I am thinking of buying a 2000 t-300 with a ISX cummins and wondered if anyone has any idea about how long these motors are good for and any issues to look for on this motor before i purchase truck, i am going to have a dyno done before i purchase so any help would be great
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It's a good engine. It's good for at least 11,823 miles. That's how many are on mine so far. Seriously though, with an oil analysis and dyno test you should be in good shape. I see no reason one won't give a couple million miles of good service provided proper maintanence is done. Good luck.
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Budman, If you are indeed talking about a T-300, I think you are talking about the Cummins ISC engine. The ISX is a larger block engine that is used in class 8 trucks. We have a T-300 with the 315hp. ISC with about 300,000 miles and are very happy with it.
The most common weak spot isn't with the engine, but rather the fuel pump. Clean fuel is vital! There are some Cummins recomended spec's for fuel filter replacment. Talk to a good Cummins shop to get the lowdown. Not all shops with a Cummins sign out front khow much about the ISC.
Mike
The most common weak spot isn't with the engine, but rather the fuel pump. Clean fuel is vital! There are some Cummins recomended spec's for fuel filter replacment. Talk to a good Cummins shop to get the lowdown. Not all shops with a Cummins sign out front khow much about the ISC.
Mike
I have a ISB 5.9 with 760,000 miles only 2 problems fuel pump and isolators. Make sure isolators stay in excellent condition or you will be replacing fuel lines. I ordered a complete set after 3 lines broke at different times. Didn't cost as much as 1 line and have had no problem, easy to install. Freightliner was replacing lines without reinstalling isolators, which was causing the problems. I believe that is a wet sleeve engine and can be rebuilt at Cummins for $5400 counting labor and that includes a new turbo. The main engine I have had problems with is the Cat 3126. I have had 2 installed and the truck is a 1999. 2 in 6 years.
well iknow what your saying about the cat motors, i have 2000 fl-80 with 3126 and have 410000 and i am getting scared the kw t-300 with the cummins is the same year as my fl and is 10 times the truck, more power and alot tighter of a truck so i am going to get the oil checked at speedco before i buy and have ft wayne cummins dyno the motor i talked to the guy i am getting from and he said he would pay for both before i get truck thanks for info
If it has over 300,000 miles on it, and no fuel pump problems to this date, you will probably be fine. Check history if you can. The replacement fuel pump may have fixed the problem, if it comes to that. The CAPP pump was garbage (from Cummins mechanics), but you may be o.k. This used to be the expeditor engine of choice; I bet you are looking at a J.Jones spec'd truck.
My new ISC has had a Bosch injector replaced under warranty, but I hardly noticed a problem, except at clutch engagement (knocking). The new Bosch common rail fuel system seems fine- and engine now has roller-cam followers, like most larger engines...
My new ISC has had a Bosch injector replaced under warranty, but I hardly noticed a problem, except at clutch engagement (knocking). The new Bosch common rail fuel system seems fine- and engine now has roller-cam followers, like most larger engines...
Hi well i drove a cummings for a short time and i can say i liked its power and how smooth it ideled.I drove a cat and i hated the power it seemed forever to pickup speed but once it did it would stay there at that speed no matter what.I also drove a volvo for a few weeks with a volve motor an i think them an the detroit's are awesome motors...Cat engine i have found just has to many fuel pump and fuel Injector problems for me...But them will run like a bat out of H*ll lol if you can ever get them up to speed...
barbaba704
Expert Expediter
We bought a 2003 T-300 with a Cummins ISC engine new from J. Jones in Fort Wayne. We now have over 414,000 miles with few problems after enjoying the same fuel pump problems that other have mentioned here. The KW dealer in Charlotte couldn't find the problem and we finally took it to the Cummins dealer and they said that a valve in the fuel pump was bad, but when they tore it down there was metal flakes in it and so we ended up replacing the whole pump. The mechanic said that the early pumps had some brass parts in it that wore prematurely (duh!) and that the newer pumps and rebuilt ones now have all steel. That happened about 40,000 mile after the 200,000 mile warranty, but the dealer knocked $1,500 off the bill because he agreed that a fuel pump should last longer than that.
No other problems with it since then, other than the fan hub. Just had to have the second one rebuilt. Have had some minor oil leaks, mainly around the front of pan. Tightened up the bolts and that cured most of it.
Good luck on your truck.
No other problems with it since then, other than the fan hub. Just had to have the second one rebuilt. Have had some minor oil leaks, mainly around the front of pan. Tightened up the bolts and that cured most of it.
Good luck on your truck.
