More Republican election fraud

Tennesseahawk

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Of course there's no news about it. The power people in the news are elitists, just like the Republicans and Democrats.
 

RLENT

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Oh yeah .... and it just gets better.

The corrupt GOP politician at the center of what is detailed below - Randy Reudrich - attempted to thwart Sarah Palin's effort to expose and and clean up corruption in Alaska. He was the subject of a 16-page ethics complaint, and "agreed to pay the highest civil fine in Alaska history":

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign condemned today the efforts of the Alaska Republican Party and its chairman Randy Reudrich to disenfranchise Paul and other non-Romney delegates to the party’s upcoming state convention. In doing so, the Paul campaign also announced that it will utilize all legal tools at its disposal to prevent or reverse the state party’s illegal efforts to omit non-Romney delegates to the convention.

The state party-initiated conflict in this regard is especially worrisome and politically sensitive as the Paul campaign believes it won a significant portion of delegates at the Alaska State House district conventions already held. The Paul camp anticipates that its delegate tally at the upcoming state convention will increase as supporters of former candidate Rick Santorum – including fellow prolife supporters – defect to the Paul camp or become non-Romney delegates to the Republican National Convention to be held late August in Tampa, Florida. In light of this, the issue has national party and political implications because it affects the conversation that will occur in Tampa over whether constitutionally-limited government and an authentic commitment to the sanctity of life will prevail over the status quo.

The Alaska Republican Party state convention is set to be held from April 26[SUP]th[/SUP]-28[SUP]th[/SUP], and all previous communications to would-be delegates have stated that a delegate fee of $250 would be accepted up until the convention registration deadline, which is 2:00 p.m. Alaska Time on April 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. However, on Monday the 16[SUP]th[/SUP]state party chairman Randy Reudrich called a state committee meeting at which he stated that delegate fees would be accepted no later than 48 hours from the time of the meeting, which would be Wednesday, April 18[SUP]th[/SUP]. However, on Tuesday the state party said that delegate fees had to be paid by 6:00 p.m that evening. As individual delegates and campaigns scrambled to pay delegate fees, the state party erected bizarre and allegedly extra-legal obstacles in front of Paul, prolife, and other non-Romney delegates, and communications between self-identifying non-Romney delegates and state party personnel degraded.

One example of the state party trying to frustrate Paul delegates was in exactly when and how delegates could remit their $250 fee. Acceptable methods of payment ranged from online credit card payment on the state party website – although the link to such had been inexplicably removed – to personal checks that were later said to be unacceptable, to money orders that in at least one case were termed unacceptable and returned. The state party, the Ron Paul campaign argues, capriciously moved its payment deadline and modified its acceptable ways of paying the $250 delegate fee expressly to frustrate Paul delegates and in general any delegates outside the tight circle of party-sanctioned non-Romney delegates.

The Alaska GOP also wrongly stated that individual Paul, prolife, or non-Romney supporters were prohibited from sponsoring the $250 delegate fees for surrogate delegates, disbursements used to cover airfare, accommodations, and the like in as large a state as Alaska. In the example, the party told a grassroots Ron Paul supporter that he could not sponsor four surrogate delegates for an amount totaling $1,000 without a waiver yet the party subsequently refused to make the waiver form available for examination or use ostensibly to burn the clock.

The Ron Paul campaign, in its letter, informed the state party organization and its chair that prohibiting sponsorship of delegates has no legal or factual basis.

“Saying ‘Your money’s no good here’ is an affront to the many Ron Paul and other prolife supporters who labor to support the candidate of their choice and build the Republican Party,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Manager John Tate.

“Moving the goal post, setting up hoops for delegates to jump through, establishing arbitrary deadlines, and sending conflicting messages to frustrate Paul supporters is wrong and will fail. Instead, Ron Paul supporters and other prolife supporters will be further energized, and this invented conflict will have the added benefit of shaming the Alaska Republican Party establishment, which obviously is in the tank for Massachusetts moderate Mitt Romney,” added Mr. Tate.

To read the Paul campaign letter to Alaska Republican Party Chairman Randy Reudrich outlining the campaign’s legal stance on the matter, please click here.

