Moving to China

Vanterprise

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Since everything is Made in China I was thinking to move there!? they might have a lot of business and lot's of loads.In service for the last 4 days ( around Detroit) and I get a 100 mile load , pick up 50 miles away .Maybe its just me ? on a van driver black list?Anyway just having a bad day ....
 
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If you moved to China, I guarantee the first load offer you got would pick up in Detroit.:)
 

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Detroit is hilarious....I was thinking Windsor




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tallcal101

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This is actualy a subject very close to my heart.China has a great need for our service,beleive it or not.
I have spent a great deal of time in China in the last 10 years.As a relocation specialist(my day job)I have moved many corporate clients both to and from China.Since moving,as we know it,is not really done in China,(United,Allied etc)I have had to kind of work together with locals and Hong Kong movers to get things moved within China.
Once I got into Expediting,I took a long look at how all freight is moved around China.
They have great new super highways connecting all Province's(states),but really crappy,old govenment equipment.For an emerging economy,with double digit economic growth each year,their transportation industry is floundering.
My wife is from mainland China,so I have family,and business connections there.I am slowly trying to open doors on a local level to explore the opportnities.
Right now,China is a very exciting place.I will soon own a home there,and plan to spend more time in the future working on my little project.
I would tell anyone interested in having a great adventure to visit China.It's cheap,safe and will blow your mind.The people love Americans,and will welcome you into their homs.Forget he propoganda our government puts out,China is not perfect(are we)but like it or not,they will control the World econmy in a few years.Get to know them,and explore all the opportunities that are there.
 

klippencott

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I understand what you're saying!

Everyone thinks we are loosing our jobs to China and that's true to a point. I have traveled to China on business in the past few years. Things have really improved there in the past 10 years however, I still would not want to live there no matter how cheap the cost of living is.

Now as for taking your truck/van to China, NOT ME! The company I work for in my other job has had 2 truck hijacked in the past year. Both were fully loaded and worth 5 million in US dollars (high-tech components).

The drivers were not hurt but their company is being sued for damages.
 

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Sorry, but nothing beats the good ol USA.
And I do mean.......nothing!


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tallcal101

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As you are all aware,our country long ago sold out to China.As our debt approach's 3 trillion dollars,(mostly financed by the Bank of Asia)the interest from that debt is going directly in the Chinese coughers.I suggest we wake up and smell the rose's.They have already taught their children to speak English.That begain 15 years ago.The young generation not only speak perfect English,they are very well educated.We have sacrificed educating our children in public schools for far more important matters,which I will not go into on this forum.Take a look at your Craftsman tools.Once a proud product made by Americans for the rest of the World to marvel at.
Made in China.
USA had the skill,the man power and the means to lead the World in manufacturing,marketing and transportation.My experience in China was moving US executives for US corporations to China.I don't love China,I respect China.Land in China is worth owning,ask Motorola,they have the largest production plant in the World, turning out 1 million cell phones each day!Those should be American jobs.Those phones should be on our trucks,shipping to the ports in America.
 

Blockade Runner

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The thing about a capitalist economy is that are haves and have nots, tax users and tax payers.Our government was set up so those who would not work would starve to death and they should. But...thanks to big government, liberal thinking, a government school system that failed long ago (thanks teachers unions tenure) and unions that believe everyone should make the same thing as the owners and managers(socialism)or at least have the same things as those that have taken the risk to establish their own company, we are screwed. Look at all the government regulations! There is more than twenty eight pages alone on how to handle cabbage. We buy from China because we cannot make it here as cheap, and we certainly do not want our standard of living to go down by paying higher prices, so off to Big Box Mart we go to support China even more.

Call Dell computer to get technical help and someone in India or Pakistan will answer.

US Govt business plan:
If it moves, tax it
If it moves too much, regulate it
If it stops moving, give it tax money
 

tallcal101

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Blockade runner,I agree with all you have to say with the exception of one thing.Our current mess is hardly th result of libral thinking.The closed door meetings held by Mr. Cheany and the oil fat cats prior to the 04 elections gave them a free pass to screw us all,as we now know.Enron was the single largest contributor to the 04 election.Check your fuel bill and tell me how this is a liberal problem.Mr Delay,Mr.Skilling and Kenny Boy(W's cute name for Enron ex chief)have some explaining to do.The hot seat is now turned on,lets see them roll over on each other.
 

