Mr. Peace prize AGAIN?

layoutshooter

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Yep, Mr. Peace Prize, Bomb them to hell Barry, may be at it AGAIN! Helping the French, of all people, in Mali. WHY? How come the press and the professional protesters are not out in force? How many MORE actions is King Putz the 1st going to involve us in? :mad:







[h=1]France: US helping support Mali operation[/h]
BAMAKO, Mali (AP) — France claimed new successes in its campaign to oust Islamist extremists from northern Mali on Sunday, bombarding the major city of Gao with airstrikes targeting the airport and training camps used by the al-Qaida-linked rebel group controlling the city.


France's foreign minister also said the 3-day-old intervention is gaining international support, with communications and transport help from the United States and backing from Britain, Denmark and other European countries.


The French-led effort to take back Mali's north from the extremists occupying it has included airstrikes by jets and combat helicopters on at least four northern towns, of which Gao is the largest. Some 400 French troops have been deployed to the country in the all-out effort to win back the territory from the well-armed rebels, who seized control of an area larger than France itself following a coup in Mali nine months ago.


"French fighter jets have identified and destroyed this Sunday, Jan. 13, numerous targets in northern Mali near Gao, in particular training camps, infrastructure and logistical depots which served as bases for terrorist groups," the French Defense Ministry said in a statement.


Residents of Gao confirmed that the targets included the city's airport, as well as the building that served as the base for the town's feared Islamist police, which — in their adherence to a strict version of Muslim law — have carried out numerous punishments including amputating limbs of accused thieves.


Gao resident Abderahmane Dicko, a public school teacher, said he and his neighbors heard the jets screaming across the sky between noon and 1 p.m. local time.


"We saw the war planes circling. They were targeting the camps uses by the Islamists. They only hit their bases. They didn't shoot at the population," he said.


But the intervention has come with a human cost in the city of Konna, the first to be bombed on Friday and Saturday. The town's mayor said that at least 10 civilians were killed, including three children who threw themselves into a river and drowned trying to avoid the falling bombs.


French President Francois Hollande authorized the military operation, code-named "Serval" after a sub-Saharan wildcat, after it became clear that the advancing rebels could push past the defenses in the town of Mopti, the first town on the government-controlled side, which has the largest concentration of Malian soldiers.


The decision catapulted the world and Mali's neighbors into a military operation that diplomats had earlier said would not take place until at least September. France's defense minister said they had no choice because of the swift rebel advance.


On Saturday, the body representing nations in West Africa announced that the member states would send hundreds of troops of their own, including at least 500 each from Niger, Burkina Faso and Senegal, as well as from Nigeria.


They will work alongside French special forces, including a contingent that arrived Saturday in Bamako to secure the Malian capital against retaliatory attacks by the al-Qaida-linked groups occupying Mali's northern half.


TV footage showed the French troops walking single-file out of the Bamako airport, weapons strapped to their bodies or held over their shoulders, like skis.


French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the military effort succeeded in blocking the advance that had prompted the intervention. "The Islamist offensive has been stopped," Fabius said on RTL radio Sunday. "Blocking the terrorists ... we've done it."


He sought to stress that the operation is gaining international backing, despite concern about the risks of the mission in a stretch of lawless desert in weakly governed country. "We have the support of the Americans for communications and transport," Fabius said, but gave no details.


U.S. officials have said they had offered to send drones to Mali and were considering a broad range of options for assistance, including information-sharing and possibly allowing limited use of refueling tankers. British Prime Minister David Cameron also agreed to send aircraft to help transport troops. The coward did not have the stones to put on a uniform himself but he has NO problems putting those who do in harms way, FOR NO VALID REASON, other than he likes killing them. :mad: Obama sure sucks!









France: US helping support Mali operation - Yahoo! News
 

OntarioVanMan

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Because the US declared a "War on Terror"..and vowed to weed it out anywhere it appears....

would be my guess....we either fight them over there in Mali or fight them right here at home...
 

layoutshooter

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Obama should change his name to Mr. Murder, with HYPOCRITE for a middle name. He is doing EXACTLY what he campaigned against when he ran.