Yeah .... like I'm gonna vote for a party that espouses this kinda crap ..... the GOP is sealing Mitt's, its, and the nation's doom ....
 

davekc

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I don't know why you would take this as gospel as the article is from a Ron Paul activist. No indication that any of it is true. If so, you would think the democrats or at least Ron Paul himself would be out there talking about it. Not a word that I have heard.
I don't visit his site but I would think Paul would have pages on his website about it.
This may be closer to reality than a grand conspiracy.
LIVE: Wyoming Caucus Results, Mitt Romney Beats Ron Paul And Rick Santorum

Several other sources all basically saying the same thing.
 

RLENT

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I don't know why you would take this as gospel as the article is from a Ron Paul activist.
The above from a guy who watches "The Five" and Bill O'Reilly ..... and thinks they do "good stuff" ....

No indication that any of it is true.
Didja watch the video Dave ?

She made a point to go to the mic at the podium at the Wyoming Republican State Convention to make the accusation of what she personally observed (as to where the fraudulent votes came from .... and ended up later being personally thanked by Santorum supporters for having the 'nards to do so ....

The response to that from the PTB ?

.... utter deafening silence ....

If so, you would think the democrats or at least Ron Paul himself would be out there talking about it. Not a word that I have heard.
Yeah, well clearly: if the MSM didn't report it .... it therefore must never have happened .... :rolleyes:

I don't visit his site but I would think Paul would have pages on his website about it.
Dave,

You "think" a lot of things .... :rolleyes:

This may be closer to reality than a grand conspiracy.

Several other sources all basically saying the same thing.
So .... the more sources that report something that then makes it "truer" ?

That you even would link an article from a month ago referencing a "win" in a non-binding straw poll "beauty contest" in relation to an event that occurred a few days ago would seem to indicate you have a very limited understanding - if any - as to how the long, involved process of delegate selection actually works (to say nothing of what it says about "critical thinking" skills, or lack thereof) .... and are still suffering under the delusion that we live in a direct democracy .... rather than a representative republic, as is actually the case (at least to some extent still) ....

Keep it coming though .... makes for real good entertainment ....
 
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AMonger

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I don't know why you would take this as gospel as the article is from a Ron Paul activist. No indication that any of it is true. If so, you would think the democrats or at least Ron Paul himself would be out there talking about it. Not a word that I have heard.
I don't visit his site but I would think Paul would have pages on his website about it.
This may be closer to reality than a grand conspiracy.
LIVE: Wyoming Caucus Results, Mitt Romney Beats Ron Paul And Rick Santorum

Several other sources all basically saying the same thing.

I don't take it as gospel, but as the testimony of someone who was present, and as something that fits with the GOPs past actions and their desires.

If Joe the Plumber says Obama told him he wants to redistribute the wealth, I figure 1) Joe was there and I wasn't, 2) it fits with what we know of Obama through his own words and actions. So it falls somewhere between could easily be true and is probably true.

Being that Ron Paul will upset the establishment apple cart, and the establishment doesn't want to lose the good thing they have going, it's a lot closer to "is probably true."

Ron Paul can't come out and say it, himself. He can't be a guy sniping from the bushes. He has to let others fight this fight.
 

davekc

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Watching something is much different than whether one believes it or not. You should know that better than anyone. No silence needed. When I see Ron Paul himself address it rather than an activist, then it might be worth looking at.
The article is a month old because that is when they had their vote. :rolleyes:
I thought that would have been obvious.
Too many conspiracy theories with no facts.
 

davekc

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I don't take it as gospel, but as the testimony of someone who was present, and as something that fits with the GOPs past actions and their desires.

If Joe the Plumber says Obama told him he wants to redistribute the wealth, I figure 1) Joe was there and I wasn't, 2) it fits with what we know of Obama through his own words and actions. So it falls somewhere between could easily be true and is probably true.

Being that Ron Paul will upset the establishment apple cart, and the establishment doesn't want to lose the good thing they have going, it's a lot closer to "is probably true."