Blockade Runner

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Liberals are not Republican or Democrat, it is a thought process. Our "statesmen" are so far where we should be according to our constitution. This country is not, I repeat not a democracy, no matter what the press says. It is a Constitutional Republic. Always has been and will be until we complete the transfer to socialism. The liberals I am speaking of want big government, an entity that controls everything. We now have the Federal Reserve Bank which is not Federal or a bank. FDR brought us social security which takes 15% of your income away to pay for hand out programs to generations of people who do not work (aka pay taxes)These folks are going to keep voting for the ones giving everything to them. How about LBJ's welfare state? Set up to stop poverty, it has encouraged and grown it ten fold. Government education that is producing a plethora of illiterates that cannot read, write,speak properly or even give change. Try going to a fast food place with a difficult order, you will blow them away every time. Government handouts and programs are not a solution to anything, just ask the indians. 95% of the taxes paid in this country come from less than five percent of the people.
If you want to be spoon fed by the government, take from them all the "bennies" you can or believe in that process, you are a liberal in my thinking.
I still beleive in our constitution (as written, not translated by a nine member supreme court that is waaaaaay out of hand, states rights, the bill of rights,etc.) Our country was founded by real statesmen, not these weinies that just want to be elected and re-elected.


"If a man is not a liberal at twenty, he has no heart
If he still is one at thirty, he has no brain"
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tallcal101

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Once again,I have no quibble with you premise.
But if we decide our vote counts for nothing,and that all promise's are empty,then we have already lost the battle.Keep in mind this"democracy"is an experiment in it's infancy.Two hundred years counts for nothing in the scheme of things.The rest of the World has been working for thousands of years at getting it right.I,for one,feel blessed to have the freedoms we have,and to be able to point the finger at who's calling the shots these 4 or 8 years.There was no shortage of conservatives yelling and scraming and calling for impeachment 5 years ago for a "lie"about a private matter.Eisenhower kept a mistress in Europe while winning WW2.What is the big deal.
There has been a string of lies untruths and misrepesentations coming out of this adminisrtration for 5 years.Who gets the tax breaks these days,not the working man.Where are all these moral highgrounders so concerned with the truth these days?I'll tell you where they are.They are hireing lawyers waiting for Abahmhoff s**t to hit the fan.
I have no problem calling a spade a spade,I consider myself middle of the road,but the politicians these days think a thin majority(the smallest this century)gave them a mandate to spend not on social programs,but on misguided awards to the rich and to make war with no game plan.I'd rather see the money going to education and homelessness if it's just going to be sqanadered and wasted.
 

Blockade Runner

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I am sorry to report, but your tax dollars for education and the homeless are being squandered. Why? Because it was never meant for the government to be involved with those things. The government just got involved because man is basically lazy. The parents (prior to government education) were educating their children themselves or through tutors, from the poorest to the most elite and did a much better job than the government has ever dreamed of. Look at the rise of homeschooling today. Homeschooled kids are winning all of the national spelling, geography and science bees at a cost per pupil much less than what the government can do. The homeless? The local church and private organizations took care of them. But, the government steps in with welfare thus taking the responsibility away from the private sector. Government Welfare has done nothing to help the poor, in fact it has created more poor, homeless people than before it was a program.

Again, I am not talking about those in office now. The problem goes back to the 1860's when the government started growing way beyond what it was designed to be in the first place, and with each war or conflict grows even bigger. It consumes more tax dollars, creating more poor and homeless with each new, unconstitutional program, which creates the need for more programs and tax dollars until everyone will work for the government or will be receiving from them in the way of a grant, subsidy or through welfare. This is called socialism, which our "friends" the Chinese practice.
 

tallcal101

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1)States rights should prempt Washington on matters that are relevant to local governments,such as education,homeless,gun control(like Australia,Sweden,England and other civilized countries,private ownership of firearms is prohibited in China).
Ofcourse,they don't have 10 year olds shooting each other over $10.00 worth of crack.The kids are in school.
Libertarians have many good points,but unfortunatly, our Government has become dependent on the wise men in DC to dispense the green stuff.Such as the Republican Senator from Alaska who needs 400 million to build a bridge to no where.Pork,Pork and more Pork