The ONLY reason I can see this action is that the bunch he is after Mali MUST be a DIFFERENT faction of radical Muslims than he has been helping to install ever since he took office.


Helping the French of top of it? WHY? We should have NEVER helped them, talk about a bunch of ingrates!

Obama sure sucks! :mad: Where are all the street marchers, carrying "Kill Obama" signs and carrying statues of Barry hanging from a noose? Where is the outrage from the press?
 

OntarioVanMan

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Obama should change his name to Mr. Murder, with HYPOCRITE for a middle name. He is doing EXACTLY what he campaigned against when he ran.

The ONLY reason I can see this action is that the bunch he is after Mali MUST be a DIFFERENT faction of radical Muslims than he has been helping to install ever since he took office.


Helping the French of top of it? WHY? We should have NEVER helped them, talk about a bunch of ingrates!

Obama sure sucks! :mad: Where are all the street marchers, carrying "Kill Obama" signs and carrying statues of Barry hanging from a noose? Where is the outrage from the press?

The French.... The same French that helped root the British during the revolution.....
 

layoutshooter

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No, the French we bailed out during two world wars and then have told us to stick it up our nose ever since French.
 

OntarioVanMan

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No, the French we bailed out during two world wars and then have told us to stick it up our nose ever since French.

No ...the US was instrumental of helping all of Europe...not just France...had you not gotten involved you'd have been fighting Germans on US soil
 

layoutshooter

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No ...the US was instrumental of helping all of Europe...not just France...had you not gotten involved you'd have been fighting Germans on US soil

No, I don't think we would have been. I don't think that Germany could have put together a fleet big enough to support an operation like that. There was no friendly island close enough or big enough for them to stage from.

We should have NEVER got involved in WWI. That was a HUGE mistake on our part. I would have not put us in had I been President. I would have let Europe wallow in their swill, they deserved what the got.

WWII was different. Japan and Germany were allies. Had Germany NOT been allied with Japan, and Japan had attacked us, we would not have had any reason to get involved in WWII. That was one of Hitler's bigger mistakes. He made several. Germany and Italy declared war on the US BEFORE we returned the favor. Had they NOT declared war on us we MIGHT have not got involved in Europe. That would had made the war in the Pacific that much easier to win.
 

davekc

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I am not sure we should be involved here either. We have to stop being the worlds police department unless there is a legitimate threat. Not sure that applies here.
 

layoutshooter

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IF we are going to fight "terrorism" then fight it. Take out Russia, China and Iran. FIGHT it like we did Nazi Germany and Japan or don't fight it. IF it is NOT enough of a threat to wage all out war, it is not a threat.

Wasting lives kitty footing around is disgusting.

Either fight for real, or stay home.

Obama ONLY wants to kill our soldiers because he KNOWS that most of them will not stand with him. He KNOWS how to kill those who would oppose him.
 

davekc

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I'm not all Obama but I am not seeing him with a motive to kill people in the military that he controls anyways.
 

layoutshooter

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I'm not all Obama but I am not seeing him with a motive to kill people in the military that he controls anyways.

Study the purges of the Soviet Union, prior to, during and after WWII, then get back to me.

He does NOT control the military and he KNOWS that. He KNOWS that many, like myself when I was in, took that oath for what it said. HE KNOWS that MANY, or even most, WILL oppose his attempts to dismantle the Constitution. The VERY same Constitution they have SWORN to protect and defend. The very Constitution that Obama intends to destroy.

He KNOWS that IF he takes unilateral action, like an executive order to outlaw a class of firearms and/or institute a national firearms registration, that he will put the Nation into a Constitutional Crisis and he KNOWS that the military will not fight for him and most will likely fight AGAINST him. He is THAT evil. ANYTHING he can do to reduce the numbers of those who oppose him is OKEE DOKEE. He studied Stalin well.
 

davekc

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I think you are out in left field on that one. If that is the case, then he would initiate a much larger conflict and it would have been done in Afghanistan rather than pulling troops out.
Just not seeing that one.
 

layoutshooter

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I think you are out in left field on that one. If that is the case, then he would initiate a much larger conflict and it would have been done in Afghanistan rather than pulling troops out.
Just not seeing that one.