Ron Paul can't come out and say it, himself. He can't be a guy sniping from the bushes. He has to let others fight this fight.

As for the Joe the Plumber episodes, Obama acknowledges the comments. Paul doesn't indicate anything.
As for the "establishment", I thought he was totally against the "establishment" as posted here by a few. Maybe not? If he is in the "establishment" then would he not be like Romney?
 

AMonger

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As for the Joe the Plumber episodes, Obama acknowledges the comments. Paul doesn't indicate anything.
As for the "establishment", I thought he was totally against the "establishment" as posted here by a few. Maybe not? If he is in the "establishment" then would he not be like Romney?

I think you're confused. Where in this piece did you get anything about Ron Paul being an establishmentarian?
 

RLENT

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When I see Ron Paul himself address it rather than an activist, then it might be worth looking at.
Yeah, well have a look at the piece I posted re: Alaska ....

That's quoted straight from the campaign's website ....

The article is a month old because that is when they had their vote. I thought that would have been obvious.
What's obvious is the article you linked has absolutely nothing to do with conduct at an event which occurred a month later ....

I would have thought that that would have been obvious ....

If that isn't obvious to you, then perhaps you can explain to us (.... like we wuz childs ....) what the former has to do with the latter.

I'll even give ya extra bonus points - if you can manage to do it without strawmen, red herrings, or other forms of logical fallacy ....
 
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davekc

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If Ron Paul doesn't care about the establishment, then he would say something. Shouldn't need an activist to talk for him unless there aren't enough facts.
Article is just the results. Any of the other stuff with conduct or made up conspiracies doesn't matter at this point. Paul is done anyway.
Now back to some cheap entertainment. "The Five" is on. ;)

On a another note, I am responding to the Wyoming article. The Alaska corruption is almost a seperate topic itself.
 
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RLENT

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If Ron Paul doesn't care about the establishment, then he would say something.
At present, Dr. Paul is working within the two party system .... in light of that, I'm sure that what he says is tempered by that very fact ....

Should that change however, I'd suspect he might become a bit more vocal and even more blunt ....

No doubt, the ensuing ****storm that would follow would be hilarious to watch ....

Shouldn't need an activist to talk for him unless there aren't enough facts.
I think the "activist" was speaking for herself ....

Article is just the results.
The article you cited has, as I have stated before: .... nothing whatsoever to do with conduct that occurred a month later ....

It was certainly a hoot that you posted it .... as though it did ....

Any of the other stuff with conduct or made up conspiracies doesn't matter at this point.
..... conduct doesn't matter ?

Clearly, it doesn't .... to some ....

I guess, based on your comments, I would include you in that camp ....

Paul is done anyway.
ROTFLMAO ....

No, actually what is "done" is the GOP (in it's present form) ....

In addition, to the demographic dilemma they face, the actions they permit to be committed in their name, when exposed, pretty much assures that even the older crowd that composes the majority of the party will dwindle further .... even faster than the normal death rate provides for ....

Good riddance to corruption .... and those that defend and excuse it ....

Now back to some cheap entertainment. "The Five" is on.
Nah .... that ain't entertainment - it's more like indulging one's own masochistic desires and fantasies ....

Well .... on second thought .... whatever floats your boat ....

On a another note, I am responding to the Wyoming article. The Alaska corruption is almost a seperate topic itself.
Would you prefer that I post it in a separate thread ?

.... not that I would suspect that you would actually address it on the substance ....
 
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davekc

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At this point Paul hasn't won anything. I would think this is the time he would be saying something. Nothing really to lose that I can see unless he is wanting a position in the Romney camp.
As to the Republican party changing, I think it is. Age, demographics, and a larger segment of the population wanting free stuff makes it a uphill climb.

With regards to "The Five" I never really looked at it as educational porn. Maybe I will have to start watching closer.;)

As for corrupt conduct, it does matter, but one has to prove it. In this case, if the proof was there it should be addressed by Paul and it hasn't been. Maybe forthcoming? I would wonder why he stays in the Republican party. It is entertaining watching some of you consistently trash the very party your guy is part of. Just laughable actually.
 