2)Socialism is dead in China.Dead and buried.Nothing is free,including medical care,housing,food,gas,bus.train.taxi,you name it.Property ownership(private)is now the norm,small business ownership is the fastest growing segmant of the economy and,low and behold,corporate greed is growing to become the biggest problem facing the central government.It comes with capitalism,which is what China is quickly becoming.Human rights is the biggest issue facing China.They have a long way to go.Personal freedom is no longer the issue it was.
Teens have blue hair,hiphuggers and belly button peircings,even in the small towns and villages.The young people idolize American culture.Personal computers,dvd's,and every other western contraption is available.However,drug dealers,child molesters(suspected)or violent criminals don't get much slack.With 1.5 billion people,they don't have much tolorance.
We can decide to keep our heads in the sand about this country,and pretend they will go away,or go broke,or implode.Perhaps a revolution will bring them down.But,the reality,for better or worse,is that we better start to understand them as they have come to study,and understand us.The world is shrinking,and even folks living Gary Indiana will be affected by the sleeping giant.Our childrens children will, in all likely hood, be fluent in Mandarin.
 

davekc

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Tallcal wrote
)Socialism is dead in China.Dead and buried.
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Ummmmmmmmmm??? It has only been three days since China set all kinds of government restrictions on Google.
Any information that wasn't government approved with regards to human rights was omitted.

Again.......some only hear what they want. Very little to not understand. It has only been a couple of days since this has been out. Not much to spin.....it is what it is.
Socialism dead? Not hardly




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LDB

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Gun control has no place other than as Constitutionally guaranteed. Our problems are not caused by an inanimate object but by societal influences as well as an unwillingness to punish those who deserve to be punished. The liberals who have already been correctly identified as belonging to all parties are to blame.

They totally misrepresent the separation of church and state and take away any mention of right and wrong. They take away responsibility and expectations and achievement and substitute social promotion and concern for feelings above results. It's going so far as prohibiting grading with red ink because that might hurt the little darlings feelings. There is no discipline in school any more. There is too little discipline in society in general.

You don't punish or deprive the good people because of actions of the bad. If that were the case we would take away vehicles from everyone but police and military because some are misused and abused and kill people. The answer certainly isn't in England where the ban on private gun ownership has increased the crime rate so significantly the London bobbies are being armed again to cope. The answer is in Morton Grove, Illinois and Kennesaw, Georgia.

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greg334

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I love this, I just figured out that a lot of people must not understand what a communist or socalist country is all about.

Sorry for being long winded, I am bored tonight.

tallcal101

1) As you said, gun ownership in Australia, Sweden, England, China and other civilized countries, private ownership of firearms is prohibited, leaving China out of the true civilized country group. But, and a BIG BUT.. China has a strong criminal justice system and executes many people for crimes that we consider petty, like fraud. I just love their drug rehabilitation programs, stand there against that wall so we can shoot you – works for me. England, don’t fool yourself, they has an almost higher assault rate per capita than we do and even though they don’t have guns available as we do, they still have armed robberies, murder and a great number of other gun related crimes. AND the English still find other ways to kill each other, stabbing and bludgeoning are common. The big thing in England has been teens going around and recording (video phone) other teens beating the c**p out of people to get their reaction, like blood running down an old ladies face, Ah yes Sweden, where crime is met with sentences in a communal prison, where families can live together and even drugs are provided. Australia, great country, nothing wrong there, pass me another Fosters mate.

As for states rights, there was a war in the 1860’s that determined what rights states have. My opinion has always been the wrong side won when it comes down to this issue. Fortunately I can not bring myself to believe in the libertarian philosophy because I yet to hear with it the responsibility for the freedoms they speak of. Too many idiots side with them and hence I lump them all in with the other political groups where the most outspoken people seem to be the idiots.

You know the pork you talk about gives you the power you use, the roads we drive on and every enjoyable benefit of a free society. It is the way our government works and for that matter, most other countries governments work the same way. To complain about it, well you have the right, but really learn what to complain about, pork – it is a talking point for the far left. OK I admit the system has its problems but really who is to blame? I say we all are. We have allowed ourselves to become complacent, to become lazy and not to care to understand issues that affect all of us. This is not the fault of the people we elect, it is our fault. Many disagree with me when I say do something about it, get involved – you have an issue, make a point about it and try to change it. Use you vote. I can preach a lot about this issue, but I will say this – if someone like Cindy Sheehan can be vocal about an issue, why can’t you? The biggest thing I hear from every trucking site is fuel or HOS - not important. You know what is a really an important point that you all should be worried about and getting involved to protect all of us; Eminent domain and how this will affect you and your rights. It starts with your house, next is your truck.