Please read the following complaint letter just in case you want to stray from Cummins to something else. Also, this Web site is very good on letting you know about certain recalls: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/results.cfm
M.L. Atwell Trucking
Mary Linda Atwell
XXXX XXXXXXXX Avenue
XXXXXXXX, MO 63109
(314)-609-3101
March 8, 2006
Customer Service Engineer (CSE)
Senior Administrator
International Corporation
4201 Winfield Road
P.O. Box 1488
Warrenville, IL 60555
(630)-753-5000
Dear Customer Service Engineer:
On February 28, 2006, I had my 2004 International 4400 (Vin # 1HTMKAAN24H592264) towed to Westrux International, located in Santa Fe Springs, CA, to be repaired. The vehicle had water coming out of the blow by tube (crankcase ventilation). This was noticed after driving the vehicle a mile down the road after stopping for a coffee. I immediately stopped the engine and called a tow truck. After a diagnosis to what was wrong with my truck, I was told that I would get help from International Corporation because of a premature O-ring failure on cylinder number 4. My truck has never overheated nor has ever been under maximum load capacity. In fact, my truck is registered for 26,000 pounds even though the manufacturer says that it can handle up to 33,000 pounds. I have a very clean truck, and I have taken extreme care of this vehicle. Westrux deemed it necessary to overhaul my engine despite my engine only has 219, 987 on it. This was because when the O-ring failed it emptied my radiator’s antifreeze fluid into the crankcase. This O-ring failure was not due to misuse of equipment because of overheating, cryogenics, chemical degradation, cavitations, etc. The head mechanic, Hector, assured me that he was convinced that this was a manufacturer defect. I feel very strongly that I should not have been out of any money seeing that I bought this truck brand new, and I had no control over manufacturing this engine. I understand that Quality Control has done numerous tests on different types of O-rings under different conditions because of the 2004 Federal Emissions Requirements and the need to be in compliance with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. I also know that International understands that it needs to act not only socially responsible for the products that it creates, but also ethically and timely when a complaint is made. I made this purchase at Alumibunk in Woodhaven, MI in February of 2004. The truck when purchased displayed only 11 miles, but had over 2000 hours of operation registered on the display. When questioned on whether this engine was used for government testing or International testing we were told that this was a brand new engine and it had never been tested just ran on a Dyno.
Unfortunately, your product has not performed well because this engine should have never failed this soon. Also, I feel that when International recalled my truck because of a software issue that the warranty should have restarted or I should have been extended an additional warranty because running the wrong software on this engine could have precipitated or caused the problem at hand. When the service department flashed my ECM with the correct software version, my mileage on my truck nearly doubled which means that when I purchased the vehicle it did not have 11 miles on it as well as the vehicle’s price was inflated because of inaccurate odometer reading. This was unethical and if I would have known, the engine had more miles on it than what was displayed I might have not purchased this vehicle. The fact that your technicians uploaded the wrong software version when I purchased this vehicle should be enough to hold International accountable. Running the wrong software for this engine could have done more damage than just an O-ring. The engine was not operating under the specs designed by the engineers. The software operates many facets of the engine’s operation, any of which could have contributed to the problem for which I am requesting retribution.
Therefore, to resolve the problem, I would appreciate your reimbursement for all associated costs. This includes the following: tow bill, hotel stays, car rental, labor cost, and lost time. I will send copies (copies, not originals) of my records (receipts, warranties, cancelled checks, contracts, model and serial numbers, and any other documents) upon request.
I look forward to your reply and a resolution to my problem. I will wait 48 hours before seeking third-party assistance. Please contact me at the above address or by phone. If I do not get a satisfactory resolution I will have no other recourse but to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), my state’s attorney general, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, etc. I feel I have given International Corporation every opportunity to make this situation right, but at this point I am getting annoyed by the shuffling of responsibility. I hope that you will work with me on this matter. International advertises that the DT466 engine is reliable, durable, low downtime, and minimal maintenance. I have not had the opportunity to enjoy any of these advantages. I, as a dissatisfied customer, was mislead not only by the research that I did prior to the purchase of the vehicle, but also by the false odometer reading. Altering the odometer is covered under Article 49 U.S.C. 32710 despite the fact that commercial dealers are allowed to stamp exempt on the title because the vehicle is over 16,000 pounds. When the vehicle’s mileage is altered by the manufacturer this voids the original contract. The customer has a right to know the actual mileage at the time of purchase not a year later when there is a recall and possibly damage done to the engine because of negligence on behalf of the manufacturer.