Pilgrim

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This is just part of the Ron Paul campaign flaming out. They released a statement about the Romney Alaska delegates being the only ones allowed to pay their registration fees, but this hasn't been corroborated by any other source. Plus, the Gingrich and Santorum campaigns haven't released similar statements and they've got more to complain about. We have to give credit for this insignificant minority and the obstreperous conduct they use to call attention to themselves, especially on the web.

Actually Paul is a Libertarian, and he only uses the GOP as a vehicle for his own personal gains. He's shown no loyalty to this party and it should come as no surprise when they return the favor. Most of them are probably thinking "good riddance", and justifiably so.
 

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This is just part of the Ron Paul campaign flaming out. They released a statement about the Romney Alaska delegates being the only ones allowed to pay their registration fees, but this hasn't been corroborated by any other source. Plus, the Gingrich and Santorum campaigns haven't released similar statements and they've got more to complain about. We have to give credit for this insignificant minority and the obstreperous conduct they use to call attention to themselves, especially on the web.

Actually Paul is a Libertarian, and he only uses the GOP as a vehicle for his own personal gains. He's shown no loyalty to this party and it should come as no surprise when they return the favor. Most of them are probably thinking "good riddance", and justifiably so.

I don't think there is any doubt what he does now is just for personal gain. Even read somewhere he had a "money bomb" last week. Absolutely hilarious at this point but he get some to fall for it. I think that is why you have a revolving door on all the conspiracy theories in order to keep the cash flow going. No other reason since he hasn't won anything or is even remotely close. I could see Santorum trying it only because he actually won some states and even he sees the outcome.
Its the same reason you see that select few constantly bash Fox News yet they gave Paul more airtime than any other major network. Same thing with the Republican party as mentioned. Trash it yet their guy is a part of it.
They probably are going to have to start watching O'Reilly for therapy.:p
This article shares your thinking from another post.
http://communities.washingtontimes....6/why-ron-paul-rallies-never-translate-votes/
 
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chefdennis

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i have said it on here enough that most everyone should know that I support RP and have before this election cycle.....That being said, I don't agree will most of this bs conspiracy stuff at all..BUT..one thing that most of those that dont support him or think that he is a flake are missing is that , while the chance of RP winning are slim to none, its not about him winning now. This is like the Tea Party ...it has become a movement that he has started..they know he wont win, but they support his ideals and want to change how government does things..i believe, as stupid as it sounds, that is one of the reasons that all those people that show up to his rallys dont turn out to vote....they know he wont win, but they will continue to support the ideals and work for change on local, state and county levels until they have the candiates to run for higher office...You will see RP's ideals in all elections from here on out....

Now all of that being said, it is still my belief that even if it is the WH janitor that runs against barry, barry needs to go...
 
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davekc

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As I said before, I as well think he has some good ideas. But, that is much different than whether he is a electable candidate. At this point, not even close.
But it sounds like you see the much bigger picture and don't fall for all the other foolishness.
In the same camp. "anyone but Obama". Worry about the rest of it after that.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Not saying anything about the conspiracy, I would like to add something here...

It is in the best interest of the Democrats, Republicans, War Mongers, Federal Reserve, Big Enterprise, and every elitist in the country, if not the world (Israel for one), that Ron Paul not get nominated. Having said that, I would not put it past these entities to make sure that doesn't happen. And expecting the MSM to uncover any such attempt would be akin to a ***** ratting out her sugar daddy. Ron Paul will not win the nomination, regardless of how many votes/delegates/counties he gets. It's simple math. With Ron Paul, the power immediately goes back to the states and the people. It will not happen.
 

aristotle

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Agreed, Obama must go.

Ron Paul is more annoying than a restaurant full of flies. He would take credit for sunrise and sunset. Many of his followers seem to believe Ron Paul sculpted the Statue of Liberty.... had hand stitched the first rendition of Old Glory himself... dipped his feather as a quill to personally write the Declaration of Independence...witnessed a notary public validate the Magna Carta...and publicly foretold the coming of Jesus Christ.

Consider the likelihood Ron Paul is a second-rate sloganeering pimp.
 
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