Believe what you like. He is pulling out of Afghanistan only to have more troops to put into his African operations. No other reason. Those operations in Africa WILL be his "larger conflict". Give it time. These are not "sound bite" operations. They play out over months and years, as do all. I have seen it all before.

I have been around far too many blocks to trust a lying con man like Barry. I would sooner trust a molting rattlesnake.
 

Turtle

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It's not like the US picked up the phone and went, "Mali? Uhm, sure, OK, I guess."

The US had been armpit deep over there for years (more than four, actually). Many of the problems are originating from US Special Forced trained military in Mali.

Here, read this. It certainly gives a better context than the above article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/w...rike-deep-inside-islamist-held-mali.html?_r=0

French fighter jets struck deep inside Islamist strongholds in northern Mali on Sunday, shoving aside months of international hesitation about storming the region after every other effort by the United States and its allies to thwart the extremists had failed.

For years, the United States tried to stem the spread of Islamic militancy in the region by conducting its most ambitious counterterrorism program ever across these vast, turbulent stretches of the Sahara.

But as insurgents swept through the desert last year, commanders of this nation’s elite army units, the fruit of years of careful American training, defected when they were needed most — taking troops, guns, trucks and their newfound skills to the enemy in the heat of battle, according to senior Malian military officials.

“It was a disaster,” said one of several senior Malian officers to confirm the defections. Ya think? <snort>

Then an American-trained officer overthrew Mali’s elected government, setting the stage for more than half of the country to fall into the hands of Islamic extremists. American spy planes and surveillance drones have tried to make sense of the mess, but American officials and their allies are still scrambling even to get a detailed picture of who they are up against. They're stumped. I'm shocked. <snort>
Now, in the face of longstanding American warnings that a Western assault on the Islamist stronghold could rally jihadists around the world and prompt terrorist attacks as far away as Europe, the French have entered the war themselves.

First, they blunted an Islamist advance, saying the rest of Mali would have fallen into the hands of militants within days. Then on Sunday, French warplanes went on the offensive, going after training camps, depots and other militant positions far inside Islamist-held territory in an effort to uproot the militants, who have formed one of the largest havens for jihadists in the world.

Some Defense Department officials, notably officers at the Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command, have pushed for a lethal campaign to kill senior operatives of two of the extremists groups holding northern Mali, Ansar Dine and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. Killing the leadership, they argued, could lead to an internal collapse. "argued" being a euphemism for "hope."

But with its attention and resources so focused on other conflicts in places like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya, the Obama administration has rejected such strikes in favor of a more cautious, step-back strategy: helping African nations repel and contain the threat on their own.

Over the last four years, the United States has spent between $520 million and $600 million in a sweeping effort to combat Islamist militancy in the region without fighting the kind of wars it has waged in the Middle East. The program stretched from Morocco to Nigeria, and American officials heralded the Malian military as an exemplary partner. American Special Forces trained its troops in marksmanship, border patrol, ambush drills and other counterterrorism skills.
{And what did those millions of dollars get us? Nothing. In fact, worse than nothing. It got us buried deeper into the crap we've been shoveling.}
But all that deliberate planning collapsed swiftly when heavily armed, battle-hardened Islamist fighters returned from combat in Libya. They teamed up with jihadists like Ansar Dine, routed poorly equipped Malian forces and demoralized them so thoroughly that it set off a mutiny against the government in the capital, Bamako.

{In other words, it all backfired. Whoops. }

A confidential internal review completed last July by the Pentagon’s Africa Command concluded that the coup had unfolded too quickly for American commanders or intelligence analysts to detect any clear warning signs.

