kids morals, being humble, giving, family values, respecting parents, and self responsibility.

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[moose]

Explain please

no sir, i will not. not on an open forum.
unlike most, am not ready to use those words lightly.
if you{or anyone} wish, i can point in the right directions.
sorry.

 

[cheri1122]

There is a very reasonable and easily made correlation between the troubles in society today and removing something that taught kids morals,

That's a parent's job.

being humble,

Not a great score on that front.

giving,

Again: parent's job.

family values,

Whose 'family'? You might have noticed, the phrase doesn't 'resonate' with a lot of people, because a lot of families don't fit with the conservative Christian ideals. Look at Dick Cheney's family: daughter Liz is campaigning in a conservative state, so she publicly disrespects the [gay] marriage of her sister. The same one she expressed best wishes for at the time, right? Now she's throwing Sis under the bus to court favor in the political arena. Nice family values there.

respecting parents,

See the Cheney example. And there's millions more.

and self responsibility.

People don't learn that from prayer, in my experience. I've never prayed in my life, and I've always been responsible for my self, my obligations, my words & deeds. Millions more like me, too.
Also millions of selfish, hypocritical, lazy, cheating, lying, and disreputable self proclaimed Christians around, so let's not give prayer too much credit, because it hasn't done that great a job, IMO.
I appreciate that it gives comfort to some, and that's a good thing - but it doesn't teach anything, nor should it.

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[davekc]

Kinda like the group that is all upset because the word God is in the Pledge of Allegiance. Really?
"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of swine flu and terrorist attacks. Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'
This was lifted from the "Tonight Show". Seems to fit.

 

[paullud]

There is a very reasonable and easily made correlation between the troubles in society today and removing something that taught kids morals,

That's a parent's job.

being humble,

Not a great score on that front.

giving,

Again: parent's job.

family values,

Whose 'family'? You might have noticed, the phrase doesn't 'resonate' with a lot of people, because a lot of families don't fit with the conservative Christian ideals. Look at Dick Cheney's family: daughter Liz is campaigning in a conservative state, so she publicly disrespects the [gay] marriage of her sister. The same one she expressed best wishes for at the time, right? Now she's throwing Sis under the bus to court favor in the political arena. Nice family values there.

respecting parents,

See the Cheney example. And there's millions more.

and self responsibility.

People don't learn that from prayer, in my experience. I've never prayed in my life, and I've always been responsible for my self, my obligations, my words & deeds. Millions more like me, too.
Also millions of selfish, hypocritical, lazy, cheating, lying, and disreputable self proclaimed Christians around, so let's not give prayer too much credit, because it hasn't done that great a job, IMO.
I appreciate that it gives comfort to some, and that's a good thing - but it doesn't teach anything, nor should it.

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Did anyone say that there are no exceptions to the rule? Did anyone say that it would guarantee that no one ever did anything wrong?

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[cheri1122]

What rule?!
Prayer isn't supposed to teach, it's supposed to comfort one who is troubled or communicate positive thoughts to and for one who is suffering in some manner. It does that very well, IMO, but it isn't [and shouldn't be] a substitute [or even an adjunct to] the teaching of values and morals, which is a parent's job.