Sincerely,
Mary Atwell
President, M.L. Atwell Trucking
(314)-609-3101
M.L. Atwell Trucking
Mary Linda Atwell
XXXX XXXXXXXX Avenue
XXXXXXXX, MO 63109
(314)-609-3101
March 8, 2006
Customer Service Engineer (CSE)
Senior Administrator
International Corporation
4201 Winfield Road
P.O. Box 1488
Warrenville, IL 60555
(630)-753-5000
Dear Customer Service Engineer:
On February 28, 2006, I had my 2004 International 4400 (Vin # 1HTMKAAN24H592264) towed to Westrux International, located in Santa Fe Springs, CA, to be repaired. The vehicle had water coming out of the blow by tube (crankcase ventilation). This was noticed after driving the vehicle a mile down the road after stopping for a coffee. I immediately stopped the engine and called a tow truck. After a diagnosis to what was wrong with my truck, I was told that I would get help from International Corporation because of a premature O-ring failure on cylinder number 4. My truck has never overheated nor has ever been under maximum load capacity. In fact, my truck is registered for 26,000 pounds even though the manufacturer says that it can handle up to 33,000 pounds. I have a very clean truck, and I have taken extreme care of this vehicle. Westrux deemed it necessary to overhaul my engine despite my engine only has 219, 987 on it. This was because when the O-ring failed it emptied my radiator’s antifreeze fluid into the crankcase. This O-ring failure was not due to misuse of equipment because of overheating, cryogenics, chemical degradation, cavitations, etc. The head mechanic, Hector, assured me that he was convinced that this was a manufacturer defect. I feel very strongly that I should not have been out of any money seeing that I bought this truck brand new, and I had no control over manufacturing this engine. I understand that Quality Control has done numerous tests on different types of O-rings under different conditions because of the 2004 Federal Emissions Requirements and the need to be in compliance with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. I also know that International understands that it needs to act not only socially responsible for the products that it creates, but also ethically and timely when a complaint is made. I made this purchase at Alumibunk in Woodhaven, MI in February of 2004. The truck when purchased displayed only 11 miles, but had over 2000 hours of operation registered on the display. When questioned on whether this engine was used for government testing or International testing we were told that this was a brand new engine and it had never been tested just ran on a Dyno.
Unfortunately, your product has not performed well because this engine should have never failed this soon. Also, I feel that when International recalled my truck because of a software issue that the warranty should have restarted or I should have been extended an additional warranty because running the wrong software on this engine could have precipitated or caused the problem at hand. When the service department flashed my ECM with the correct software version, my mileage on my truck nearly doubled which means that when I purchased the vehicle it did not have 11 miles on it as well as the vehicle’s price was inflated because of inaccurate odometer reading. This was unethical and if I would have known, the engine had more miles on it than what was displayed I might have not purchased this vehicle. The fact that your technicians uploaded the wrong software version when I purchased this vehicle should be enough to hold International accountable. Running the wrong software for this engine could have done more damage than just an O-ring. The engine was not operating under the specs designed by the engineers. The software operates many facets of the engine’s operation, any of which could have contributed to the problem for which I am requesting retribution.
Therefore, to resolve the problem, I would appreciate your reimbursement for all associated costs. This includes the following: tow bill, hotel stays, car rental, labor cost, and lost time. I will send copies (copies, not originals) of my records (receipts, warranties, cancelled checks, contracts, model and serial numbers, and any other documents) upon request.
I look forward to your reply and a resolution to my problem. I will wait 48 hours before seeking third-party assistance. Please contact me at the above address or by phone. If I do not get a satisfactory resolution I will have no other recourse but to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), my state’s attorney general, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, etc. I feel I have given International Corporation every opportunity to make this situation right, but at this point I am getting annoyed by the shuffling of responsibility. I hope that you will work with me on this matter. International advertises that the DT466 engine is reliable, durable, low downtime, and minimal maintenance. I have not had the opportunity to enjoy any of these advantages. I, as a dissatisfied customer, was mislead not only by the research that I did prior to the purchase of the vehicle, but also by the false odometer reading. Altering the odometer is covered under Article 49 U.S.C. 32710 despite the fact that commercial dealers are allowed to stamp exempt on the title because the vehicle is over 16,000 pounds. When the vehicle’s mileage is altered by the manufacturer this voids the original contract. The customer has a right to know the actual mileage at the time of purchase not a year later when there is a recall and possibly damage done to the engine because of negligence on behalf of the manufacturer.
Sincerely,
Mary Atwell
President, M.L. Atwell Trucking
(314)-609-3101
Leo,
Not to be mean, but you should practice what you put out in the forum. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Also, noone tells you not to flood forums with your opinions why do you feel it necessary to send me messages telling me to move on. The public has the right to know about shady dealings. Noone tells you to shut your yap. Freedom of speech, I suppose. No hard feelings.
Not to be mean, but you should practice what you put out in the forum. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Also, noone tells you not to flood forums with your opinions why do you feel it necessary to send me messages telling me to move on. The public has the right to know about shady dealings. Noone tells you to shut your yap. Freedom of speech, I suppose. No hard feelings.
creekindian33
Expert Expediter
is this a new engin if not its all abought if the last owner kept it up if its new some people like them some dont the opiones u get r going to be good an bad i think if u keep them maintenence up on any engine ull do fine i have a new cat engine in one of my trucks that blew early cause last owner did not keep up i have a cummings in a nother truck has well over 2 million miles its a 98 it has a rod knocking uses a little oil but yet it has more pull an power then my new cat but i keep oil changed every ten thousand miles an us lukes every time on both engines that rod has been knocking now for over two years matinence is the key for whatever engine u by