2) Tallcal101, I am wondering what planet are you from? Socialism dead in China, Come on. China is the last refuge for socialism, even though it does not look like it. They are experimenting with capitalism thanks to the return of Hong Kong and if they need to, they can stop the experiment like right now. The have a rather large army and even though you may think that this would not happen, there is nothing to stop them from deciding to send the army in to take all the property that is theirs to begin with and just kill anyone who opposes them, including world press members. Personal freedoms are an issue for many who live there and even though there maybe some more freedom on the surface, don’t think for a minute that China will allow this to change their culture to the point to cause political changes to occur. Many flee to have any freedoms, which in China it is given by the state and can and often is taken away by the state. As much as many want to paint a rosy picture of China, facts are facts and the leadership will not change overnight, too much Mao. I worked with many Chinese in the past, some freshly arrived and everyone has said they never wanted to live in that situation again and that is why they struggled getting here. I heard a lot of horror stories that would never ever happen here, so I count myself as lucky to be born here. A friend was in Russia for many years as a representative of a major American company and made many trips to China before retiring a few weeks ago. He talked about corruption and greed in Russia, which he said is the same in China. Something that we don’t come close to here. In order for him to do his job, he had to bribe people, first the party representative, then the general manager at the plant and finally the manager of the area he had to work in. He said when he was in China last year; he was faced with the same issue, but lacked the means to properly bribe the right people, but still got the job done. See in china it is about the culture and resepct, where in Russia it was about greed. Unless you worked the culture to show respect, you ain’t going to get a thing done. I think I will pass on China’s way of doing business.
 

tallcal101

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Greg,
I also have many Chinese friends here in Silicon Valley(the planet I live on,yes,the land where your computer came from)who have decided to LEAVE America and go home to China.Why you may ask?More opportunity!!!They are not renewing their visa'a.Not for money orlove.
They are leaving in droves Greg.For thoses of you concerned about personal freedom.don't look now,but W has decided to break the law and see what all of us stooges maybe doing in our spare time.War on terror/The Bush family and the Bin Laudins go way back.
Osama sits in his cave and chuggles as we spend all money looking for WMD's that never existed,fighting a war with no end,and allowing the real terrorts,the Saudi's to go on robbing us at the gas pump and teaching their children to hate us.
I guess the planet I live on looks significantly different then yours,yet we all pay taxes to support the same insanity.
 

tallcal101

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Dave,
I said in my comments that Human Rights has a long way to go in China.I have spent a great deal of time in China,both the"old" China and the new China.For those who wish to have satelite TV,they can get every channel we get with the exception of the Playboy channel and the rest of that bit(although porn dvd's are available on every corner for those who want it).But any state run papers orTV shows,including the news continue to be filtered.But compared to 12 years ago,it is night and day.
The Olympics are coming to Bejing in 08,as you know.China knows it's all on the line.The World will have a chance to decide if China is making real strides in all area's(including human rights)or if it is just the same old tune with lots of flags and banners.
I will tell you this.I spent 3 months traveling around China on a motorcycle with a sidecar,with my wife in the sidecar.We went to cities,the country side,the sea side(the south Chine sea coast looks like California)and never,not 1 time,was I ever in any danger,or questioned or treated with anything but respect.
I have taught English at Quanzi University to PHD studends getting ready to come to the US to work in the computer industry.I met their families,their children and their parents and grandparents.I was often treated with the respect,as a teacher,that teachers in this country can only dream of.
I don't know what this all means,but I resent being told,by people who have never been outside this country,what the reality is in other lands.
It just seems short sided to me.We all breath the same air,have struggled to find happiness,and should learn to find common ground.
I am going to sign off for a while,as all of this has nothing to with Expediting,and I need to keep my blood preasure down.
You are a bright guy Dave,I repect your opinion.
 

simon says

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"Socialism is Dead in China" Tallcal is right. In fact, socialism was stillborn with the 1949 revolution. Mao= Stalinism=peasant revolution= capitalism today. Look at what happened in Cambodia with the Khmer Rouge, and Vietnam, now bustling free enterprise. The West never understood Asian peasant-capitalist economy. The peasant always just wants his crops and to be left alone. Sometimes they can get real radical, that doesn't mean theyre socialist.
The former misnamed Socialist bosses became fatcat capitalists from Russia to China, but the Chinese were first... The bosses just held on to both power and the money there, without changing the name of the State. Police state regimes can call themselves anything they want. Bush can say he is preserving Democracy here and in Iraq. Where's the wheat and where is the chaff... Remember the book 1984? seems mild now.
By the way, when you post here or anywhere, a thread may be picked up by Google just based on a key word like Overnite. Just FYI
 

RichM

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Well,what was a tongue in cheek topic about moving to China has turned into a political dialogue on both sides so the time has come to lock it.This type of discussion belongs on the loading dock forum.
Perhaps EO need a Political foum.
 
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