“The coup in Mali progressed very rapidly and with very little warning,” said Col. Tom Davis, a command spokesman. “The spark that ignited it occurred within their junior military ranks, who ultimately overthrew the government, not at the senior leadership level where warning signs might have been more easily noticed.”

But one Special Operations Forces officer disagreed, saying, “This has been brewing for five years. The analysts got complacent in their assumptions and did not see the big changes and the impacts of them, like the big weaponry coming out of Libya and the different, more Islamic” fighters who came back.

{In other words, the Military and Intelligence communities screwed the pooch again. They're getting very good at screwing pooches.}

The same American-trained units that had been seen as the best hope of repelling such an advance proved, in the end, to be a linchpin in the country’s military defeat. The leaders of these elite units were Tuaregs — the very ethnic nomads who were overrunning northern Mali.

According to one senior officer, the Tuareg commanders of three of the four Malian units fighting in the north at the time defected to the insurrection “at the crucial moment,” taking fighters, weapons and scarce equipment with them. He said they were joined by about 1,600 other defectors from within the Malian Army, crippling the government’s hope of resisting the onslaught.

“The aid of the Americans turned out not to be useful,” said another ranking Malian officer, now engaged in combat. “They made the wrong choice,” he said of relying on commanders from a group that had been conducting a 50-year rebellion against the Malian state.

The virtual collapse of the Malian military, including units trained by United States Special Forces, followed by a coup led by an American-trained officer, Capt. Amadou Sanogo, astounded and embarrassed top American military commanders.

“I was sorely disappointed that a military with whom we had a training relationship participated in the military overthrow of an elected government,” Gen. Carter F. Ham, the head of the Africa Command, said in a speech at Brown University last month . “There is no way to characterize that other than wholly unacceptable.”

{How about "wholly incompetent"? This entire escapade, for more than 5 years, is a Charlie Foxtrot in the extreme.}

American officials defended their training, saying it was never intended to be nearly as comprehensive as what the United States has done in Iraq and Afghanistan. “We trained five units over five years but is that going to make a fully fledged, rock-solid military?” asked an American military official familiar with the region.

After the coup, extremists quickly elbowed out the Tuaregs in northern Mali and enforced a harsh brand of Islam on the populace, cutting off hands, whipping residents and forcing tens of thousands to flee. Western nations then adopted a containment strategy, urging African nations to cordon off the north until they could muster a force to oust the Islamists by the fall, at the earliest. To that end, the Pentagon is providing Mauritania new trucks and Niger two Cessna surveillance aircraft, along with training for both countries.

But even that backup plan failed, as Islamists pushed south toward the capital last week. With thousands of French citizens in Mali, its former colony, France decided it could not wait any longer, striking the militants at the front line and deep within their haven.

Some experts said that the foreign troops might easily retake the large towns in northern Mali, but that Islamist fighters have forced children to fight for them, a deterrent for any invading force, and would likely use bloody insurgency tactics.
“They have been preparing these towns to be a death trap,” said Rudy Atallah, the former director of African counterterrorism policy for the Pentagon. “If an intervention force goes in there, the militants will turn it into an insurgency war.”

{Why does "make no entangling alliances" come to mind? If we hadn't been meddling over there in the first place, none of this would be going on now. Seriously. This is starting to get old.}
 

OntarioVanMan

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As I suspected, another place we don't need to be.

Hey Now.....what happened to the "War on Terror"? you going to let Al Qaeda reorganize and have a base to train, to attack the US again? Who declared the war over? Who won?...
 

Tennesseahawk

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Turtle said: {Why does "make no entangling alliances" come to mind? If we hadn't been meddling over there in the first place, none of this would be going on now. Seriously. This is starting to get old.}

I think this whole war on terror thing is just a preliminary "softening up" for the eventual NWO takeover. It ain't workin, folks. And I think the American people will soon be tired of backing a losing horse.
 

davekc

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It appears the motives in Turtle's article go beyond anything with the "war on terror".
 
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